What do you think about people drinking and smoking

[TEHPALLYTANK]

How do you have a party without alcohol?

By not bringing any alcohol.

[ls-]

I don't like being around people who smoke.

I find people who drink to be more tolerable because it doesn't affect me in any way, unlike secondhand smoking, unless they try to guilt-trip me into drinking, the "you don't respect us, so you don't want to drink w/ us" bullshit.

[Dellis0991]

I don't give a fuck what someone do to themselves, I use to drink but I don't anymore so I'm not bothered by anyone who drinks or smokes weed... I get away when folks light up blunts and stand away to avoid that contact high (even though it can be pleasant sometimes.

[Deleted]

By not bringing any alcohol.

Would you take no running shoes to a marathon to?

[Deleted]

I don't give a fuck what people do to their own bodies. But I loathe being around cigarette smoke. Smoke all you want, just not near me.

That pretty much sums it up for me

[Christan]

Smoking is no-no. No matter what exactly you smoke, you emit waste to atmosphere without consent of atmosphere users.

here's the first search result on google for 'carcinogens in car exhaust'
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...nd-cancer.html

basically, no one gets a say for that, why should it be allowed for smokers?

and if cancer.org isn't good enough how about nih
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1703967

basically, whether people are around you or not, daily you are exposed to many many carcinogens.

call it what it is, you dislike smoke so it should be banned?
what about people who have a perfume sensitivity (making it harder to breath / get headaches)
perfume should be banned? body odor should be banned, or how about just saying anything not 100% politically correct should be banned, if it offends it should be banned! (second part isn't aimed at person i quoted, it's about the topic in general lol)

i smoke but 1.only outside
2. not around people who don't smoke (i'll wait at the car in the parking lot until i'm done, not walk up to the doors smoking)

it's about respect, many smokers don't have it...sadly, but damn... in Austin, ordinance was put into law no smokers inside any public building...so no more 'smokers bars'
houston it's still a thing though.

i don't even know how that law had passed...

In the City of Austin, smoking is not allowed in public places, including City parks, libraries, buses or within 15 feet of any pedestrian entrance. This ban includes bars and restaurant establishments. Smoking is allowed in private residences. If you are staying in a hotel and wish to smoke, please request a designated smoking room.

http://www.austintexas.gov/departmen...-drinking-laws

like..seriously, not even in public parks (not playgrounds actual multi-acre parks trees/paths/biking trails etc) take zilker park and the botanical gardens as examples.

all that crud when car exhaust is more carcinogenic than second hand smoke when the data isn't cherry picked.

[Raelbo]

Fixed it for you no need to thank me.

Sadly what you probably don't realise is that you've just demonstrated that you're the epitome of what I am talking about.

It's really disingenuous, and even egregious, to try and compare non-smokers taking issue with getting smoked on by smokers, to smokers being restricted by non-smokers. Let me be clear, in the smoker - non-smoker dynamic, it is the smoker who is the aggressor. Non-smokers are the victims. It's pretty disgusting that smokers want to paint themselves as victims when non-smokers are simply trying to protect themselves.

I mean why would any non-smoker go out of their way to make trouble with a smoker unless the smoker was affecting them with their smoke? That's right, we don't. Because it doesn't make any sense. But all too often I hear, like you have just demonstrated, smokers feeling horribly aggrieved because some "asshole non-smoker" is getting all upset at you about "nothing". The problem my friend is not the non-smoker. It's the nicotene addiction affecting the ability of the smoker to view any potential threat to that nicotene delivery in a rational manner.

I have learned, through many years of experience, that smokers will take the benefit of doubt in favour of your habit. You'll just happily assume that no one is bothered by your smoke because far too few people ever say anything. What you fail to take into account is that a lot of non-smokers avoid making an issue in the interests of being "polite" or "considerate" and avoiding a potential conflict. Ironically, by trying to be considerate, we have simply enabled you to be utterly inconsiderate. Sorry, but fuck that.

Now, fair enough, if as non-smokers we are too wussy to speak up when smokers are affecting us, then we can't really expect you lot to just know that what you're doing is not ok. I mean, it's no mystery that nicotene addiction does affect a smoker's ability to reason when it comes to anything regarding their habit, so you're not going to just magically figure it out for yourself unless we speak up. That is why I no longer bother with pussy-footing around this issue any more. The fact is that smokers have been granted way too much leaway to do as you please for decades. And while I am sorry that being forthright and honest may come as a shock to many smokers, I have found that it's pretty much the only way to get the message across. You need to grow up and take accountability for your actions. Non-smokers should never have been put in the position where we feel embarrassed or afraid to speak up out of fear of making a scene or looking inconsiderate. It's your habit. You're the aggressor. Get used to it, and stop trying to be a bully who makes his victims feel guilty for standing up for their rights.

