Main thread: No Zandalari Paladins?

[Volitar]

I think its dumb, but instead Blizzard would rather play it safe instead of letting people have some fun.

[NoiseTank13]

I think its dumb, but instead Blizzard would rather play it safe instead of letting people have some fun.

It boggles my mind that this is the part of the game where they suddenly want to "play it safe."

[Vasaru]

What point exactly? You're blinded by bias if you think all the complaints are completely unjustified.

[Chromu]

THIS is laughable, they don't fit the human paladin style, they are their own order and have their own lore of the class

WoW paladin is not only about silver hand human paladins.

This is what makes wow a crap lore wise.

Warcraft paladins are the silver hand paladins, rest is bullshit made up to give horde paladins. All back to TBC with that "blood knight lolmode", passing to the sun cows and, now, the Trolls....

The worst part of WoW lore is just to give the horde or the alliance something they shouldn't have because people think they are entitled to it.

People who claim vanilla, vanilla horde had no paladin.
People use random mobs with paladin-themed skills, blizzard was lazy to implement unique themes - but no, they are paladins, look their skill!
People link the wowpedia Freethinkers and ... LOL... don't even read what is written there: no mention of light, of paladins.
People say "zandalari are great noble blabla bla" = hey pal, in MOP they aren´t that honourable or noble.. or maybe those weren't the true Zandalari?
And now... they aren´t that kind of paladins, so they are what? Weedadins under Rastakhan?


People just ignore facts:
There is NO REAL MENTION anywhere that trolls worship the light - even the Ashbringer one was retconned.
People are making up that zandalari are noble races - something Cataclysm and MOP showed to be made up by blind fans.

And gameplay wise:

Trolls can already be 10 different classes. This is FACT. If Zandalaris get Paladins, trolls can be all classes except the hero class DH. So, how would you balance that?

The horde got 6 shaman races, alliance has 3.
The horde got 4 druid races, alliance got 2 - and druids are night elven root class, but became an horde abundant...
The alliance got 5 paladins (if DI is confirmed), horde has 2.

So, if you want Zandalari Paladins, the alliance must gain one druid and one shaman. So the special snowflakes classes even out.

But hell, it is the horde, FOR THE LOL!

[Traveler Voltin]

stop whiny about balance.

[Ainyan]

The horde got 6 shaman races, alliance has 3.
The horde got 4 druid races, alliance got 2 - and druids are night elven root class, but became an horde abundant...
The alliance got 5 paladins (if DI is confirmed), horde has 2.

So, if you want Zandalari Paladins, the alliance must gain one druid and one shaman. So the special snowflakes classes even out.

1) Alliance has 2 shaman races: Dwarf and Draenei. Even Dark Irons can't be shaman (despite the fact that there are TONS of NPC DI shaman running around). Oh, well, I guess Pandaran, but that makes it 7/3 horde/alliance, so same basic ratio.
2) I'd be fine with Zandalari or Highmountain Paladins if Dark Irons can have shaman/priest (both of which exist in lore). I'm even completely fine without Dark Iron paladins, because thematically that makes no sense.

I've always felt a little bad for Alliance Shaman and Horde Paladins - they each only have two races they can choose. Forsaken (!) should be able to be paladins, and Dark Iron Dwarves should be able to be shaman. Blizzard should have used this as a way to redress an injustice done to two core classes by limiting their options so drastically - instead, they're merely perpetuating it by offering up some excellent alternatives for every other class, while telling these two faction/class combinations to get bent. It's not like every class has to be like warriors or hunters, but they should have SOME choice in race.

[Zulmalakk]

well, i got a huge reason for leave wow now. Zandalari paladins have existed since forever, bye blizz.

[chiddie]

good decision, now just remove paladins from the Horde to make it better.

Agreed and signed.

[Chromu]

1) Alliance has 2 shaman races: Dwarf and Draenei. Even Dark Irons can't be shaman (despite the fact that there are TONS of NPC DI shaman running around).
2) I'd be fine with Zandalari or Highmountain Paladins if Dark Irons can have shaman/priest (both of which exist in lore). I'm even completely fine without Dark Iron paladins, because thematically that makes no sense.

I've always felt a little bad for Alliance Shaman and Horde Paladins - they each only have two races they can choose. Forsaken (!) should be able to be paladins, and Dark Iron Dwarves should be able to be shaman. Blizzard should have used this as a way to redress an injustice done to two core classes by limiting their options so drastically - instead, they're merely perpetuating it by offering up some excellent alternatives for every other class, while telling these two faction/class combinations to get bent. It's not like every class has to be like warriors or hunters, but they should have SOME choice in race.

You forgot pandas... they can be shamans for both side. Removing them it would be 5 x2 (same proportion for paladins with dark iron).

Gimme gnome druid or gnome shaman and the can have their zandalari loladin.

[Missed]

This is what makes wow a crap lore wise.

