worried that I am the ONLY one to address this issue with classic servers.

[Relapses]

Time to bookmark that guy and his sig. Like I keep this handy:

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...2#post29402702

Another awesome prophet, even with a nice graph to back up his predictions.

lmfao! Thanks for that.

[Mosotti]

If they got 2 million people back to try Vanilla and kept them for just 2 months assuming they keep the current Sub price for it, that is straight up $60million Dollars gross revenue. I think even after figuring out the gross profit they would still be sitting on quite a large sum. Anything after that would just be easy money.

I don't expect WoW Classic to have even 100k paying customers. Of course we will never now, I assume they will have a common subscription, that would be the best way to lure people to the new WoW. Most people quit vanilla before level 40, this is not 2004, this is not the only game on the market, not to mention other kinds of entertainment, like youtube, facebook, netflix etc.

Vanilla isn't even the most loved expansion from the old WoW, that would be WotLK, followed by TBC. Any of those version would have more success than WoW classic.

[Powerogue]

As far as the population issue I would not be surprised if cross-realm integration is enabled but I would expect that only after the playerbase comes begging back to Blizzard to implement it after being forced to deal with 90/10% realm populations on PvP servers and hours long waits for 5 man dungeons in trade chat.

As for newcomers they'll have all the elitists there to tell them how much they suck and exactly what they're doing wrong and how the community was so much more competent back when vanilla originally released.

Non-stop.

Every damn pull.

[Scottyjscizzle]

We'll see when it launches, personally I have no interest to go back to that and don't know any friends who are really that hyped since most don't have time to play anymore.

[Count Zero]

We do know that, because Classic isn't a new game. It's "as close to vanilla as possible" which means no extra content.

I meant as in moving on to BC and Wrath.

[Doctor Funkenstein]

The multiple 10s of thousands if not more people who play on private servers and would gladly pay for quality vanilla by blizzard whole heartedly disagree.

No they wouldn't. Most of those "multiple 10s of thousands if not more" people were only there because they got busted for botting or some other reason that got them banned, and/or because mommy wouldn't let them use her credit card anymore. No matter how much they -- and yourself -- try to delude themselves to the contrary.

[Sorcath]

Classic is being made solely because I desired it!

There's no possible way there's thousamds of other people who actively play on private servers with great regularity to the point where Blizzard wanted to get their money back from an IP they own!

Thats why we need former retail levels of easy gameplay and leveling!.

Well bub, let me introduce you to the magic that is reality, wherein every statement you said was wrong. Oh what a joyous place, where even retail WoW hates how casual it became and dialed back the easy button a couple of pegs.

Dont worry, you really dont have to play. It wont impact the server, just like the other handful of people who want E-Z Bake WoW

[Notshauna]

No they wouldn't. Most of those "multiple 10s of thousands if not more" people were only there because they got busted for botting or some other reason that got them banned, and/or because mommy wouldn't let them use her credit card anymore. No matter how much they -- and yourself -- try to delude themselves to the contrary.

What that argument fails to support is the fact that there are people who are actively paying to support those private servers ALREADY. People are donating for private servers, they'll definitely pay a subscription fee. Now I'd be stupid to pretend that 100% of the player base will migrate (though the majority of vanilla servers will probably shut down) but, actual statistics suggest that people in general want to pay for the things they like and care about, not that people are leeches despite what alarmists say.

[Kokolums]

That's why Classic will be a niche title for a niche audience. The vast majority will continue playing current WoW.

I'm pretty sure the classic playerbase will be bigger than BfA

[chrisnumbers]

People say this every single day.

[Skaiz]

I know i'll enjoy it. Sure back then I had more time but the time sink isn't what made the game fun. I look forward to just getting out there and killing some monsters. Finding myself in shitty situations and working through it. Finding a crappy green shoulders and loosing my mind in excitement and getting a taste of raiding. None of these things require a no-lifer schedule. You're argument isn't very sound at all. Hell even when current wow revamped the lvling I got some serious vibes from the past. Felt good man and want more.

