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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    *Oh my that player skin i see right now playing looks nice, where is it from
    *Oh its lootbox
    *Should i buy it to look cool?
    *Opens vallet, buys 3 lootboxes -- no skin that you want
    *Minor anoyance
    *Buys 10 lootboxes -- get even worse than last time
    *Very angry
    *Busy 50 lootboxes -- after a while when it opens it ... still no F.. skin
    *Depresion
    *Back to stage 1 -- repeat process
    if you checked the context then you would realize he was arguing about $20 skin from not lootbox. Lootboxes are gambling and bad. He is arguing that microtransactions as a whole are equal and should be banned.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by AlexisSanchez View Post
    See! I called it! "What we really need is someone to compare lootboxes to buying a candy bar at the supermarket. Just dont buy it! that easy! Never mind kids and people with addiction issues being taken for a ride for unlimited profits."

    Your line of thinking is ridiculous and doesn't account for people who have addiction issues or are too young to realize fully what they are doing.

    Video games target kids remember, or are we allowed to sell whatever we like to them?
    Yea I think it's time we started marketing cigarettes to children again. That is an entire demographic that isn't smoking! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE PROFITS?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veredyn View Post
    Yea I think it's time we started marketing cigarettes to children again. That is an entire demographic that isn't smoking! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE PROFITS?!
    Absolutely, and the kids that dont want to smoke can just not buy them!!

    Theres no such thing as ethics in business where you need to comply with the rules regulated by the government to prevent abusing its customers through unsavory means. Its the wild west!

    Nice simpsons ref btw

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    People are arguing "just don't buy them", but here's the thing: why would anyone *want* to buy them? What is the added gameplay that you enjoy by spending money and not getting what you want? How is this improving your (or anyone's) experience? How is this game design anything but a transparent effort to overcharge people for stuff they wouldn't buy if the average price were the up-front price? More explicitly, an effort to overcharge people for stuff to an extent that would get them laughed out of business, if the average price were the upfront price!
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  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by AlexisSanchez View Post
    Absolutely, and the kids that dont want to smoke can just not buy them!!

    Theres no such thing as ethics in business where you need to comply with the rules regulated by the government to prevent abusing its customers through unsavory means. Its the wild west!

    Nice simpsons ref btw
    Companies are people, so of course they should be allowed to sell to whomever they want. To say that the government should stop them from abusing customers, and exploiting people with gambling tendencies and children, is clearly infringing on their rights and pure communism. All hail the godly bottom line, and down with basic human decency!

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Zogarth View Post
    Companies are people, so of course they should be allowed to sell to whomever they want. To say that the government should stop them from abusing customers, and exploiting people with gambling tendencies and children, is clearly infringing on their rights and pure communism. All hail the godly bottom line, and down with basic human decency!
    Competition will fix it. Trickle down effect etc.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Veredyn View Post
    The problem is that if Germany bans these, publishers like EA are just going to go "FINE. We won't sell our games in your country."
    Ea won't throw away those sell they will find new methods or milk other regions of the world more.
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  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by AlexisSanchez View Post
    Competition will fix it. Trickle down effect etc.
    Indeed. Everyone knows that rich people love nothing more than making their hard working employees benefit, and they all despise just hoarding the money. The whole "rich gets richer" is just jealous people not knowing how truly great rampant unregulated capitalism is.

  9. #49
    EA would never write off a country as big as germany, they would rather get their team of lawyers in over a weekend to think up a strategy like

    "Its technically not gambling because you receive an item, even if that item is a piece of shit and not the skin the person was after, thank you sir"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zogarth View Post
    Indeed. Everyone knows that rich people love nothing more than making their hard working employees benefit, and they all despise just hoarding the money. The whole "rich gets richer" is just jealous people not knowing how truly great rampant unregulated capitalism is.
    Pyramid schemes always go to the bottom half right? Businesses are our friends. I know this because ive been a loyal customer with them for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foofoocuddlypoopz View Post
    Ea won't throw away those sell they will find new methods or milk other regions of the world more.
    You may check this old thread then:
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...onetization-AI
    https://imgur.com/a/rhFuj

