Illegal Immigration Violence in France

[Machismo]

Might as well have a single government then if there are no borders, correct?

Peace

Why would we need a single government? I certainly dont want the same government as you, so why should we be forced to be a part of the same one?

[Deleted]

Nobody is pro UNCONTROLLED immigration, and if you's have to live under the circumstances these people have to endure, you'd be violent as well.

So if i do illegal shit you have to accept it in your country? cuz im violent? libsy please

[XDurionX]

So if i do illegal shit you have to accept it in your country? cuz im violent? libsy please

That's not what i said at all, try reading, "rightsy".

[Machismo]

So if i do illegal shit you have to accept it in your country? cuz im violent? libsy please

I'm not sure that's what the other poster is saying at all.

[unbound]

The following article is worth a read

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42912670

For anyone that is pro uncontrolled migration and wonders why there is so much push back against allowing these people in, please take a look at the pictures and tell me you would feel safe with them living next door to you

These are not refugees these are illegal immigrants in a country that helps genuine refugees, France, and yet they are perfectly willing to break the law, use violence, and now firearms, to get their own way

You really want that coming to a place near you?

Sigh.

You know what I don't want next to me? A tiny little event that apparently no one heard of called the Las Vegas shooting.

You know what else I don't want next to me? All of the school shootings (14 this year already in the US).

Yes, sometimes there are immigration problems. You know what is actually far more common? Violence by the native population.

Congratulations, you found a problem with immigrants. If you dig deeper, I'm sure you can find a dozen more articles on violence by immigrants over the past 5 years or so. Guess what though? There are hundreds of mass shootings in the US every year...and most are not actually linked to organized crime.

There is this interesting passage in a book that the vast majority of Americans claim to hold dear:

"Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye." - Matthew 7:1-5

[Allybeboba]

Why would we need a single government? I certainly dont want the same government as you, so why should we be forced to be a part of the same one?

Even if it is your “dream” form of government my friend? One man’s dreams is a another’s nightmare.
From years of experience of observation, I have learned it is just a matter of perspective.

Peace

[tikcol]

Deport the illegals at once. I would encourage their sympathisers to move out alongside them..

[Machismo]

Even if it is your “dream” form of government my friend? One man’s dreams is a another’s nightmare.
From years of experience of observation, I have learned it is just a matter of perspective.

Peace

That is why I have no desire to force my dream on others, I only expect the same in return.

[Allybeboba]

Deport the illegals at once. I would encourage their sympathisers to move out alongside them..

Another option would have them(sympathizers) volunteer to temporarily house and feed them. I am sure they could use the help.

Peace

[Enthusiastic Steward]

We have a few libertarians here who advocate no borders.

At that point its anarchism, since there are effectively no systems of any kind in place.

[Yriel]

Yes, sometimes there are immigration problems. You know what is actually far more common? Violence by the native population.

Only if you go by absolute numbers. So yes, 80 million people are doing more crimes all in all than 4 million people. But if you look at per capita statistics middle eastern/african migrants are doing much more crimes than the native population.

[Deleted]

Yes, but isn't he saying Brits don't want to pay for Euro tunnel security and let France to deal with it without financial help?(and if this is true, how they believe that brexit will solve this problem) I am confused honestly

Yes. Current UK policy tends to revolve around having and eating cakes simultaneously.

[Machismo]

At that point its anarchism, since there are effectively no systems of any kind in place.

That's also not actually true.

[Deleted]

I see what you meant. I shall rephrase. I base it on the free markets, not personal bigotries like racism and xenophobia.

As far as I'm concerned, the more free the markets, the better.

Though not uncharacteristic, the egotistical approach seems gratuitous, and kinda bugs me when I was presenting issues around the welfare of others, which require a bit of empathy.
Not to argue against any actual point, since we're probably on the same side of the aisle on this one, but I think the approach is stylistically poor.

[Machismo]

Though not uncharacteristic, the egotistical approach seems gratuitous, and kinda bugs me when I was presenting issues around the welfare of others, which require a bit of empathy.
Not to argue against any actual point, since we're probably on the same side of the aisle on this one, but I think the approach is stylistically poor.

Here's the thing about empathy when it comes to government... it's actually a selfish endeavor. I can help others, and often do, without the need of government intervention to do so. Of course, one would also hope that the government also stay out of the way when trying to help others.

I do not lack empathy, merely lack the desire to have the government be the mechanism in which I manifest it.

As for my personality failings, I'm very well aware of them. I'm also fine with them.

[AeneasBK]

we know, it's not really news. But I'm quite sure you are not french. so you wouldn't know about their standing decades old contract with their old colonies. so having these problems stems from building ghettos since 5 decades ago and not caring about it. I don't have much pity for them. also you're making elephants out of mice. "Uncontrolled" migration doesn't happen. But the word sure is loved by politicians to push some agenda.

You reap what you sow.

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Huh when did you get tired of saying cheers?

IKR Even if it struck me as ironic. I did wonder why he didn't simply make it his signature; but after time the effort to write it after each post really stood out

[Deleted]

The following article is worth a read

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42912670

For anyone that is pro uncontrolled migration and wonders why there is so much push back against allowing these people in, please take a look at the pictures and tell me you would feel safe with them living next door to you

These are not refugees these are illegal immigrants in a country that helps genuine refugees, France, and yet they are perfectly willing to break the law, use violence, and now firearms, to get their own way

You really want that coming to a place near you?

This is standard European hooligan culture.

[Kivana]

I am not sure I understand. You are saying that security problem lies on shoulders on country, from where immigrants are coming and not where they are coming?

What I mean and I think you do too is this, we shouldn't have to pay to reinforce France's security on THEIR end of the tunnel. We should spend it over here, on our side where the migrants in France are trying to get to.

[Maybach]

What I mean and I think you do too is this, we shouldn't have to pay to reinforce France's security on THEIR end of the tunnel. We should spend it over here, on our side where the migrants in France are trying to get to.

The problem then is once they are "here" it can take years to send illegal immigrants home, if it can be done at all

Plus you have the added cost of the legal process that they can drag out all the way to the European Court of Human Rights..

Thats money that would be better spent on dealing with genuine refugees

[AeneasBK]

THe jungle in Calais has been around almost as long as I have, Frances official stance I think was "if they riot we can send in the army" which is, again I think, the same attitude they have to all of their unhappy citizens except the taxi drivers (for some reason)