Trump won't release Dem Memo

[CostinR]

I too believe his public and private persona are likely quite different from one another as his interviews from the 80s/90s are very different from his interviews from more recent years. I agree that she seems pissed about the cheating (based on the little we know about the situation).

That's precisely why making any judgement, good or bad, on someone with such a public personal is rather pointless: You see what they want you see for the most or what others want you to see about them.

Same goes for Melania. She's deliberately moved to distance herself publicly from her husband, it might do with the fact she's pretty angry with him or rather that she sees great value for herself to not be tangled up in his controversies or it might be that she would love nothing more then to divorce him but since she has a child with him she'd rather be a good mother who won't put her boy through a divorce ( and as someone who lived through that as a kid it never ends well when your parents divorce ).

[NYC17]

That's precisely why making any judgement, good or bad, on someone with such a public personal is rather pointless: You see what they want you see for the most or what others want you to see about them.

Same goes for Melania. She's deliberately moved to distance herself publicly from her husband, it might do with the fact she's pretty angry with him or rather that she sees great value for herself to not be tangled up in his controversies or it might be that she would love nothing more then to divorce him but since she has a child with him she'd rather be a good mother who won't put her boy through a divorce ( and as someone who lived through that as a kid it never ends well when your parents divorce ).

What a bunch of bullshit. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. Especially when it's a constant assault of stupidity, bigotry, racism, sexism, obstructionism, and a whole bunch of other -isms.

Mental gymnastics isn't as fun for people outside your head.

[CostinR]

Guys, the racism, sexism, bigotry and overall stupidity is all an act! That makes it way better!

Or it's better to just assume all politicians are scumbags. That none of them are actually good people.

What you think I believe Trump is somehow a good person? A guy who committed adultery on every one of his wives? Foolish assumptions, but it doesn't mean he can't or doesn't act in a way that makes him likable to a lot of the people who know him personally. That however does NOT make him any less of a piece of trash.

Now if you want to judge Trump or any other politician you should use your bloody head and look at their policies, the things they've done and how they've done them.

[NED funded]

TBH, I'm glad he didn't. More political ammo to use against him.

[mvaliz]

Or it's better to just assume all politicians are scumbags. That none of them are actually good people.

That's your largest mistake you are making here, and it's the exact same mistake the Dumpsters make... You're calling Dumbass Donnie Dump a Politician. You forgot he wasn't one nor ever was one. He's not nor should he ever have been. He's a spoil brat of a scheister Car Salesman/reality TV personality who had a rich daddy who spoiled him and gave him servants to cater to his every whim. He's a hedonistic gasbag who only ever spent his time rubber-stamping his name on buisness contracts. He never ONCE did anything Political in his career outside of this stupid stunt, and he clearly bit off more than his fat fucking face could chew. That's all he is. Calling Fuckwit Frump a politician is like calling the Maffia "collection" man a Police Officer.

And, yes, there are good politicians. Who are they? The ones who AREN'T making the news for controversies, affairs, double-dealings, ect. The ones who help get roads built and get schools funded. Do you know how many hundreds of politicians there are out there? Can you name even 20 of them who are "corrupt" without looking anything up? Yes, it seems weird -but good ones are out there - but they don't make headlines because "good news" doesn't sell. Saying they're all bad is just playing some sort of self-pitying victim card. You try satisfying the will and needs of 300 million people and get them all to like you, especially when people pre-judge them as being bad just for "being a politician".

[FeedsOnDevTears]

Or it's better to just assume all politicians are scumbags. That none of them are actually good people..

Yeah - "Both sides do it!"

The guy who advocates war crimes, calls Nazis 'very fine people', has spent his entire time in office under FBI investigation, and wants to be a dictator is totally equal to every other politician.

A lot of politicians may be scumbags, but calling Trump just another scumbag is an insult to scumbags.

[Omega10]

Supposedly many people who know Trump in private and not the image he puts in public ( and yeah his public image is a bloody made up lie to suit his ends ) find him quite likable. Think of that however you will and that's something even a significant number of his opponents have said.

Also it's been close to a decade and a half since Melania married Trump, close to 20 years since they first met and started dating. People change quite a bit.

I do think Melania is quite furious though over what came out that he cheated on her with numerous women.

He MAY be a nice person in private. However, there is no reason to believe that his niceness is sincere. After all, he is known to backstab his partners pretty badly.
Even if he is, we are stuck with his public image. And his public image is pretty atrocious.

[Kiri]

Dems played this really well (for once).

If Trump released the memo it would have shown the prior memo was nonsense. By refusing to release the memo it casts doubt on the GOP memo's legitimacy...and there is nothing the GOP can do to assuage that.

Basically the dems outmaneuvered for once. Nothing the GOP could have done that wouldn't have destroyed their already weak narrative one way or the other.

I fear that this is a bit of a misconception here. Trump actually made the best move possible. The Democrats too, in a way, but the problem here is pretty simple, yet important. These two sides are not really playing the same game.
Let's look at some simple facts.
1) As some of you have already pointed out, the Democratic Memo was not really necessary. Anyone who is not a rabid Trumper could see the Mehmo for what it is. Memo release or not, nothing changes for these people. That, on the other hand, means that there is no winning move in regards to that side of the aisle, just like with so many things Trump does.
2) Rabid Trumpsters have already completely bought into the Mehmo. This group will believe anything Trump says and always argue in his favour. As long as the Memo is not released, they have an easier time internally and externally justifying this. Heck, I do not doubt that a lot of them will read this news and go 'good thing the President did not release that. Those evil democrats wanted to release our secrets, those partisan hacks'. That is just how they work. They live in a post-fact society on The Donald and such.
3) Rabid Trumpsters make up a sizable portion of the GOP's voter base. The GOP is pretty much a slave to this group, simply because a party split would mean an end to them and Democrat utopia for at least a decade. Hence you will likely see the GOP continue to defend Trump, even on this.

