United Airlines bans passenger's emotional support peacock from flight

[Ghostpanther]

From what I'm finding it doesn't matter if it is recommended by a doctor. No business is required by law to allow ANY ESA animal in. In fact they when it comes to the food industry they are breaking laws by allowing them in.

Na. We see animals on leases all the time at our local Walmart. You do not even need to have a emotional support jacket on the animal. Just needs to be controlled and restrained by the owner.

[Orange Joe]

Na. We see animals on leases all the time at our local Walmart. You do not even need to have a emotional support jacket on the animal. Just needs to be controlled and restrained by the owner.

Can you quoted a source on this? Again Just because places are allowing it doesn't mean it's legal.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...0/pets-allowed

[Ghostpanther]

From what I'm finding it doesn't matter if it is recommended by a doctor. No business is required by law to allow ANY ESA animal in. In fact they when it comes to the food industry they are breaking laws by allowing them in.

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Can you quote the actual part? Are you sure they say emotional support animal and not service animal?

A person who has a emotional mental issue and gets a doctor's statement, uses the same patches as the service dogs on their jackets. I know this for a fact because of a family member who uses one. They key is the doctor's statement the patient requires it as part of their mental treatment.

[Orange Joe]

A person who has a emotional mental issue and gets a doctor's statement, uses the same patches as the service dogs on their jackets. I know this for a fact because of a family member who uses one. They key is the doctor's statement the patient requires it as part of their mental treatment.

I've asked you for a source 2-3 times now. If you don't have a source to back up what you are saying don't bother.

[Ghostpanther]

From what I'm finding it doesn't matter if it is recommended by a doctor. No business is required by law to allow ANY ESA animal in. In fact they when it comes to the food industry they are breaking laws by allowing them in.

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Can you quote the actual part? Are you sure they say emotional support animal and not service animal?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/disability_law and then read this part of that....a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities of the individual."

[Leadsop]

How would a peacock even sit in an airplane seat?

In a bucket, with some deep-fried batter on it and a side of barbeque sauce next to it.

[Zogarth]

In my opinion pets should not be allowed in the cabin of airlines at all. And that is all animals, even cats and dogs.

[Orange Joe]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/disability_law and then read this part of that....a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more of the major life activities of the individual."

? I don't see anything about a emotional support animal. In fact when I use control+ find nothing comes up for emotion at all.


Again a emotional support animal is not a service animal.

[Katchii]

don't even think it's legal to ask that question and there is no official system in place which is why it's often abused

It is absolutely legal to ask that question, the only question that's illegal to ask and require an answer for before providing service is what is the nature of a person disability.

What's not legal is for a business to deny you the right to have your support animal if that animal is in fact a support animal. Claiming you have a medically approved support animal, when you don't and you're just calling it that, is a felony (at least in California, specific laws differ from state to state.)

And there IS an official system in place, at least in the US. There's a process for getting medical approval/ recommendation to have one and there's documentation created when you actually get one for that use. When going places/ doing things that normally wouldn't allow animals, you as the claimant have the burden of proving it is a legally titled/ papered support animal. If you can't provide that proof the business has no obligation to allow the animal into whatever it is you're trying to do.

https://www.certapet.com/faq/how-to-...upport-animal/

https://www.petmd.com/dog/emotional-...ays-about-each

And just from looking at these, it's not likely that a fucking peacock is a legally titled service/ support animal and the lady is full of shit.

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? I don't see anything about a emotional support animal. In fact when I use control+ find nothing comes up for emotion at all.


Again a emotional support animal is not a service animal.

They fall under the same guidelines though as far as the law is concerned and still need to abide by all of the restrictions and requirements as a service animal, whether they are technically a "service animal" or not.

[Ghostpanther]

? I don't see anything about a emotional support animal. In fact when I use control+ find nothing comes up for emotion at all.


Again a emotional support animal is not a service animal.

Under the Air Carrier Access Act, air carriers are prohibited from discrimination against qualified individuals with physical and/or mental impairments].

You are missing one very important factor. It depends on if the claim of a disability is supported by a doctor's statement. You do know all claims for disability payments need to be certified by a physician? A service dog identification is not limited to only physical disabilities.

[Orange Joe]

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II. Service Animal Defined by Title II and Title III of the ADAA service animal means any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of an individual with a disability, including a physical, sensory, psychiatric, intellectual, or other mental disability. Tasks performed can include, among other things, pulling a wheelchair, retrieving dropped items, alerting a person to a sound, reminding a person to take medication, or pressing an elevator button.


