Trump authorizes release of disputed GOP-Nunes Memo

[mvaliz]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/02/polit...emo/index.html

House Republicans, with the approval of President Donald Trump, on Friday released a disputed GOP intelligence memo that alleges FBI abuses of its surveillance authority.

The highly controversial memo from the GOP and Rep. Devin Nunes alleges that then-Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe told the House Intelligence Committee that no surveillance warrant would have been sought for a Trump campaign aide without the Steele dossier.

The memo's release threatens to further fracture the frayed relationship between the President and his Justice Department and intelligence community, both of which opposed the release of the document, which is based on classified intelligence. The FBI issued a rare public warning on Wednesday that the memo omits key information that could impact its veracity.

I figure we should start this as a separate thread as this is a major event that shouldn't be spread across three random threads.

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Of course, my opinion this is an absolute disgrace and abuse of power by Dumbass Donnie Deplorable Dump out of fear for his own skin, and that the GOP is scared shitless that they will lose power/face so they double down on the stupid.

This is beyond sick that the GOP would release an GOP opinion piece to jeopardize the FBI, while simultaneously deliberately silencing the equivalent DEM Opinion Piece.

If Dumbass Dump gets away with this and enough of the American populace lets him convince you the FBI is bad, then that's the end of America. We will become basically Russia - rule of law where the King/Czar is above the law, and can overthrow and dismiss everything. It would be as Dump himself said so long ago, he could shoot somebody in the street and people would still elect him.

[Breccia]

Memo in its full form. Axios summarizes:

What the memo alleges:

The dossier authored by Christopher Steele was "an essential part" of the FBI and the Justice Department's justification for conducting electronic surveillance of Carter Page.

It also notes the dossier was funded by the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Steele said he was "desperate that Donald Trump not get elected."

This "clear evidence of Steele's bias" wasn't reflected in any of the applications to authorize the electronic surveillance.

So...yep, just what everyone said. Nunes believes the dossier was enough of the reason to monitor Team Trump, that it was the poison tree from which we have so much fruit. Ignoring, of course, all those other things Team Trump did with the Russians, including directly hiring them.

Further note: even if the dossier was 100% biased, there is a difference between "biased" and "false". I'm liberal as fuck and I still cite my sources.

[alexw]

Memo in its full form. Axios summarizes:



So...yep, just what everyone said. Nunes believes the dossier was enough of the reason to monitor Team Trump, that it was the poison tree from which we have so much fruit. Ignoring, of course, all those other things Team Trump did with the Russians, including directly hiring them.

Further note: even if the dossier was 100% biased, there is a difference between "biased" and "false". I'm liberal as fuck and I still cite my sources.

Yeah its complete bull**** from Nunes. The reality is Steele found out about how compromised Trump was/is and because of that was desperate to stop Trump. I can't see how on earth that is bias. I mean if you or I found out about someone planning a murder are we biased if we are desperate to stop him/her carrying it out?
The argument put forward is laughably ludicrous. The Trumpist mouth breather base will swallow it whole though. They are too dumb and too sheep like to think for themselves even if they had any desire to which they don't.

[mvaliz]

Memo in its full form. Axios summarizes:

I just love how they deliberatly left out that the dossier was originally funded by Conservatives - just focusing on HILLARY

So...yep, just what everyone said. Nunes believes the dossier was enough of the reason to monitor Team Trump, that it was the poison tree from which we have so much fruit. Ignoring, of course, all those other things Team Trump did with the Russians, including directly hiring them.

Further note: even if the dossier was 100% biased, there is a difference between "biased" and "false". I'm liberal as fuck and I still cite my sources.

A wonderful point and showcases the differences.

[primalmatter]

Its amazing how he keeps winning isn't?

Its like watching a magicians trick

[Breccia]

Oh, something else I'd like to add. There are two major points that Trump's rabid fanbase have been trying to push:

A) The Steele dossier led to the investigation, and it is biased; therefore, by removing the sole source of the investigation, we must remove the investigation
B) Everything Manafort did illegally with the Russians was before Trump hired him.