    Its worse if it gets implented.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by AlexisSanchez View Post
    Pyramid schemes always go to the bottom half right? Businesses are our friends. I know this because ive been a loyal customer with them for years.
    Indeed, nothing is more rational than being a blind fanboy and pre-ordering every single ultra mega platinum limited collectors editions of every new game coming out from companies who truly only want the best for us, like EA.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    You may check this old thread then:
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...onetization-AI
    https://imgur.com/a/rhFuj

    Its worse if it gets implented.
    Pretty sure that was mostly fake or something similar.

    If they add any sort of a spam in an AA game there will be backlash.

    I think if actually banning lootboxes they will simply sell the items either way but just with a price of inflated price and whoever wants to buy it, buys it.

    Or maybe the same way Dota did it for awhile.

    "This chest contains 15 skins, you will get a skin only once" aka buy 15 chests for all skins and be done with it.

    Lately they started adding "Rare drops and ultra rare drops" which i believe will disappear with the lootbox law either way.

    And if this doesnt happen we will probably either have games costing more cause they can use that excuse now.

    Or some sort of subscription as WoW has or PSN etc etc to "cover the costs.

  13. #53
    lets just hope that's where it stops.

    ban loot boxes, that's good. but in doing so, you're giving the government an in. once they get in, they could want to regulate more things in gaming, and that will be bad.

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by AlexisSanchez View Post
    https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/11/me...otransactions/

    "Meet The 19-Year-Old Who Spent Over $17,000 On Microtransactions"

    Sure it is....
    Quote Originally Posted by Video Games View Post
    I've even done that, don't even pretend.
    Two situations suddenly proves that that isn't an exaggeration?

    I would beg to differ, and that it DOES prove it. That's kinda the definition of it being an exaggeration you know, that it's not a common occurrence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Two situations suddenly proves that that isn't an exaggeration?

    I would beg to differ, and that it DOES prove it. That's kinda the definition of it being an exaggeration you know, that it's not a common occurrence.
    If its such an exaggeration and never happens why is this issue drawing such heated attention from attorney generals in Hawaii / entire countries?

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by AlexisSanchez View Post
    If its such an exaggeration and never happens why is this issue drawing such heated attention from attorney generals in Hawaii / entire countries?
    Okay, so you're quickly already making up my argument for me? Never said it didn't happen for the record, said it's a small amount of people that do it.

    Are we going to ban lotteries just because there's gambling addictions? I mean, that's what this is calling for, a flat out ban.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    Okay, so you're quickly already making up my argument for me? Never said it didn't happen for the record, said it's a small amount of people that do it.

    Are we going to ban lotteries just because there's gambling addictions? I mean, that's what this is calling for, a flat out ban.
    What difference does it make if its the few getting exploited or many? The amount of victims shouldnt matter.

    Kids cant buy lotto tickets, thanks for proving my point

    "Oklahoma 18 or 21 (depends on the casino)
    Oregon 18 for bingo 21 for casinos
    Pennsylvania 18 for pari-mutuel 21 for casinos
    South Dakota 18 for bingo at Indian casinos 21 for casinos"

    normally 18+

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by AlexisSanchez View Post
    What difference does it make if its the few getting exploited or many? The amount of victims shouldnt matter.

    Kids cant buy lotto tickets, thanks for proving my point

    "Oklahoma 18 or 21 (depends on the casino)
    Oregon 18 for bingo 21 for casinos
    Pennsylvania 18 for pari-mutuel 21 for casinos
    South Dakota 18 for bingo at Indian casinos 21 for casinos"

    normally 18+
    Never said I was against a restriction.

  19. #59
    Not like anything changes, all they do is sell a SMALL amount of currency and you get a free bonus lootbox. Then they aren't "selling" lootboxes but they never give you enough currency to really do anything with.

  20. #60
    It's a predatory business model that I would not weep to see being gone.

    Cosmetic only, to a lesser degree, but still in the same package.

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