[Soon-TM]

Lots of assumptions in the OP, and most of them wrong, as it usually happens in those cases. I have more free time now, with a full time job and a home of my own, than when I was at high school/college, when I had to study like there was no tomorrow and I had to scrounge a few hours here and there to grind mats in order to raid (very casually in Vanilla).

[shaunika123]

was it REALLY more time demanding than legion though? i mean really?
think about it.

aside from leveling, which doesnt count because it was actualy content back then the rest is not more time demanding just differently time demanding.

yeah you had to farm a lot of consumables for raid, but now you have to farm a lot of AP.

yeah, it took more time to make groups for dungeons, but when you outgeared it you didnt have to go back for AP/legendary chances anymore, same with raids. and if you had a guild it wasnt a problem, so really it just encouraged being social.

so yeah, each individual part of content took more time to do, but the difference is that you didnt have to do ALL OF THEM ALL THE TIME EVERY DAY. just the ones that were actually relevant.


the only exception to this is ofc the pvp grind, which I'll grant you, but it's not like many people were doing it back then. it was the lifeless elite then, and it'll be the lifeless elite now.

[shifu]

Vanilla was the most time demanding era in WoW by a long shot. whether it was levelling or gearing or raiding.

people who played vanilla are older now and unless something has gone wrong with their ambitions/achievements in life, they will not have the time to put into classic wow what is needed to be able to actually enjoy some success with it.


newer players have enjoyed important quality of life changes with the game and their class. they have never known WoW without these.

heres a simpler example so users on the forum can follow

assume someone has never played video games on any console. Give them a ps4 to play with and then swap it with a ps1. they will not have a good time because there is a distinct difference in quality across all aspects.


Classic servers will struggle because the newer players(which is the VAST MAJORITY) do not share the 'nostalgia' effect and will not enjoy a clunkier, more tedious, less involved WoW then they have been used to the past few xpacs.

the players who want classic servers mainly because they think it gives them some higher status than others or because of 'nostalgia' are not enough to regard classic servers as successful and therefore will not last long after release.

Sorry.

Every couple of weeks someone comes in here peddling this line of thinking. Now I don't speak for everyone. However I do speak for myself. I was 14 when I first started playing WoW now I'm 27. I have no ambitions of ever having children or getting married. I own my own business and I own my own house. Actually right now in my life i have more time to give to WoW then when I was a child first getting into WoW. But yeah go ahead and speak for all of us. Because if we have time to invest into a video game in this stage in our life, clearly it means "something has gone wrong with their ambitions/achievements". And has nothing to do with achieving those goals and ambitions at a younger age then you.

Plus Blizzard has said it themselves they don't care if there are 1,000,000 or 1 player on the classic realm. They just want to preserve the history of the game. And allow others to experience vanilla if they choose.

I just want vanilla servers because i don't like retail. And the thought of investing time into a private server just for one day my progress to disappear is unsightly.

I've never understood this line of thinking. If people really want to play vanilla no matter what their personal situation. They will find a way to accommodate the time sink.

Edit:

People make it sound like Legion is not a time sink as well. Sure it's not as bad as Vanilla. But some would argue there is actually more to do in Legion then Vanilla. You're projecting OP.

[Battlebeard]

Vanilla was the most time demanding era in WoW by a long shot. whether it was levelling or gearing or raiding.

people who played vanilla are older now and unless something has gone wrong with their ambitions/achievements in life, they will not have the time to put into classic wow what is needed to be able to actually enjoy some success with it.


newer players have enjoyed important quality of life changes with the game and their class. they have never known WoW without these.

heres a simpler example so users on the forum can follow

assume someone has never played video games on any console. Give them a ps4 to play with and then swap it with a ps1. they will not have a good time because there is a distinct difference in quality across all aspects.


Classic servers will struggle because the newer players(which is the VAST MAJORITY) do not share the 'nostalgia' effect and will not enjoy a clunkier, more tedious, less involved WoW then they have been used to the past few xpacs.

the players who want classic servers mainly because they think it gives them some higher status than others or because of 'nostalgia' are not enough to regard classic servers as successful and therefore will not last long after release.

Sorry.