Warcraft paladins are the silver hand paladins, rest is bullshit made up to give horde paladins. All back to TBC with that "blood knight lolmode", passing to the sun cows and, now, the Trolls....

The worst part of WoW lore is just to give the horde or the alliance something they shouldn't have because people think they are entitled to it.

People who claim vanilla, vanilla horde had no paladin.
People use random mobs with paladin-themed skills, blizzard was lazy to implement unique themes - but no, they are paladins, look their skill!
People link the wowpedia Freethinkers and ... LOL... don't even read what is written there: no mention of light, of paladins.
People say "zandalari are great noble blabla bla" = hey pal, in MOP they aren´t that honourable or noble.. or maybe those weren't the true Zandalari?
And now... they aren´t that kind of paladins, so they are what? Weedadins under Rastakhan?


People just ignore facts:
There is NO REAL MENTION anywhere that trolls worship the light - even the Ashbringer one was retconned.
People are making up that zandalari are noble races - something Cataclysm and MOP showed to be made up by blind fans.

And gameplay wise:

Trolls can already be 10 different classes. This is FACT. If Zandalaris get Paladins, trolls can be all classes except the hero class DH. So, how would you balance that?

The horde got 6 shaman races, alliance has 3.
The horde got 4 druid races, alliance got 2 - and druids are night elven root class, but became an horde abundant...
The alliance got 5 paladins (if DI is confirmed), horde has 2.

So, if you want Zandalari Paladins, the alliance must gain one druid and one shaman. So the special snowflakes classes even out.

But hell, it is the horde, FOR THE LOL!

Right ok so you're suggestion is what, individualy name each skill for each class for each race? Or perhaps you're telling me both night Elf warriors and orc warriors are taught "heroic strike"? Both tauren hunters and blood Elf hunters are taught the exact same skills in the exact same way with the exact same name? No theyre not. Each race should have differently named skills for each class. Obviously that's bullshit and can't happen so yeah sunwalkers and silver hand are both paladins and use their own version of the light.
Which is exactly what zandalari priests do. And considering the role zandalari priesthood plays in their society, zandalari paladins make a perfect fit. Not TROLL paladins. Zandalari paladins.

[Chromu]

Right ok so you're suggestion is what, individualy name each skill for each class for each race? Or perhaps you're telling me both night Elf warriors and orc warriors are taught "heroic strike"? Both tauren hunters and blood Elf hunters are taught the exact same skills in the exact same way with the exact same name? No theyre not. Each race should have differently named skills for each class. Obviously that's bullshit and can't happen so yeah sunwalkers and silver hand are both paladins and use their own version of the light.
Which is exactly what zandalari priests do. And considering the role zandalari priesthood plays in their society, zandalari paladins make a perfect fit. Not TROLL paladins. Zandalari paladins.

You asked for facts....

And... short memory... Blood Elves paladin had different names for some of their skills...seal of blood, seal of corruption etc...

"Not TROLL paladins. Zandalari paladins".

i quit here...

[Missed]

You asked for facts....

And... short memory... Blood Elves paladin had different names for some of their skills...seal of blood, seal of corruption etc...

"Not TROLL paladins. Zandalari paladins".

i quit here...

If you don't understand the substantial difference between darkspears and zandalari you should quit.

[Syegfryed]

This is what makes wow a crap lore wise. !

just because you don't like it, didn't mean don't make sense or is crap

again: stop being blind, wow lore is not just vanila lore, things change and grow as we discover new things and new places

Paladin is not only human centric and shamans are not just orc centric since TBC, blizzard already said to use the light only need faith to do so, stop being a little BabyRage

and yes there is real mention of zandalari using the light, real mobs, using real skills based in their loas, is a order of paladins who followed Zul, you can stillive in denial however.

You didn't prove shit with this "gameplay" reasons

you wanna talk about balance? all races of the alliance can be mages and priests, and they just get one more priest and more mage now, if you care so much about balance why don't complaint about that? why only bitch about your own side?

alliance is getting one more paladin one more shaman, staying with 4 shamans while the horde only 2 paladins, its not the fucking end of the world to then get one more to dilute the elf population.

(imba mages and priests don't count, because i don't want to"

[Ainyan]

alliance is getting one more paladin one more shaman, staying with 4 shamans while the horde only 2 paladins, its not the fucking end of the world to then get one more to dilute the elf population.

Alliance didn't get another shaman. None of the three allied races can be shamans. They have three races that can be shamans to the Horde seven (or two and six if you discount the shared Pandaren), vs the Alliance five that can be paladin (four if Dark Iron is not confirmed to be paladin, which is not in the files right now despite Ion's quote) to the Horde two.

For reference: Shaman - Dwarf, Draenei, Pandaren / Orc, Troll, Tauren, Goblin, Pandaren, Zandalari, Highmountain
Paladin - Human, Dwarf, Draenei, Lightforged, (Dark Iron) / Blood Elf, Tauren

To expand on odd lore gaps in the race/class combos: Dark Iron Dwarves have a history of shamans and priests, but can be neither, nor do the game files show they can be paladins despite Ion stating that they can. They can, however, be monks and, apparently, Death Knights, because somehow that makes any real sense at all. The Zandalari have a history of wielding the Light but while they can be priests, they cannot be paladins, despite having a lore-based order.