[endersblade]

I grew up with an alcoholic father and chain smoking step-mother. I don't tolerate being around drunks anymore than I do being around stupid people. As for smoking, I seem to have...well, I wouldn't call it an addiction, but definitely SOMETHING because of growing up around it...but I actually find it soothing to smell cig smoke. Now, that's the SMOKE I like to smell, not the PEOPLE. I don't like being around people who smell like cig smoke. Worse, people who smell like a fucking ash tray. I don't understand what causes someone to smell like that, but ugh. Gross.

My ex used to smoke and I'd make her chew gum/mouthwash/brush teeth before she kissed me. She had no issues with this. But I would frequently go out on smoke breaks with her (we worked together) and it was just so enjoyable to smell the smoke.

[Christan]

And while I am sorry that being forthright and honest may come as a shock to many smokers, I have found that it's pretty much the only way to get the message across. You need to grow up and take accountability for your actions. Non-smokers should never have been put in the position where we feel embarrassed or afraid to speak up out of fear of making a scene or looking inconsiderate. It's your habit. You're the aggressor. Get used to it, and stop trying to be a bully who makes his victims feel guilty for standing up for their rights.

somewhat agree with you but not everyone is passive and take a lifetime to learn when to speak up, as a smoker the onus is on me to ask someone if they mind.
also, unless it's in a setting where the non-smoker can't move upwind / away / out of the room...calling a smoker an aggressor is pretty lol' worthy.

i.e. at a job, in a car, in a room of a building, the onus is on a smoker to GTFO, but sidewalk, parking lot(not near doors) the onus is on neither, because non smoker can move away (unless the smoker decides to follow them closely) while if it's the smokers car, house property etc, the onus is then on the non-smoker to leave, however anyone worth their damn as a human should make sure their friends/family aren't being ousted by their habits. (all habits not just smoking)

in fact...the only way i could see a smoker being called as an aggressor is if they are following a nonsmoker from room to room.

unless you want to call anyone driving a car an aggressor also,
or simply call anyone doing something you don't like an aggressor


so while you you have the right sentiment, the wording definitely needs work. and i am happy when people speak up myself

[Raelbo]

here's the first search result on google for 'carcinogens in car exhaust'
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...nd-cancer.html

basically, no one gets a say for that, why should it be allowed for smokers?

and if cancer.org isn't good enough how about nih
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1703967

basically, whether people are around you or not, daily you are exposed to many many carcinogens.

So essentially you seem to be arguing that because we're already exposed to a bunch of carcinogens, that makes exposure to cigarette smoke ok? That is a terrible argument riddled with flaws.

The simple fact of the matter is that second hand cigarette smoke (from a nearby smoker) doesn't fall into the background noise. Even with all the crap we're already exposed to, exposure to second hand cigarette smoke significantly increases our risks of heart disease and cancer.

Regardless of whether your argument about diesel fumes is valid or not, it doesn't make it ok to expose people to second hand smoke.

Sure, granted, once you're far enough away from the cigarette and the smoke has dispersed properly into the atmosphere, I am prepared to accept that it becomes insignificant among the background noise, and for that reason I am fine with the idea of designated smoking areas, provided there are adequate measures to keep the smoke away from everyone else until it is sufficiently dispersed into the atmosphere.

call it what it is, you dislike smoke so it should be banned?

Nope, it has absolutely nothing to do with disliking it. It has to do with it being a credible, significant and unneccesary health risk.

what about people who have a perfume sensitivity (making it harder to breath / get headaches)
perfume should be banned? body odor should be banned,

Red herrings, false equivalence and irrelevant.

i smoke but 1.only outside
2. not around people who don't smoke (i'll wait at the car in the parking lot until i'm done, not walk up to the doors smoking)

And while this seems fair enough, I think there is a general fallacy among smokers who are trying to be considerate, that just because it's outdoors, it's fine. Unless you're in the middle of a vacant parking lot, odds are high that people will still be moving through your toxic cloud. Yes, I realise that this is inconvenient for you, but hey, it's your habit after all.

like..seriously, not even in public parks (not playgrounds actual multi-acre parks trees/paths/biking trails etc) take zilker park and the botanical gardens as examples.

Yes, seriously. It's a public place. People (many of whom are children) should be able to move around freely in such a space without the risk of accidentally stumbling into someone's toxic cloud, or having a smoker pass by upwind, blissfully unaware and likely unconcerned about where their smoke is going.

