8.0 Warlock changes from Beta

[Kithelle]

I really wish these types of posts were against the forum rules.

And if you look at the front page there are changes. We just don't know their full effect.

There hasn't been a single change to Demo yet...literally every other spec in the game has gotten changes while not a single one to Demo.

[Kirroth]

so..... shadowburn removed???

No, just moved from the Lvl 30 row to the Lvl 90 row.

ETA: Scratch that, second pass datamining shows it unchanged and still on the 30 row.

[Lulbalance]

There will almost certainly be demo changes, relax. They dont set work schedules to keep forum alarmists with kiddy cartoon avatars from freaking out.

[Deleted]

Third alpha beta, no changes to demon yet, but tons for Destro. I am getting really worried about demon.

Ion Hozzaniskasnskus or w/e his name his has confirmed, on a stream, that Demo was a failed experiment in Legion and that it will get changed.

[avahle]

Bloodlust and intellect buff can be brought through scrolls/drums at a slightly reduced effect, however Soulstone cannot.

I am not too sure about that.

[Kudos]

I've always liked playin all 3 specs, but favoured demonology heavily. Until they basically ruined it for me in Legion.

This was me in WoD. I loved the old MoP / WoD Demonology . Legion version... not so much.

[Xanatas]

No, just moved from the Lvl 30 row to the Lvl 90 row.

ETA: Scratch that, second pass datamining shows it unchanged and still on the 30 row.

good, i'm scared to lose another time shadowburn

[Deleted]

There hasn't been a single change to Demo yet...literally every other spec in the game has gotten changes while not a single one to Demo.

You do realise thats a positive thing right???

No changes means a significant rework, its quite obvious they are getting the lion share of the destro/afflic changes out of the way as fundamentally those two specs are not really changing much. This and they are still to implement the spell animation changes as well as the casting animations. Once that's done they can give their full attention to demo. It's all about time and resources, so it makes sense to focus on the easy stuff first to free up more of that time and resources to give a concentrated push on actually getting Demo right this time, something they should have done in the first place in Legion.

TL: DR Don't get your titties in a twist just yet, there is still a lot of dev time left to work on demo, just chill and let them get to it in good time.

[Shandalar]

Ion Hozzaniskasnskus or w/e his name his has confirmed, on a stream, that Demo was a failed experiment in Legion and that it will get changed.

Yeah, but they are touching a lot of specs including Survival and Demon dont, when it should be their #1 priority. 0 changes at 3 builds are really worrying.

[Demoros]

Yeah, but they are touching a lot of specs including Survival and Demon dont, when it should be their #1 priority. 0 changes at 3 builds are really worrying.

Don't you get it? They will make lots of changes to demo, but this time the last moments of the last usable time to make adjustments, this way they won't make the same mistake as on legion, where eveyone started complaining from the very beggining and they had to use some meanless excuses for the whole expantion! This time if the spec will be good or bad we will have no other choise but to accept it without complaining (last time we had to accept it , but we could complain even if it was pointless), 'cause it will be to late to adjust the spec (since once the expantion is live the only changes that can be done are buff/nerfs, minor changes to spell and few talents switches and not major rotation mechanics, legion demo is the proof)!!!!!!!!!!!

[Deleted]

Yeah, but they are touching a lot of specs including Survival and Demon dont, when it should be their #1 priority. 0 changes at 3 builds are really worrying.

Well hopefully the changes are so overwhelming that implementing them one by one would make the spec unplayable, so they are waiting until they have all or most of them ready to go to testing.

[Demoros]

Well hopefully the changes are so overwhelming that implementing them one by one would make the spec unplayable, so they are waiting until they have all or most of them ready to go to testing.

I disagree, if you make players wait over 18 months for some promised changes, sooner o later (better sooner, 'cause it's going to be to much later at this point) you have to give them something around thouse promises even if it's just about one spell (Demonic Empowerement)!

And i think (i can be wrong with these) after 18 months of demo's unplayability, its new built should have been the FIRST (together with hunters) to be released on alpha to be tested by players!

[Kirroth]

Yeah, but they are touching a lot of specs including Survival and Demon dont, when it should be their #1 priority. 0 changes at 3 builds are really worrying.

Look, when you've got multiple people working on multiple projects at the same time, the small ones tend to get done sooner than the big ones. The Demo rebuild is the biggest spec overhaul in BfA, so of course it's going to be the last one to show up on the PTR. Unlike the specs where they're just moving a few talents around, there's no point shoving the changes out until the whole thing is ready.

