Two students shot; one in critical condition. 12-year old girl in custody

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Wonder how many are required for something to happen. A thousand dead kids a year?

Well in 2016 (last year stats are available) there were over 10,000 traffic fatalities involving alcohol and there is still pushback any time you try to bring up stricter penalties for drunk drivers. And that's not even in the Constitution.

The 2nd Amendment needs to be reworked into something actually meaningful (as currently written people use it as an excuse for carte blanche gun ownership when that interpretation is clearly already invalid) and the group of people who go into a frothing screaming insanity at the slightest mention of even discussion of gun legislation need to shut the fuck up and sit quietly.

[Belize]

Yeah, okay. Its not like guns are brought into this country illegally through the southern border everyday. An outright ban only screws the good people with guns.

Canada has a southern border with a country filled with gun maniacs.

Doesn't mean guns are flowing into Canada, with dozens of school shootings per year.

[noidentity]

Los Angeles school shooting by girl, 12, 'was unintentional'

A shooting by a 12-year-old girl at a Californian school is thought to be unintentional, Los Angeles police say.

The girl has been charged with "negligent discharge of a firearm" after the incident left five injured.

A 15-year-old boy, who was shot in the head, and a 15-year-old girl, who was shot in the wrist, are both in a stable condition and are expected to make a full recovery.

A semi-automatic handgun was recovered at the scene.

It happened at 08:55 local time (16:55 GMT) on Thursday at Salvador Castro Middle School in the Westlake district.

An 11-year-old boy, a 12-year-old girl and a 30-year-old woman sustained minor injuries but were not shot directly.

A student who was at the classroom at the time told ABC News that he believed the girl thought the weapon was a toy gun and "didn't mean to" shoot anyone.

Apparently she thought it was fake with still doesn't make munch sense because of how many shots she fired, panic shots or now.

[AeneasBK]

You whacky Americans What will you come up with next?

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An outright ban only screws the good people with guns.

I love this argument especially

[FurryRedVixen]

What is weird to me, is why people just say, outlaw guns. Now i am all for dreaming of a pleasant and appealing state of being where well wishes and good intentions outweigh the bad, but you need to look at two things when saying that statement, geographical location and the political movement that lead to the amendment, the right to bare arms.

So lets tackle the second one first.

This goes way back to the early colonial and settlement time periods of early US. Where robbery, theft, and land hopping was common, as well as murder in the frontier states. So when they were trying to write up the constitution and fresh after dealing with the British war for freedom, one of the major arguing points was the right for its citizens to protect themselves and their property, now at that time Indians, roving bands of outlaws and the like were not uncommon so the right to bare arms was a big point. So they ratified it, and from then on its been tweaked and changed as technology in firearms has advanced. Because at that time the only weapons were mostly gun powder barrel loaded rifles, with cartridge based firearms being relatively new. Relative being 10 or years give or take, of that era. So with that being said, when an action is part of the basis of that governments founding rule and law, it can be seen as a relative sticking point as to why guns are in the country. (This aside from the rules and regulations that were put on after the fact, which we do need better vetting processes and certifications to own high powered, or semi automatic weaponry, hell CPR users have to re-certify every 6 months to be able to save peoples lives, should we not at least have yearly certifications to be a responsible gun owner?)

Now to the first reason. This is mainly aimed at those people over the pond in the British isles, with their holier then though attitude of we dont have guns etc, that is mostly true but you now have roaming gangs wielding machetes murdering and robbing people, plus that scary as hell acid attack concern going around. Though that being said, you live on an island, a large one, but an island never the less. So as such over the many many years that has garnered a more secure and controlled environment for not having a proliferation of guns, not only as commonality but also as a society norm. I have seen many British or over the pond people view guns with suspicious or negative concerns. I attribute this to how that society as a whole looks upon firearms and has fostered that behavior from a very early stage of their society. Now moving from a geographically based society to more of the land mass as a whole, the US is damn big people, it borders two larger land masses both north and south, and that it self has their own society based around the acceptance of firearms. From the environment forcing the need to protect yourself, to more volatile social climates, the reason why the us can not just ban all guns, is pretty apparent.