Smoking should be restricted to designated smoking areas which are out of the way of regular pedestrian traffic, and clearly marked so that people know to stay at a safe distance.

all that crud when car exhaust is more carcinogenic than second hand smoke when the data isn't cherry picked.

Firstly that's a very dubious claim. And yes, I read the links you posted, they don't say this.

Secondly it's false equivalence: Cigarette smoking is a recreational activity done to feed peoples' addiction to nicotene. Cars are a vital part of the economy.

Thirdly, two wrongs don't make a right. Even if we accept that car exhaust is harmful, it doesn't justify allowing second hand cigarette smoke exposure. They're two separate arguments.

[Raakel]

Hate it when the delivery guy smokes 24/7 in his van + when he hands you a totally stinky parcel and you open it and everything inside also smells. Other than that I don't care about smokers as long as they don't exhale in my face. There are even times when I like the smell and then times when it causes me headache.

Also.... quit being around people who can't handle themselves when drinking or change personality and everything is just fine. I drink like every two or three months and while we empty the bottle we are just having a good time talking. I see it as way of enjoying yourself / relaxation and it's perfectly fine if you are around nice people. I loathe being in party districts / clubs though as it's beeing like in a ghost train for me. Stopped going there years ago.

[Raelbo]

also, unless it's in a setting where the non-smoker can't move upwind / away / out of the room...calling a smoker an aggressor is pretty lol' worthy.

Why should the non-smoker move when it's the smoker who initiates the problem? And yes, I get that most smokers like to "lol" at the preposterous notion that they're aggressors. Addiction does make one a bit delusional when it comes to being critical of one's own actions. It's much easier, not to mention convenient, to laugh off the complaint than to take a good, hard, honest look at yourself.

but sidewalk, parking lot(not near doors) the onus is on neither, because non smoker can move away (unless the smoker decides to follow them closely)

Unacceptable. Sorry. As I said above, it's the smoker's habit, it should be the smoker's responsibility. The reality is that it's simply not practical to smoke in any area through which people can reasonably expected to be moving. Yes, I realise you don't like this logic, because it's inconvenient. Deal with it.

while if it's the smokers car, house property etc, the onus is then on the non-smoker to leave, however anyone worth their damn as a human should make sure their friends/family aren't being ousted by their habits. (all habits not just smoking)

Agreed

in fact...the only way i could see a smoker being called as an aggressor is if they are following a nonsmoker from room to room.

unless you want to call anyone driving a car an aggressor also,
or simply call anyone doing something you don't like an aggressor

An Aggressor (in this context) is the person who initiates an act of aggression
A valid case of aggression is "the practice of making attacks or encroachments"

Giving that second hand cigarette smoke is harmful, it is a form of attack, and given that the smoke moves over people, it is definitely an encroachment. Yes, I do get that it is a strong word to use, and I totally get that you don't like the word, but it is appropriate and justifiable, especially given the general propensity of smokers to try and downplay the severity of the harm they do to others.

[Deleted]

Sadly what you probably don't realise is that you've just demonstrated that you're the epitome of what I am talking about.

It's really disingenuous, and even egregious, to try and compare non-smokers taking issue with getting smoked on by smokers, to smokers being restricted by non-smokers. Let me be clear, in the smoker - non-smoker dynamic, it is the smoker who is the aggressor. Non-smokers are the victims. It's pretty disgusting that smokers want to paint themselves as victims when non-smokers are simply trying to protect themselves.

I mean why would any non-smoker go out of their way to make trouble with a smoker unless the smoker was affecting them with their smoke? That's right, we don't. Because it doesn't make any sense. But all too often I hear, like you have just demonstrated, smokers feeling horribly aggrieved because some "asshole non-smoker" is getting all upset at you about "nothing". The problem my friend is not the non-smoker. It's the nicotene addiction affecting the ability of the smoker to view any potential threat to that nicotene delivery in a rational manner.

I have learned, through many years of experience, that smokers will take the benefit of doubt in favour of your habit. You'll just happily assume that no one is bothered by your smoke because far too few people ever say anything. What you fail to take into account is that a lot of non-smokers avoid making an issue in the interests of being "polite" or "considerate" and avoiding a potential conflict. Ironically, by trying to be considerate, we have simply enabled you to be utterly inconsiderate. Sorry, but fuck that.

