Campaigners call for boiling alive of crabs and lobsters to be banned

[Deleted]

I always wonder when it comes to people who think we are cruel to animals in instances like this, have you really seen how animals treat each other? How they hunt? Do you think a Lion or Bear would try to not harm you because it would feel bad? We're animals to, I don't know why we hold ourselves to a different standard.

It's called being civilized. It's why we don't allow rape, murder, stealing, etc.

[Fargus]

You're arguing the opposite, but require no such thing, you're both on the internet...Help yourself?

What I'm arguing is that lobsters feeling pain is something that is debated in the scientific community. I even posted a link earlier to a study that suggests they may do indeed feel pain. I do not understand why people are having a hard time comprehending such a thing, or are so hostile to being a little bit kinder. Perhaps it's a coping mechanism to absolve themselves of guilt as they may have boiled them alive in the past, I do not know. What I do know is when they get touchy over something that isn't really supposed to be offensive (being more humane to the animals we eat), there are definitely 2nd thoughts after having a think about it.

Or maybe I am wrong, and they're just a-holes who don't want empathetic people criticising them because they find it annoying and self-righteous.

[Deleted]

The amount of edgelords is fucking cringe

[Freighter]

Seems rather stupid, they're going to be dead no matter how they die.

[derpkitteh]

yeah, i agree with the ban. it was only a couple years ago that i found out that they do this, and it has always sickened me.

[Fargus]

Seems rather stupid, they're going to be dead no matter how they die.

Yeah, let's remove all animal cruelty laws while we're at it too because the animals "are going to die anyway".

Idiot.

[Deleted]

So if I think putting a crab in a boiling pot is fine, in your analogy I'm also okay with rape and murder? That's some sweet blanket logic

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Says the guy with shadow in his name

You're the one that made said the ridiculous

" We're animals to, I don't know why we hold ourselves to a different standard."

Animals do various stuff we ourselves consider illegal so if you're against holding yourself at a higher standard than a Hyena then you're against civility

[Freighter]

Yeah, let's remove all animal cruelty laws while we're at it too because the animals "are going to die anyway".

Idiot.

If all you can do is take it to the extreme and flame then you don't really have any argument.

[Deleted]

Seems rather stupid, they're going to be dead no matter how they die.

Are you saying Singapore doesn't have regulations on slaughterhouses?

[derpkitteh]

Seems rather stupid, they're going to be dead no matter how they die.

this thought process seems rather common place in asia, with the way you guys cook some animals, even things like dogs.

it's about being empathetic to the pain another living being can experience. a quick death from cutting off the head or shooting the brain is much more humane. if you were going to be executed for some thing, would you rather spend your last moments suffering or would you rather the lights just turn off?

[Fargus]

I always wonder when it comes to people who think we are cruel to animals in instances like this, have you really seen how animals treat each other? How they hunt? Do you think a Lion or Bear would try to not harm you because it would feel bad? We're animals to, I don't know why we hold ourselves to a different standard.

Holy shit, are you fucking serious?

Let me give you a hint: We are smarter than a lion or bear, and as as result, have the cognitive ability to feel sorry for others, and to limit pain to others. We wouldn't be able to function as a civilization otherwise.

Do you want to live and act exactly like a lion or bear? Let's see how far you'll get.

[Freighter]

Are you saying Singapore doesn't have regulations on slaughterhouses?

I didn't say anything about any existing laws or regulations.

[Deleted]

If all you can do is take it to the extreme and flame then you don't really have any argument.

Neither do you

For decades we have been killing animals under strict regulations

[Pickynerd]

What I'm arguing is that lobsters feeling pain is something that is debated in the scientific community. I even posted a link earlier to a study that suggests they may do indeed feel pain. I do not understand why people are having a hard time comprehending such a thing, or are so hostile to being a little bit kinder. Perhaps it's a coping mechanism to absolve themselves of guilt as they may have boiled them alive in the past, I do not know. What I do know is when they get touchy over something that isn't really supposed to be offensive (being more humane to the animals we eat), there are definitely 2nd thoughts after having a think about it.

Or maybe I am wrong, and they're just a-holes who don't want empathetic people criticising them because they find it annoying and self-righteous.

I believe they feel pain, but I don't have proof and I don't see the logic of cooking anything alive.

People are scum, so we need hard evidence, if nothing else so we can punish them for being heartless cunts.

[Deleted]

I didn't say anything about any existing laws or regulations.

Then what are you talking about because we're discussing a law and regulation

[ParanoiD84]

Sounds good.

[Freighter]

Then what are you talking about because we're discussing a law and regulation

You made a thread about how people are calling for boiling crabs and lobsters to be banned, I said that seems rather stupid. That's not any existing law or regulations, so I don't know why you even started talking about existing laws and regulations.

[Pickynerd]

No, but I'm most definitely on the side that says fish feel pain. Lobsters, benefit of the doubt.


Because people are selfish (hehe) and only care about fluffy things.

Pain is fear, and fear is survival.

Animals show pain much different then us, surely for the sake of survival.

I also care about fluffy things, even more than I care about people.

[Fargus]

If all you can do is take it to the extreme and flame then you don't really have any argument.

I am poking fun at your stupid logic.

Being cruel to an animal and saying that's OK because "it's going to die anyway" is disgusting and disturbing on so many levels. Everything ends up dying eventually, that's certainly no justification for causing unnecessary pain.

[Deleted]

You made a thread about how people are calling for boiling crabs and lobsters to be banned, I said that seems rather stupid. That's not any existing law or regulations, so I don't know why you even started talking about existing laws and regulations.

Because you said

"Seems rather stupid, they're going to be dead no matter how they die."

That implies you think it doesn't matter how animals dies because it's going to be dead. That means you must think all slaughter regulations are stupid