Cop opens fire in a room full of kids

[therealbowser]

I love seeing a website called "The Daily Sheeple" getting quoted as a source. I'm just saying... this isn't exactly a reliable source, now is it?

[Machismo]

now just imagine the threat of being a cop in the US.

In reality, it's less dangerous than plenty of jobs. A job being difficult is not a justification for acting recklessly around civilians.

[therealbowser]

Well, numerous users quoted reliable sources, so we can probably stop beating the dead horse now.

I'm one of those awful people that reads the OP and responds to it instead of reading the entire thread. I'll admit it. I haven't actually formed an opinion on the topic since, you know, the only source I've seen so far is unreliable. But I'll discuss it once I have, and provided I do feel like it.

[Ghostpanther]

On the surface sounds like the police officer was careless. Better training and other non lethal options would be good to use in cases like this.

[Super Kami Dende]

People just really question Kansas. It’s a really backwards state with certain things, and has some really questionable laws. Like, registered sex offenders of children can live in close proximity of schools, and you can be arrested for adultery, lol.

I don't doubt places have fucked up laws and are backwards with certain things, but the Law enforcement witch hunt these days seems to just be going over the top.

[Seranthor]

Let's pretend that there weren't two other posters before you who linked better sources.



Why does the difference between one kid and many kids matter? Fact of the matter: a dangerous weapon was discharged unnecessarily and it hit a child.



It's right at the very minimum edge for international standards of what constitutes a medium-sized dog. But then again, I don't really put police brutality apologists like you above cherrypicking semantics and technicalities.



The usual deflection by police state advocates, that if you aren't x you can't criticize x. Unfortunately, it seems they lack any self-awareness that it applies to them as well, that if they aren't other people they can't criticize other people.

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A natural result of having too many pro-brutality advocates like @Seranthor jumping to their rescue, of course.

So wanting to see the result of an investigation is now 'pro-brutality', is that what you really are saying? I thought jumping to conclusions was a bad thing, its what you are trying to crucify the police for, does this mean you too should be crucified?

[Super Kami Dende]

In reality, it's less dangerous than plenty of jobs. A job being difficult is not a justification for acting recklessly around civilians.

It's never a justification. But Human Beings being in Stressful situations are known to make stupid as fuck decisions at times. Even people that are trained. Throwing all Law enforcement under the bus because there are some legitimately Bad and some just outright Stupid Cops out there is just silly and causes trouble for the Majority of Police that work day by day at their best to help protect Society.

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People are starting to expect more out of their law enforcement. I’m one that agrees that US Police are too trigger happy, use unjustifiable force and lack proper training on how to handle situations without the use of guns.

I'll agree that those problems do exist, but not to the extent people make it out to be. I also believe that working people up and making them fear/provoke Police officers in itself adds to those problems. I'd say the "Fuck the police" and other Anti-Police Sentiments becoming increasingly apparent can lead to Police feeling more on edge in situations that would otherwise be diffused easily.

[Ghostpanther]

People are starting to expect more out of their law enforcement. I’m one that agrees that US Police are too trigger happy, use unjustifiable force and lack proper training on how to handle situations without the use of guns.

And I am one that agrees the great majority use justified force. It is only a very small minority which are careless. Of course, those cases when they are gets a ton of media coverage. And even in most of the cases the media reports on so called police brutality, the investigations find no wrong doing by the police. And not being ready to use your firearm quickly, can cost your life. That being said, this case of the thread, does seem to be careless action of the officer.

[McFuu]

You might want to just straight up remove what you linked... It's awful, it isn't even journalism, just something any of the kool-aid chugging lefties or righties would post on their blog.

Seriously how did you think that source was even credible in the least?

[MatadorMedia]

I'm not a police officer, but if a dog lunges at me with vicious intent and I happen to have a gun in my hand, that dog is dead.

[JohnBrown1917]

I'm not a police officer, but if a dog lunges at me with vicious intent and I happen to have a gun in my hand, that dog is dead.

If only that happened in all cases where dogs were shot by police.

[Machismo]

It's never a justification. But Human Beings being in Stressful situations are known to make stupid as fuck decisions at times. Even people that are trained. Throwing all Law enforcement under the bus because there are some legitimately Bad and some just outright Stupid Cops out there is just silly and causes trouble for the Majority of Police that work day by day at their best to help protect Society.

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I'll agree that those problems do exist, but not to the extent people make it out to be. I also believe that working people up and making them fear/provoke Police officers in itself adds to those problems. I'd say the "Fuck the police" and other Anti-Police Sentiments becoming increasingly apparent can lead to Police feeling more on edge in situations that would otherwise be diffused easily.

That is why officers are trained, and in the end, people should be held accountable for their actions. I'm not throwing all law enforcement under the bus, but I am calling this guy out for his actions. The issue is not bad cops, they are a statistical inevitability. The real problem are the other officers who rationalize, cover up, and justify the actions of bad officers. I say this as someone whose best friend is a city cop, and several of my friends are officers. Even they are willing to admit the overall system needs significant work.

[Ghostpanther]

I'm not a police officer, but if a dog lunges at me with vicious intent and I happen to have a gun in my hand, that dog is dead.

A police officer needs to be aware of his surroundings before discharging his firearm.

[Crillam]

35 pounds is not small for you?

What are you? a 110 pounders scared nerds that cannot lift?

Hey, 35 pounds is much for a 10 year old.

[Tackhisis]

The blame lies on his department that didn't supply its officers with bullets that can be used indoors, in cars, trains, etc.

[Independent voter]

"www.thedailysheeple.com"

LOL.

[Ghostpanther]

The blame lies on his department that didn't supply its officers with bullets that can be used indoors, in cars, trains, etc.

I am not sure what other non lethal options the officer had. But there are scenarios where pepper spray/mace can be effective. And officers should carry it in my opinion. But he was told a firearm was in the house and a guy was contemplating committing suicide. So he may have had his firearm in his hand and just reacted instinctively. But the department felt he reacted too aggressively and endangered unnecessarily the lives of others. Which was the reason he was fired. If that report is true.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Force = speed x weight. A dog can easily dash at 15 mph. 15 mph x 35 pounds = 525 pounds of force. More than enough to knock any person down.

Who in the can’t take a 35 pound dog charging at them? I’ve had 150 pound newfys charge at me and not knock me off my feet 35 is like nothing.

[Techno-Druid]

Who in the can’t take a 35 pound dog charging at them? I’ve had 150 pound newfys charge at me and not knock me off my feet 35 is like nothing.

Yeah, overpowering a medium-sized dog, even most breeds of pitbull, isn't very hard. I'm not sure how large the officer in question is, but aren't police expected to be able to kick down doors? If so, I doubt he couldn't have just put his weight on the dog and restrained it/bullied it into submission.

Not that beating up a dog is a good move, but it's hell of a lot better than shooting it.

[Strawberry]

Seems that being a cop and shooting someone (or murdering that person) only gets you fired.