Now, fair enough, if as non-smokers we are too wussy to speak up when smokers are affecting us, then we can't really expect you lot to just know that what you're doing is not ok. I mean, it's no mystery that nicotene addiction does affect a smoker's ability to reason when it comes to anything regarding their habit, so you're not going to just magically figure it out for yourself unless we speak up. That is why I no longer bother with pussy-footing around this issue any more. The fact is that smokers have been granted way too much leaway to do as you please for decades. And while I am sorry that being forthright and honest may come as a shock to many smokers, I have found that it's pretty much the only way to get the message across. You need to grow up and take accountability for your actions. Non-smokers should never have been put in the position where we feel embarrassed or afraid to speak up out of fear of making a scene or looking inconsiderate. It's your habit. You're the aggressor. Get used to it, and stop trying to be a bully who makes his victims feel guilty for standing up for their rights.

Non smokers smell diesel exhaust all time time. Is public transport aggressive?

[Elim Garak]

Non smokers smell diesel exhaust all time time. Is public transport aggressive?

Passive aggressive. Are you going to claim that diesel exhaust is fine? Or that because people are exposed to it, being exposed to smoking is fine?

[Hiricine]

I don't even have to be around smokers for them to annoy me. How many times have you played a game online and had some dumbass that holds everyone else up on a smoke break for 10 minutes? I've lost countless hours of my life waiting for people to slowly kill themselves, and I will NEVER get them back.

[Vaelorian]

I love drinking. But don't always get drunk. It is not my goal to be drunk. I love some wine at dinner with my wife. I love some beers with my buddies. I love drinking special cocktails when its summer in the garden. Do I get drunk sometimes? Sure. But do I like being drunk? No not really. When I feel I am getting drunk, I stop.

But damn do I hate cigarettes. My mom smoked (dead now, cancer and all that at age 64) and when I was a teenager and still lived with my parents... she used to wake up before me and fix me some sandwiches for school. Bless her for that. But after that was finished, she would have a sit in the living room to smoke a cigarette.... She did not need to wake me up... the fumes of the cigarette did it for her.

My grandma and mom also used to smoke in the car with me in it. Until my grandpa told them to stop when I was in the car.

Ever since I have hated cigarettes. I am so happy that smoking in the workplace is banned where I live. Also in bars and restaurants (god yes!) it is banned and also in public transport.

But now the frustration gets to me when the following happens:
1. someone on the bus already pops a cig in his mouth and has his lighter ready, to get off on the next stop right? So the doors open... and the fucker moves his face one inch out of the bus and the cig is lit.... So everyone IN the fucking bus... can breath in the putrid air.
2. someone gets off the train... and lights one up on the stairs towards the exit on the station.... and because the corridor acts like a tube... everyone in it can smell it... great - THANKS FOR WAITING UNTIL YOU ARE ACTUALLY OUTSIDE
3. you go out of a restaurant right.... and yes I am thankful that you cannot smoke inside. But you come outside after a nice dinner... to be greeted with a wall of smoke from people giving in to their addiction.
4. you have the window open at night (bedroom)... and suddenly a neighbor comes home after a nightshift... lights up a cig (3 doors down) and yes it fucking comes into my bedroom... and I fucking wake up from it... unable to sleep until 15 min after he is already done... the smoke just sticks in my room...
5. When I visit my father in law, he lives in an older house with wooden boards for a floor. He lives at the first floor. Below him a family of heavy smokers lives.... So all the smoke they produce comes up via the wooden floor boards.... Great huh?
6. someone sits behind you in the train right? This person just smoked - probably put it out seconds before entering the train... sits behind you. That is so great... You can now just smell the smoke that is still in his lungs...slowly coming out of his mouth - THANKS MATE...

Now honestly... I think smoking should be banned. But as long as it is not.... even tho I ranted with my 6 points... I think smokers should be able to do whatever they please when it is a "LEGAL" smoking area.

[Elim Garak]

What I hate the most are the idiots who smoke while walking the streets with complete disregard for other people.

[Deleted]

As an asthmatic, it's really dangerous for me to be around smokers. I hate it, and I wish they'd ban it already.
I get respiratory distress after a few mins, and can't breathe.

[Deleted]

Passive aggressive. Are you going to claim that diesel exhaust is fine? Or that because people are exposed to it, being exposed to smoking is fine?

I'm saying smelling some cig smoke should be the least of his/your problems.

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As an asthmatic, it's really dangerous for me to be around smokers. I hate it, and I wish they'd ban it already.
I get respiratory distress after a few mins, and can't breathe.

Some people have seizures caused by light. Should we ban lights?

[Mendzia]

I hate smoking. I will never understand why people are wasting their health, time and money.
I drink only occasionally and do not care that much about others doing it.