The game is not really for the newer players. It is for the veterans with nostalgic memory. If new players play it, they will realize it's not for them and quit, which is good, I want the dedicated old schoolers with me there anyway.

I mean, this is not the new expac or the new big thing, it's an aditional, optional server, that's intended for the vanilla lovers.

[arkanon]

The multiple 10s of thousands if not more people who play on private servers and would gladly pay for quality vanilla by blizzard whole heartedly disagree.

Had a good chuckle at this. What exactly makes you think these 10s of thousands of players would pay for it? The only evidence you have, them playing on private servers, suggests the exact opposite of that. They are actively seeking a FREE alternative to paying for wow, so i ask again, what proof do you have that these 10s of thousands of players would pay?

not just SOME of them, or a few of them, but ALL of them as you suggest.

[Doctor Funkenstein]

What that argument fails to support is the fact that there are people who are actively paying to support those private servers ALREADY. People are donating for private servers, they'll definitely pay a subscription fee. Now I'd be stupid to pretend that 100% of the player base will migrate (though the majority of vanilla servers will probably shut down) but, actual statistics suggest that people in general want to pay for the things they like and care about, not that people are leeches despite what alarmists say.

And what you failed to realize was that I mentioned two completely different types of individuals. 1.) Those who were banned. 2.) Those whose mommy's won't let them use their credit card anymore. I know, math is super hard, so I'll try to clarify that for you: The second isn't 100% of them.

[Notshauna]

And what you failed to realize was that I mentioned two completely different types of individuals. 1.) Those who were banned. 2.) Those whose mommy's won't let them use their credit card anymore. I know, math is super hard, so I'll try to clarify that for you: The second isn't 100% of them.

No what you said is complete and utter baseless garbage that is born out of extreme and willful ignorance. Your point, if you are feeling generous enough to say that you had one, was that there isn't a market for a vanilla server. I then pointed out that there is already a market and now you try and have a semantic argument with me over the fact that I didn't challenge your baseless assertions.

At this point there is really two directions in which you can go pretend that you're point wasn't what I said and give up on your argument or try and find literally anything supporting anything you said, because frankly you have less than nothing to stand on right now.

[Charge me Doctor]

Nostalgia is a helluva drug;

Until it wears off. And it does wear off quickly when you meet all the bad things you don't remember.

Like when me and my old friends decided to go to a private server for nostalgia shot... a BoE two-handed mace from SM dropped, everyone rolled need on it and shaman healer fucking flipped, started yelling at everyone, like, "you can't even use it" (yeah, in a group of 2 warriors, druid, a mage and a shaman - nope, no one can use a str two-hander), "you ninjaed it from me!", left the group and started spamming /1 about us and ridiculed himself.

Or another shaman healer joining our "corpsemaker reserved" group and flipped over losing a need roll on it to our warrior who wanted it, lost the group and started spamming barrens chat... for the same result basically.

Then one of these shamans created a thread on private server forum, not about our group, but about someone else "ninjaing" stuff from him. Meeting a rebuttal of screenshots from various players of his attitude in groups and chat.

I just couldn't handle it, even with 4 man premades we got very explosive and unfriendly players in our dungeons, i don't want this, live server community is way better IMO

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High Warlord grind was easily the most obscene grind ever in Wow.

If you weren't hitting or account sharing you weren't going to get it.

Not when blizzard expanded leaderboards and more than 1 player could become a top rank pvper

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Expectations on raiders will likely be different in Classic servers unless you have a casual guild for running 40 mans. People sucked at WoW in 2004, they don't now. A lot of guild leaders will be expecting high performance, and a lot of people now know weird and broken ways to maximize DPS in Classic. You’re going to have the economy and guilds dominated by people who know exactly what they’re doing because they've had a decade to prepare for this.

I believe there will be way less players in classic than in vanilla and player pools will be smaller. Even in vanilla you've seen clueless players who could DC midfight and rejoin at the end of it just... because you could.

[Deleted]

assume someone has never played video games on any console. Give them a ps4 to play with and then swap it with a ps1. they will not have a good time because there is a distinct difference in quality across all aspects.

sorry but that is wrong cause it depends on the games you give them not on the console.