It's not like there's no progress. We're seeing spells like Demonic Commander and Imp Swarm show up in the datamined files. They just don't have the full spec ready for testing yet, so it's not out there. What we see in the PTR files is NOT everything they have internally.

[Kithelle]

You do realise thats a positive thing right???

No changes means a significant rework, its quite obvious they are getting the lion share of the destro/afflic changes out of the way as fundamentally those two specs are not really changing much. This and they are still to implement the spell animation changes as well as the casting animations. Once that's done they can give their full attention to demo. It's all about time and resources, so it makes sense to focus on the easy stuff first to free up more of that time and resources to give a concentrated push on actually getting Demo right this time, something they should have done in the first place in Legion.

TL: DR Don't get your titties in a twist just yet, there is still a lot of dev time left to work on demo, just chill and let them get to it in good time.

They had a whole expansion with their thumbs up there asses and still nothing to show for it...that bothers me.

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Yeah, but they are touching a lot of specs including Survival and Demon dont, when it should be their #1 priority. 0 changes at 3 builds are really worrying.

Exactly...they knew Demo was a failure since Legion Alpha and refused to listen...after going live and seeing how much of a epic fail it was they basically raised the white flag without even trying to fix it. (Considering a easy enough bandaid fix would have been just to get rid of DE or make it some kind of cooldown or a number of other fixes player have suggested)

But what do they do? Without even trying they come out and tell us it was a failure which was being told to them since Alpha...they tell us not to play it...so they've had the entire expansion to work on ideas...and yet not a single change.

[Baconeggcheese]

Lets see that list then. Go ahead, ill wait. Since i already looked into this forever ago, i know you're completely fucking wrong, but go ahead.

They changed almost everything from the initial builds of alpha. I was actually blown away at the time with how much they actually listened to and that they even did a few things verbatim from feedback.

Was it everything people asked for? No (that's impossible since people ask for contradictory things), was there a lot left to be desired? Absolutely.

But if you genuinely believe they changed "literally nothing" then you weren't paying attention or you're confusing open beta with alpha.

[JabJack]

Affliction felt fluid for the most of legion with a few hickups here and there.
With the return of shadow bolt - and retaining UA stacking mechanic. It would be great if affliction got back baseline haunt, and where UA was still our main dot, but not entire rotation revolved around WoC, UA, Reap.

Looks like a lot more pressing buttons, especially when considering Shadow Embrace, NightFall, and Creeping death.
Talent changes suggest Blizzard is maintaining swapping talents depending on fight.
reap souls is no longer (when 8.0). It was cool what it did , not how you did it.

Might be a possible return to rotations while keeping priority on modifiers/procs

Only time will tell since this is early alpha.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

I'd be interested to get at least a dev blog on plans for Demo. I understand that there are a lot of changes to make and a long way to go before we're even close to live, but some ideas of where they might be going with the spec would be nice, or at least a blue post indicating when we can expect some changes.
That said, it's not really been that long, I can wait.

[rhorle]

There hasn't been a single change to Demo yet...literally every other spec in the game has gotten changes while not a single one to Demo.

http://bfa.wowhead.com/spell=264874/darkfury

That is a new talent for Demonology. You know things are either changing or a work in progress because they even have Doom as a talent for Demo and not supremacy. This is why posts like yours are nonconstructive and should be a infraction for posting.

[Deleted]

I disagree, if you make players wait over 18 months for some promised changes, sooner o later (better sooner, 'cause it's going to be to much later at this point) you have to give them something around thouse promises even if it's just about one spell (Demonic Empowerement)!

And i think (i can be wrong with these) after 18 months of demo's unplayability, its new built should have been the FIRST (together with hunters) to be released on alpha to be tested by players!

If it's not ready it's not ready. Releasing a broken build would create even more outcries and raging on forums. Trust me, It's far better they hold back until it's ready for players even if it takes another 6 months.

[rhorle]

But what do they do? Without even trying they come out and tell us it was a failure which was being told to them since Alpha...they tell us not to play it...so they've had the entire expansion to work on ideas...and yet not a single change.

The out of context "Don't play demo" was from before Legion Alpha. It was during a 6.2 dev QA stream and was in response to "Why are you nerfing demo warlocks into the ground". Let it go already. You missed the joke then, you still miss it now.