Horde is the True Home of Druidism

[Deleted]

trolls been doing shit since before night elves were a thing.

since before dark trolls, which became night elves, were a thing.

What I gather isn't the troll druidism based on their LoA?
When you stretch it like that shamans are also a form a druidism.

In a way on Draenor where the shaman circle was formed it is very similiar. Their the elemental spirits serve the same goal as the Ancients of the Night Elves.
Admittingly most of Orc shamanism was based on their orc ancestral spirits which was made possible because Oshu'gun and the Naaru inside.

[Wildmoon]

he being the "greatest" practitioner means nothing in the subject i talk about,, the horde have many "good" or "greatest" practitioner of both light and void.

the thing is even with malfurion the alliance is more oriented to light and now void magic

The horde will be more oriented to life and death magic. Also elements side of magic still is under the "life spectre" of magic.

No, Life/Nature magic is different from the Elements. There's also no greatest practitioner Light and Void magic on the horde. For the Light it is Velen and for the Void it is Alleria.

The amount of druids itself is also not really clear that it's in favor of the horde considering the ratio of night elf druids to druids of other races.

[Evangeliste]

he being the "greatest" practitioner means nothing in the subject i talk about,, the horde have many "good" or "greatest" practitioner of both light and void.

the thing is even with malfurion the alliance is more oriented to light and now void magic

The horde will be more oriented to life and death magic. Also elements side of magic still is under the "life spectre" of magic.

I don't think a single race really qualities as more to the Void when Trolls have been using Shadow magic (like Shadow Hunters, Loa and so on) for god knows how long which using the Cosmology chart is directly linked to the Void.

True, Alliance have been more orientated to the Light with Draenei being a major contributor but that's a parallel to that is the Trolls being Void. It's interesting because we don't know how long Trolls have been around but say they've been around 20,000 years since Elves came from them then both Draenei's and Trolls have been opposites that long. What muddied the waters is other races using the other areas like Arcane, Nature, so on and so on.

Both Horde and Alliance regardless have used Life magic since Night Elves and Trolls are basically in accordance even if one dabbled in Void and the other Arcane.

I get what you mean though just but neither side personally jousts better.

[Super Kami Dende]

Malfurion being the first Mortal Druid kind of destroys that theory.

Considering the Ancients of Nature didn't consider them for the thousands of years previous to Malfurion.

[Wildmoon]

Malfurion being the first Mortal Druid kind of destroys that theory.

Considering the Ancients of Nature didn't consider them for the thousands of years previous to Malfurion.

Cenarius did teach the tauren. They were just not up to the task.

[Skyforge1]

trolls been doing shit since before night elves were a thing.

since before dark trolls, which became night elves, were a thing.

But the dark trolls didn't begin worshipping Elune and druidism until after they were transformed into night elves by the well

[Syegfryed]

No, Life/Nature magic is different from the Elements.

https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.ne...icle_Magic.jpg
Elemental magic in under the spectre of life/nature magic

There's also no greatest practitioner Light and Void magic on the horde. For the Light it is Velen and for the Void it is Alleria.

there is aponi, Dezco and Liadrin int he light and all of the shadow hunters and warlocks among the horde

The amount of druids itself is also not really clear that it's in favor of the horde considering the ratio of night elf druids to druids of other races.

the amount was never the topic, but how the factions look, th alliance IS more light/void oriented than nature/life oriented regardless the elves

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I get what you mean though just but neither side personally jousts better.

Sure, i don't mean to say only the alliance will only use light and void, and only the horde will only use life/death, it is only to show the spheres that the factions will be more focused

[Wildmoon]

https://d1u5p3l4wpay3k.cloudfront.ne...icle_Magic.jpg
Elemental magic in under the spectre of life/nature magic

How do you draw that kind of connection? If you are going to state the obvious then the elements are under every cosmic force which amoubts to saying nothing. The elements are the building blocks of physical world. The cosmic force of life manifested as nature magic is different from it. They are all connected like you can connect arcane with nature but they are different things.

there is aponi, Dezco and Liadrin int he light and all of the shadow hunters and warlocks among the horde

I said the greatest. You brought up someones that can not possibly be the face that their respective magics.

the amount was never the topic, but how the factions look, th alliance IS more light/void oriented than nature/life oriented regardless the elves

Looks literally means nothing. Just because you look certain way does not really indicate the degree of affinity and mastery over certain forces. The Horde can not be more representative of Life magic than the AA simply because more of their people live primitively.