Because, big surprise of course, you can't defend both. If Trump hired someone who had worked illegally with the Russians, then the dossier wasn't the only problem, and the investigation continues.

I do like how the memo tries to call Steele an unreliable source of information, chastised by the FBI -- which he was, for talking about secret investigation stuff, in October. That's one hell of a cart in front of that horse.

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So what, in the memo, is new? Steele dossier funding, Steele didn't want Trump elected, FBI texts, I mean, this is all old news. Where's the fresh stuff?

[draynay]

Probably gonna be the only thread on the subject that I can see since people who constantly lied until I put them on ignore make the other ones.

[primalmatter]

It's funny too me that this all guys have left. Drive by shit posting that offers nothing to the conversation. For example, would to care to offer how this is some "bombshell" that is going to change anything? How about telling us what in here is new? Anything?

You assume a level of interest that isn't there. I assume its something pointless that will amount to nothing like everything else involving talking about trump but its fun to see the moral grandstanding.

[GennGreymane]

So apparently its nothing?
Cant wait for those who thought it would be a big game changer say "yeah I knew it was nothing all along"... wait I already see one of them.

[Everwake]

By this evening, the spin from both sides will be firmly in place. The left will call it nothing, the right will call it a bombshell. Then the Democrat rebuttal memo will be released, both sides will switch roles, and in the end nothing will change.

[GennGreymane]

By this evening, the spin from both sides will be firmly in place. The left will call it nothing, the right will call it a bombshell. Then the Democrat rebuttal memo will be released, both sides will switch roles, and in the end nothing will change.

Thats my man. You hit the nail on the head. Wanna watch certain posters switch sides with me?

[mvaliz]

You assume a level of interest that isn't there. I assume its something pointless that will amount to nothing like everything else involving talking about trump but its fun to see the moral grandstanding.

...four convictions and 2 guilty pleas of his closest campaign aids/appointees is, so far, nothing involving talking about Trump?

Clearly you're for the dissolution of law in America so that your God-Emperor can piss off people for your own amusement. Thank you for clarifying your deplorableness, and welcome to my ignore list. You were long overdue for that anyways...

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By this evening, the spin from both sides will be firmly in place. The left will call it nothing, the right will call it a bombshell. Then the Democrat rebuttal memo will be released, both sides will switch roles, and in the end nothing will change.

...you know the GOP has deliberately blocked that from being released, right?

EDIT: also, how would they switch sides!? The Dems will want the FBI discredited and the GOP will want Dumbass Dump's investigation into Obstruction, Collustion, Corruption and other charges to continue unobstructed!? o_O

[Breccia]

The left will call it nothing, the right will call it a bombshell. Then the Democrat rebuttal memo will be released, both sides will switch roles, and in the end nothing will change.

I'll be happy to call the Democrat's version a "bombshell" if it contains shit we didn't already know. Preferably, relevant shit.

But this? This isn't worth rebutting. It's old news. And while it makes an attempt to defend one-quarter of the people indicted so far -- Carter Page -- because the Steele dossier was funded by Clinton some of the time, they neglect the part where -- and yes, I'm not the first to mention this -- Carter Page was under scrutiny since 2013 and has been doing questionable shit with the Russians for years before the Steele dossier.

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...you know the GOP has deliberately blocked that from being released, right?

Senate yes, House no. They might, but they haven't yet.

[primalmatter]

...four convictions and 2 guilty pleas of his closest campaign aids/appointees is, so far, nothing involving talking about Trump?

Clearly you're for the dissolution of law in America so that your God-Emperor can piss off people for your own amusement. Thank you for clarifying your deplorableness, and welcome to my ignore list. You were long overdue for that anyways...

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...you know the GOP has deliberately blocked that from being released, right?

EDIT: also, how would they switch sides!? The Dems will want the FBI discredited and the GOP will want Dumbass Dump's investigation into Obstruction, Collustion, Corruption and other charges to continue unobstructed!? o_O

I guess? Why make a point of putting someone on ignore? Is it some new righteous badge?

[mvaliz]

Senate yes, House no. They might, but they haven't yet.