Emotional support animals, comfort animals, and therapy dogs are not service animals under Title II and Title III of the ADA. Other species of animals, whether wild or domestic, trained or untrained, are not considered service animals either. The work or tasks performed by a service animal must be directly related to the individual’s disability. It does not matter if a person has a note from a doctor that states that the person has a disability and needs to have the animal for emotional support. A doctor’s letter does not turn an animal into a service animal.


Examples of animals that fit the ADA’s definition of “service animal” because they have been specifically trained to perform a task for the person with a disability:


· Guide Dog or Seeing Eye® Dog1 is a carefully trained dog that serves as a travel tool for persons who have severe visual impairments or are blind.


· Hearing or Signal Dog is a dog that has been trained to alert a person who has a significant hearing loss or is deaf when a sound occurs, such as a knock on the door.


· Psychiatric Service Dog is a dog that has been trained to perform tasks that assist individuals with disabilities to detect the onset of psychiatric episodes and lessen their effects. Tasks performed by psychiatric service animals may include reminding the handler to take medicine, providing safety checks or room searches, or turning on lights for persons with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, interrupting self-mutilation by persons with dissociative identity disorders, and keeping disoriented individuals from danger.


· SSigDOG (sensory signal dogs or social signal dog) is a dog trained to assist a person with autism. The dog alerts the handler to distracting repetitive movements common among those with autism, allowing the person to stop the movement (e.g., hand flapping).


· Seizure Response Dog is a dog trained to assist a person with a seizure disorder. How the dog serves the person depends on the person’s needs. The dog may stand guard over the person during a seizure or the dog may go for help. A few dogs have learned to predict a seizure and warn the person in advance to sit down or move to a safe place.


Under Title II and III of the ADA, service animals are limited to dogs. However, entities must make reasonable modifications in policies to allow individuals with disabilities to use miniature horses if they have been individually trained to do work or perform tasks for individuals with disabilities.


III. Other Support or Therapy Animals
While Emotional Support Animals or Comfort Animals are often used as part of a medical treatment plan as therapy animals, they are not considered service animals under the ADA. These support animals provide companionship, relieve loneliness, and sometimes help with depression, anxiety, and certain phobias, but do not have special training to perform tasks that assist people with disabilities. Even though some states have laws defining therapy animals, these animals are not limited to working with people with disabilities and therefore are not covered by federal laws protecting the use of service animals. Therapy animals provide people with therapeutic contact, usually in a clinical setting, to improve their physical, social, emotional, and/or cognitive functioning.

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V. Handler’s Rights
a) Public Facilities and Accommodations
Titles II and III of the ADA makes it clear that service animals are allowed in public facilities and accommodations. A service animal must be allowed to accompany the handler to any place in the building or facility where members of the public, program participants, customers, or clients are allowed. Even if the business or public program has a “no pets” policy, it may not deny entry to a person with a service animal. Service animals are not pets. So, although a “no pets” policy is perfectly legal, it does not allow a business to exclude service animals.


When a person with a service animal enters a public facility or place of public accommodation, the person cannot be asked about the nature or extent of his disability. Only two questions may be asked:


1. Is the animal required because of a disability?


2. What work or task has the animal been trained to perform?


These questions should not be asked, however, if the animal’s service tasks are obvious. For example, the questions may not be asked if the dog is observed guiding an individual who is blind or has low vision, pulling a person’s wheelchair, or providing assistance with stability or balance to an individual with an observable mobility disability.4


A public accommodation or facility is not allowed to ask for documentation or proof that the animal has been certified, trained, or licensed as a service animal. Local laws that prohibit specific breeds of dogs do not apply to service animals.5


A place of public accommodation or public entity may not ask an individual with a disability to pay a surcharge, even if people accompanied by pets are required to pay fees. Entities cannot require anything of people with service animals that they do not require of individuals in general, with or without pets. If a public accommodation normally charges individuals for the damage they cause, an individual with a disability may be charged for damage caused by his or her service animal.6

They very much do make a distinction, and other support animals are NOT covered by the ADA.

https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet

[Ozzyorcborne]

Im with United on this one. Screaming snot nosed kids is bad enough. This sounds more like a plow to sue them. "Oh boo hoo mean ole united wouldnt let my special peacock friend on board herp derp, time to sue them for millions because my special space needs a ferrari in the driveway herp derp"

[Orange Joe]

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And here is the part for air travel. Notice the distinction between service animal and support animal.

f) Air TravelThe Air Carrier Access Act (ACAA) requires airlines to allow service animals and emotional support animals to accompany their handlers in the cabin of the aircraft.