The fact is, both the Alliance Shamans and the Horde Paladins got pretty raw deals. The Horde didn't get any new paladin classes and their paladins remain limited to elves and cows, while the Alliance are still stuck with dwarves and goats. However, if Blizz wakes up, at least the Horde paladins have the potential of an additional racial choice. The Alliance will still be stuck with dwarves and goats.

[George Costanza]

If they give us a fucking beyond stupid cuck race like vulpera and give them paladins and what not but dont give us zandalari paladins, They can go fuck themselves as far as I care.

[Merryck]

No alliance druids?

[Syegfryed]

Alliance didn't get another shaman.

its like 99% confirmed that dark iron will be Shamans

if they don't it will be the same bullshit as zandalari don't getting paladins

both make totally sense, and are cool additions to the game/lore

[Al Gorefiend]

good decision, now just remove paladins from blood elves to make it better.

Fixed that for ya.

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its like 99% confirmed that dark iron will be Shamans

Possible but I doubt it. Dwarf shaman canonically are just wildhammer dwarves.

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This is what makes wow a crap lore wise.

Warcraft paladins are the silver hand paladins, rest is bullshit made up to give horde paladins. All back to TBC with that "blood knight lolmode", passing to the sun cows and, now, the Trolls....

The worst part of WoW lore is just to give the horde or the alliance something they shouldn't have because people think they are entitled to it.

People who claim vanilla, vanilla horde had no paladin.
People use random mobs with paladin-themed skills, blizzard was lazy to implement unique themes - but no, they are paladins, look their skill!
People link the wowpedia Freethinkers and ... LOL... don't even read what is written there: no mention of light, of paladins.
People say "zandalari are great noble blabla bla" = hey pal, in MOP they aren´t that honourable or noble.. or maybe those weren't the true Zandalari?
And now... they aren´t that kind of paladins, so they are what? Weedadins under Rastakhan?


People just ignore facts:
There is NO REAL MENTION anywhere that trolls worship the light - even the Ashbringer one was retconned.
People are making up that zandalari are noble races - something Cataclysm and MOP showed to be made up by blind fans.

And gameplay wise:

Trolls can already be 10 different classes. This is FACT. If Zandalaris get Paladins, trolls can be all classes except the hero class DH. So, how would you balance that?

The horde got 6 shaman races, alliance has 3.
The horde got 4 druid races, alliance got 2 - and druids are night elven root class, but became an horde abundant...
The alliance got 5 paladins (if DI is confirmed), horde has 2.

So, if you want Zandalari Paladins, the alliance must gain one druid and one shaman. So the special snowflakes classes even out.

But hell, it is the horde, FOR THE LOL!

Why do you think it's impossible for a race to learn something?

Do you think a race gets down on their knees and worships the Light, then some Naaru descends down and says "Oh shit, you uuugly, you ain't no Paladin brah".

Nothing about Paladin makes it an unteachable class. It's not like Demon Hunter or Druid where it's something only few races possess the ability to master it. All a Paladin stands for is something any race with a brain and moral compass can take on.

Only race that couldn't possibly be a Paladin is Forsaken.

[Ainyan]

its like 99% confirmed that dark iron will be Shamans

if they don't it will be the same bullshit as zandalari don't getting paladins

both make totally sense, and are cool additions to the game/lore

I'd love to see this confirmation, because the data pulled from the GAME FILES shows that Dark Iron Dwarves can be the following classes: Death Knight, Hunter, Mage, Monk, Rogue, Warlock, and Warrior. The game files do not show the following, despite heavy NPC presence: Priest and Shaman. The game files do not show the following, despite Ion's interview: Paladin.

You're right, thematically, lore-wise, Dark Iron Shaman make absolute sense. They exist in NPC form, they exist in lore. However, right now, the race is not flagged for this class.

Only race that couldn't possibly be a Paladin is Forsaken.

Actually, if there are holy priest Forsaken, there's no reason there can't be Forsaken paladins. The whole 'they're undead so the light would reject them' is difficult to swallow if a Forsaken can call upon it to heal and ward their allies. Additionally, the lore even supports the idea of a paladin retaining his connection to the light after becoming undead - Sir Zeliek of the Four Horsemen in Naxxramas was a paladin before being killed and reanimated and unlike his three brethren, he still retains use of HOLY spells, rather than using Shadow. As long as his faith remains strong and his cause is just, I don't see why the Naaru would reject the call of a Forsaken Paladin.

[seleri]

Considering we aren't getting them until after the launch, there's still plenty of time for Blizzard to change their mind about zandalari paladin and dark iron shaman/priest. Hopefully if enough commotion is raised, they will.