Pffft... even if that was to happen that enough of the sellout-of-a-Senate GOPers would allow it through, you really think Fukwit "Fake News!" Frump is going to pass it? You know he's going to simply call it "Fake News", not release it, and call the Democrats liars for trying to spread fake news.

[anesmith]

I find it fascinating that one can completely ignore obvious abuses by a federal law enforcement agency, as to rights all U.S. citizens are entitled, simply because you are so intensely dedicated to liberal philosophy and your unwavering hatred of Donald Trump. Trump has done some good things, he has done some bad things, mainly he is embarrassing as a world leader most of the time, but that's not what's at issue here. This is Gestapo stuff! This is the Gestapo deciding who should and should not be our President and taking partisan actions to influence that outcome. You are all 100% entitled to your opinions, of course, but don't let your hatred of Twitter and Chief blind you from how scary this situation is. This doesn't need to be swept under the rug as a political gain stunt, it needs to be put on full display to the American people, investigated and people held accountable, so it never happens again!

Those of you who say this is nothing wouldn't be saying that if it happened to you or someone you care about....

[Machismo]

I find it fascinating that one can completely ignore obvious abuses by a federal law enforcement agency, as to rights all U.S. citizens are entitled, simply because you are so intensely dedicated to liberal philosophy and your unwavering hatred of Donald Trump. Trump has done some good things, he has done some bad things, mainly he is embarrassing as a world leader most of the time, but that's not what's at issue here. This is Gestapo stuff! This is the Gestapo deciding who should and should not be our President and taking partisan actions to influence that outcome. You are all 100% entitled to your opinions, of course, but don't let your hatred of Twitter and Chief blind you from how scary this situation is. This doesn't need to be swept under the rug as a political gain stunt, it needs to be put on full display to the American people, investigated and people held accountable, so it never happens again!

Those of you who say this is nothing wouldn't be saying that if it happened to you or someone you care about....

Exactly what do you think this is evidence of?

they have not released the FISA information behind it. This is a memo written by a known Trump shill and the White House. It has about as much credibility as when Obama, Hillary and Rice tried to say that the attack in Benghazi was about a video.

[-Nurot]

I find it fascinating that one can completely ignore obvious abuses by a federal law enforcement agency, as to rights all U.S. citizens are entitled, simply because you are so intensely dedicated to liberal philosophy and your unwavering hatred of Donald Trump. Trump has done some good things, he has done some bad things, mainly he is embarrassing as a world leader most of the time, but that's not what's at issue here. This is Gestapo stuff! This is the Gestapo deciding who should and should not be our President and taking partisan actions to influence that outcome. You are all 100% entitled to your opinions, of course, but don't let your hatred of Twitter and Chief blind you from how scary this situation is. This doesn't need to be swept under the rug as a political gain stunt, it needs to be put on full display to the American people, investigated and people held accountable, so it never happens again!

Those of you who say this is nothing wouldn't be saying that if it happened to you or someone you care about....

This is an unverified memo, written by a man intentionally trying to misdirect Mueller's investigation. His entire position on the committee has been attempt after attempt to investigate, the Obama administration, the DOJ, the FBI, Mueller and anything other than the committees original purpose. A one side memo from him to discredit the FBI is in no way surprising. Nunes should be investigated himself.

Carter Page has been in the cross hairs of the intelligence community ever since 2013 when SVR (Russian Spy agency) tried to recruit him.

When the FISA renewal was continued on Carter Page under Rod Rodenstein (A Trump appointee) all credence to any whining has dissipated.

We should be pleased the memo was released though, it serves as another example of Trump's to obstruct justice.

[anesmith]

Exactly what do you think this is evidence of?

they have not released the FISA information behind it. This is a memo written by a known Trump shill and the White House. It has about as much credibility as when Obama, Hillary and Rice tried to say that the attack in Benghazi was about a video.

I can't say.... I know that sounds silly, but I work for a certain agency in DC and more is coming out soon. The FBI is sweating bullets and should be. Hold on, a black helicopter just landed on our roof and six men dressed in all black are knocking on my door.

Deepthroat out

[Moralgy]

So did we find out anything at all from it? The bombshell that has been talked about for a while now must have been exciting right?