Service animals – For evidence that an animal is a service animal, air carriers may ask to see identification cards, written documentation, presence of harnesses or tags, or ask for verbal assurances from the individual with a disability using the animal. If airline personnel are uncertain that an animal is a service animal, they may ask one of the following:


1. What tasks or functions does your animal perform for you?


2. What has your animal been trained to do for you?


3. Would you describe how the animal performs this task for you? 15


Emotional support and psychiatric service animals – Individuals who travel with emotional support animals or psychiatric service animals may need to provide specific documentation to establish that they have a disability and the reason the animal must travel with them. Individuals who wish to travel with their emotional support or psychiatric animals should contact the airline ahead of time to find out what kind of documentation is required.


Examples of documentation that may be requested by the airline: Current documentation (not more than one year old) on letterhead from a licensed mental health professional stating (1) the passenger has a mental health-related disability listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV); (2) having the animal accompany the passenger is necessary to the passenger’s mental health or treatment; (3) the individual providing the assessment of the passenger is a licensed mental health professional and the passenger is under his or her professional care; and (4) the date and type of the mental health professional’s license and the state or other jurisdiction in which it was issued.16 This documentation may be required as a condition of permitting the animal to accompany the passenger in the cabin..

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who are WE or UNITED to say what is allowed to be used as emotional support.


united should be taken to court for this. TOO FAR.

[kail]

Emotional support or not, it puts too much of a burdern for the plane and possibly the passengers. There comes a point where one should ask themselves "Is it really right to ask for this much accommodation at the cost of others?".

That and I see many emotion support animals simply just super loved pets.

[Ghostpanther]

They very much do make a distinction, and other support animals are NOT covered by the ADA.

https://adata.org/publication/service-animals-booklet

Well, they do it seem make a distinction. So I will grant you that. But do not overlook this part of your link.

V. Handler’s Rights
a) Public Facilities and Accommodations
Titles II and III of the ADA makes it clear that service animals are allowed in public facilities and accommodations. A service animal must be allowed to accompany the handler to any place in the building or facility where members of the public, program participants, customers, or clients are allowed. Even if the business or public program has a “no pets” policy, it may not deny entry to a person with a service animal. Service animals are not pets. So, although a “no pets” policy is perfectly legal, it does not allow a business to exclude service animals.

And this part;

Emotional support and psychiatric service animals – Individuals who travel with emotional support animals or psychiatric service animals may need to provide specific documentation to establish that they have a disability and the reason the animal must travel with them. Individuals who wish to travel with their emotional support or psychiatric animals should contact the airline ahead of time to find out what kind of documentation is required.


Examples of documentation that may be requested by the airline: Current documentation (not more than one year old) on letterhead from a licensed mental health professional stating (1) the passenger has a mental health-related disability listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV); (2) having the animal accompany the passenger is necessary to the passenger’s mental health or treatment; (3) the individual providing the assessment of the passenger is a licensed mental health professional and the passenger is under his or her professional care; and (4) the date and type of the mental health professional’s license and the state or other jurisdiction in which it was issued.16 This documentation may be required as a condition of permitting the animal to accompany the passenger in the cabin..

[ItsRainingMetal]

Emotional support peacock.

We, as a species, are fucked.

[Nathreim]

My neighbor has them. They are super loud I can see why they would ban one if it was male. If its female than they are being over the top they are much more quiet.

[Najnaj]

He said if it's more effective than medicine. Diazepam is more effective than cuddling an animal to rid yourself from anxiety, doesn't matter how much you love the animal or what comfort it provides you, diazepam is always more effective.

No he didn't. He said IF that is more effective than medication. Psychopharmacology is not always the most effective way btw. It might be the fast and easy way but that often comes at a cost. Having known a few people who take anti anxiety and anti depressive drugs I have seen that cost up close. What I am talking about is small targeted drugs with specific effects, not the sledgehammer to the face you are talking about. Who the hell recommends Valium?? Have you seen what it does to people and how addictive it is? I was given Valium by a dentist once and was rambling incoherently while not being able to stand up by myself.

[Rustedsaint]

Sounds like a cry for attention, this bird should be removed from such an unstable person.