Plus that statement, while happy go feeling it is, is just ignorant.

[Allybeboba]

Someone explain to me why guns are legal and so many Americans own guns. This shit will keep happening until guns are outlawed from citizens.

Drugs being illegal doesn’t stop people from taking them does it?

Peace

[Minikin]

#14 of the year.

wow has it already been 14?

We havent even hit mid february yet!

[DrMcNinja]

Yeah, okay. Its not like guns are brought into this country illegally through the southern border everyday. An outright ban only screws the good people with guns.

And where I live people could also access guns if they really wanted. But at least we don't have children murdering each other at school.

[tankbug]

Make guns illegal and no shootings should occur Except by cops.

Cops won't have that much excuse to unloading their guns on people if the norm is that the criminals aren't armed with guns. Maybe they won't be as nervous either, and more crooks will end up in jail instead of the morgue.

[The Purple Galaxy]

Yeah, okay. Its not like guns are brought into this country illegally through the southern border everyday. An outright ban only screws the good people with guns.

Most of these people that call for gun control are on a politically charged crusade to "end gun violence" but in reality it's just a excuse to banned guns. Most people that call for gun control( Banning firearms) in america are either hard left or don't even live in this country. It's simply seen as a political pillar of the right and has been warped so that even if it was an issue even then nothing could be done to prevent this , I always find it so ironic that these hard left liberals want to ban our guns and then say we can't build a wall for protection? MEXICO is DANGEROUS - MEXICO has their OWN SOUTHERN WALL because its even more dangerous. We focus too much on MS-13 as a problem, its the cartels that are a problem, THEY RUN PARTS OF MEXICO they are the main source of crime. Now would I advocate for us helping mexico clean up its streets? Hell yeah. ( But we have our own crime issues on our streets) but that would require them to drain their own festering political swamp due to corrupted politicians but I digress the real issues here is this a parenting issue or a mental health issue. or even a cultural issue? Maybe one could argue those arguments are just deflection but why did this become a thing in the past 20 years rather not in the 50's-90's? The news media plays these stories on national news, does reporting on every school related shooting influence other school shooting? Has a cultural domino effect started or are these just cherry picked stories for sensation and ratings? Why does nobody talk about Detroit and Compton?

[AeneasBK]

Drugs being illegal doesn’t stop people from taking them does it?

Peace

Yes it does. It doesn't stop EVERYONE from doing them; sure. But you honestly gonna sit there and pretend there aren't loads of people who won't try drugs because they are illegal? Because I think that's false; but hey, attitudes may be different over there

[Demona3]

Targeted attack, not random, bullying victim revenge, next!

That was my thought exactly as well. We just recently had a story that came across as a boy who got beat up after school who was threatened during the day. He went to his coach and told him and the coach said he "had his back". Coach didn't notify anyone, nor did he help escort or even help the boy after school.

And even closer to home...with my oldest:
Last year, my oldest got threatened by someone in her class saying "if you sit next to me on the bus, I will make you dead". This scared the living shit out my daughter. She was already being harassed by this kid, now he threatened to kill her. I immediately went and told her teacher, to which, the teacher said she needed to have a witness to what was said, and my daughter said she did, and she brought the boy who witnessed it. He told her teacher, yeah, the kid said it to her and has been non-stop picking on her.
So the teacher informed me that she would be going to the principal that day to inform her of the situation and see how to handle it further. Well, it was Friday, so when we got back to school Monday, I asked my daughter's teacher as to what was said, and her words, I shit you not was "oh, I forgot". I looked at her and said, how in the HELL do you forget about my kid getting threatened with her life?
I immediately went up to the principal's office and told her of the situation. I told her either she can handle it, or I will.
The kid was reprimanded and removed from the the classroom in an attempt of "separation". Didn't work, the kid still picked on her, so I waited for them after school one day, off school grounds with an officer friend. We pulled the kid off to the side as he started walking home and I told him (with the police officer by my side), if you ever bother or threaten my daughter again, my friend here (the police officer), will gladly take him to jail. Then the officer spoke with him. Basically, the fear of God was put into him. Needless to say, he never bothered my daughter again, he doesn't even look at her.