[RobertMugabe]

To the point of the allied races being extensions of the "core" races, you're all right. But you're missing the point.
When the Highmountain and Zandalari join the Horde, their druids will join the Horde druids in Moonglade, Val'Sharah, and any other neutral druid stronghold.
These new druids were never part of the collective before, and thus the overall population will swell exclusively for the Horde.

Both in lore and in game, the Horde is going to double the number of druids on Azeroth.

Rather than bickering about who was the original druid, (Cenarius taught Yaungol druidism, Gilnaens developed it on their own, ect) lets discuss future implications?

That's just bullshit dude... you do realize that lorewise there are like a lot more night elves than any of these races? (generally speaking, the Alliance has a Membership of about a Million, lore-wise, while horde is at about 300k)

[rogueMatthias]

With Teldrassil being burnt down by the Horde, it makes you wonder how groups like the Cenarion Circle can stay together in BFA. Malfurion is seriously still going to stay neutral after that?

[Wildmoon]

With Teldrassil being burnt down by the Horde, it makes you wonder how groups like the Cenarion Circle can stay together in BFA. Malfurion is seriously still going to stay neutral after that?

Blizzard will find some way to occupy him. That has always been the case.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

To the point of the allied races being extensions of the "core" races, you're all right. But you're missing the point.
When the Highmountain and Zandalari join the Horde, their druids will join the Horde druids in Moonglade, Val'Sharah, and any other neutral druid stronghold.
These new druids were never part of the collective before, and thus the overall population will swell exclusively for the Horde.

Both in lore and in game, the Horde is going to double the number of druids on Azeroth.

Rather than bickering about who was the original druid, (Cenarius taught Yaungol druidism, Gilnaens developed it on their own, ect) lets discuss future implications?

I'd say, without actual Druid count, its pretty silly to say words like "double..."

[rogueMatthias]

Blizzard will find some way to occupy him. That has always been the case.

Maybe he'll take another nap

[Kynario]

Here we go again with cringe arguments regarding pixels and completely fictional and made-up characters. Why does it matter, and why not both?

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

Trolls and Taurens were practising druidism thousands of years before Malfurion. In typical elf fashion, he decided he was the first and then promptly blamed Illidan for everything wrong with the world.

First doesn't always mean in chronological order... it could also mean "most important," "most revered," or "strongest."

[Wildmoon]

Here we go again with cringe arguments regarding pixels and completely fictional and made-up characters. Why does it matter, and why not both?

You are in the place that is created for this specific purpose of discussing what's going on in this world of pixels. You are the one being silly.

[derpkitteh]

But the dark trolls didn't begin worshipping Elune and druidism until after they were transformed into night elves by the well

they worshiped the loa far longer. the loa include beings like gonk and shirvallah, who taught them druidic practices.

[Thage]

The future of the Cenarion Circle relies largely on what the political landscape on Azeroth looks like as of 8.1 when the Old God storyline is implied to kick into gear. In 8.0 the Alliance and Horde are in full conquest mode and neutral factions are breaking up after being forced to pick a side (hence why the Order Hall storylines aren't being carried forth into BFA and why the Lightforged, void elves, Highmountain, Nightborne, Zandalari, and the Dark Irons who didn't join Moira's faction are all taking sides between the Alliance and Horde). If the Argent Crusade/Silver Hand are allowed to operate unmolested, then it stands to reason so are the two other major neutral factions, the Earthen Ring and the Cenarion Circle. Otherwise, these neutral factions will likely reform into faction-specific orders, with their former holdings either annexed by one faction or another or kept as neutral meeting grounds for sacred ceremonies/rituals/holidays (likely enforced by powerful neutral parties like Cenarius and Alexstrasza, as an example, whom neither faction is terribly interested in pissing off or respect too much to cross).

So even with an influx of druids from the Highmountain tauren and Zandalari, there's a) no guarantee they will even join the Cenarion Circle as that relies on b) the Circle maintaining its neutrality, which might not happen in BFA. The night elves may well decide to take their toys and go home, leading to the Horde coming up with a new druidic order (it would feel pretty weird for a Horde-specific faction to use a Kaldorei name, unlike the current neutral faction).

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

I thought the Horde controlled Kalimdor, thus Moonglade.

Moonglade is controlled by neither Horde nor Alliance. The Cenarion Circle has always been neutral.

[Tasandriel]

Sargeras is also mentioned as a demon, which he isn't..

Tauren and Trolls practiced Druidism before elves even existed..

So some unimportant nowhere else mentioned side characters practised druidism before the great Shan'do did, point being? Warcraft lore widely supports night elves being the ones that used it most thorougly. Hell before World of Warcraft there wasn't even any mention of anyone except Night Elves having Druids.