This is what needs to be done - if parents of children don't step in to intervene with their children, then you as a parent need to step up and intervene. Especially at younger ages. Parents today just don't give a shit what they do or what goes on, and sadly, this leads to disaster. The worst part is, schools aren't doing their jobs either. It's a double-edged sword at this point.

[Karlz0rz]

Why are cars legal? People will keep getting into accidents and murdering innocent men, women, and children. We must outlaw motorized vehicles!

Why are tide pods legal? People will keep biting into them causing illnesses and death. We must outlaw candy-shaped detergent!

It's not the tool, it's the sick/stupid/careless people using said tools.

Cars are designed to help. It's a net positive on society.
Tide pods are designed to help. It's a net positive to society.
Guns on the other hand, have one function. Want to take a guess what it is? It's not to bring people back to life.

[Ghostpanther]

Yes it does. It doesn't stop EVERYONE from doing them; sure. But you honestly gonna sit there and pretend there aren't loads of people who won't try drugs because they are illegal? Because I think that's false; but hey, attitudes may be different over there

We have a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. So yeah, our attitude is going to be different. lol!

In this case, it seems to be clear ( unless there is info I am not aware of ) laws were broken and as such, those who are guilty should be punished. And also, as I have repeatly have stated, bullying at schools needs to be addressed by the school districts and failure to do so can lead to death's.

[Lahis]

Just another Thursday.

[sarahtasher]

Most of these people that call for gun control are on a politically charged crusade to "end gun violence" but in reality it's just a excuse to banned guns. Most people that call for gun control( Banning firearms) in america are either hard left or don't even live in this country. It's simply seen as a political pillar of the right and has been warped so that even if it was an issue even then nothing could be done to prevent this , I always find it so ironic that these hard left liberals want to ban our guns and then say we can't build a wall for protection? MEXICO is DANGEROUS - MEXICO has their OWN SOUTHERN WALL because its even more dangerous. We focus too much on MS-13 as a problem, its the cartels that are a problem, THEY RUN PARTS OF MEXICO they are the main source of crime. Now would I advocate for us helping mexico clean up its streets? Hell yeah. ( But we have our own crime issues on our streets) but that would require them to drain their own festering political swamp due to corrupted politicians but I digress the real issues here is this a parenting issue or a mental health issue. or even a cultural issue? Maybe one could argue those arguments are just deflection but why did this become a thing in the past 20 years rather not in the 50's-90's? The news media plays these stories on national news, does reporting on every school related shooting influence other school shooting? Has a cultural domino effect started or are these just cherry picked stories for sensation and ratings? Why does nobody talk about Detroit and Compton?

Actually, the entire world short of the gun nuts find that people stockpiling assault rifles ''to fight the gubinment'' have serious mental health issues. Then again, even the actual Nazis are left wing for Alex Jones and co.

[Karlz0rz]

Guns are also designed to help, and they serve more than one function...care to take a guess as to what they are? Or are you going to continue to bury your head in the sand and play dumb.

Help who? The people being killed?
I mean, sure you could argue that you are helping under certain circumstances by killing people..
But the main design of a gun, is to kill. The main design of a car isn't to kill, you know?

[sarahtasher]

Doesn't she know schools are gun-free zones? Tsk tsk.

Yeah, if only a 12 years old had popped his big manly and holy Glock and fired in the classroom too, that would have been so much helpful.

[AeneasBK]

We have a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. So yeah, our attitude is going to be different. lol!

We were talking about drugs though.

[sarahtasher]

No, the point was that she should've known that the school was gun-free and never have brought it on school grounds in the first place.

For the entire world, the concept that there are places for having weapons and place for not having weapons is fracking basic.