With those things in mind, not releasing the Memo is the best possible move. Not saying that Trump is a genius or such, but he is smart enough to realize that so far, catering to his base is almost always a better option than trying to win over his detractors. That man is a crowd pleaser, and they are his crowd. Trump's faction can possibly survive the midterms with his base, but they definitely cannot survive them without said base. Hence the sensible move, from his perspective.

[Lynarii]

And, yes, there are good politicians. Who are they? The ones who AREN'T making the news for controversies, affairs, double-dealings, ect. The ones who help get roads built and get schools funded. Do you know how many hundreds of politicians there are out there? Can you name even 20 of them who are "corrupt" without looking anything up? Yes, it seems weird -but good ones are out there - but they don't make headlines because "good news" doesn't sell. Saying they're all bad is just playing some sort of self-pitying victim card. You try satisfying the will and needs of 300 million people and get them all to like you, especially when people pre-judge them as being bad just for "being a politician".

As a piece of anecdotal evidence, back in the last election (keeping in mind I'm a dual US/Canadian citizen living in Canada ATM) my federal representative sat down with all the other people on the ballot for our riding and got everyone to agree that attack ads were not welcome in our area, and nobody in the riding would use them. And they didn't. Every local ad was trying to talk up the policies of the person running the ad, not tear down the policies of the others, and there were no personal attacks at all. I have walked into his office without an appointment to ask him why he voted in a way I thought was unexpected, and had him take time to give me a real answer. There are good politicians.

And this kind of thing is REALLY important to keep in mind. The idea that all politicians are corrupt is exactly what allows politicians to be corrupt. It's an idea that prompts a degree of hopelessness and resignation. That people can't do anything about corruption in politics because they're all scumbags anyway. Politicians are as honest as their electorate wants them to be, the question is whether or not the general populous decides to reward or punish them for lying.

[jdbond592]

Apparently "corrupt fake" FISA application regarding Carter Page affects national security.

I am curious, did FBI say anything?

SO again, what could memo possibly contain to harm "America"?

[Breccia]

Apparently "corrupt fake" FISA application regarding Carter Page affects national security.

Actually, now that you mention it, Trump hasn't tweeted in 24 hours. Can't blame him -- what's he going to say?

[Vago]

So the DOJ and the FBI ask that the Nunes memo not be released until it was reviewed and heavily redacted. So Trump waited until that happened and was approved. The same thing happens with the Dem memo and all the sudden it is suspicious? Even though most of you screamed and cried about nothingburgers when over 30,000 emails magically disappeared, devices were destroyed by hammers and others where scrubbed clean by professionals. The logic on these forums is outstandingly humors; I love MMOC Gen OT

[Orbitus]

So the DOJ and the FBI ask that the Nunes memo not be released until it was reviewed and heavily redacted. So Trump waited until that happened and was approved. The same thing happens with the Dem memo and all the sudden it is suspicious? Even though most of you screamed and cried about nothingburgers when over 30,000 emails magically disappeared, devices were destroyed by hammers and others where scrubbed clean by professionals. The logic on these forums is outstandingly humors; I love MMOC Gen OT

Wrong, the DOJ and the FBI asked, but Trump released it without any redaction or review.

[Travis B]

So the DOJ and the FBI ask that the Nunes memo not be released until it was reviewed and heavily redacted. So Trump waited until that happened and was approved. The same thing happens with the Dem memo and all the sudden it is suspicious?

The bolded part of your claim is entirely false. Trump rejected the DOJ's and FBI's requests to redact parts of the Nunes memo, which makes the entire point you're trying to make completely invalid.

[NYC17]

So the DOJ and the FBI ask that the Nunes memo not be released until it was reviewed and heavily redacted. So Trump waited until that happened and was approved. The same thing happens with the Dem memo and all the sudden it is suspicious? Even though most of you screamed and cried about nothingburgers when over 30,000 emails magically disappeared, devices were destroyed by hammers and others where scrubbed clean by professionals. The logic on these forums is outstandingly humors; I love MMOC Gen OT

It's almost as if you have no actual knowledge of the issue.

[Felya]

How did folks check Russian twitter accounts leading up to Nunes Memo? Just wondering what that looks like today...

[Lenonis]

Trump's faction can possibly survive the midterms with his base, but they definitely cannot survive them without said base. Hence the sensible move, from his perspective.

Except you basically have it all backwards. The Trump faction wouldn't care about the Dem memo. They'd call it fake news and move on.

Trump and the GOP need to win over moderates and independents because they cannot survive with just the Trump base.

This move looks terrible for Trump and is reinforcing the narrative he's hiding things because he's guilty. The mistake everyone on the right is making is constantly playing to Trump's base. Which are so extreme they can't simultaneously win over moderates. It's going to be their downfall.

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over 30,000 emails magically disappeared, devices were destroyed by hammers and others where scrubbed clean by professionals.

Really? Trying to make this about Hillary? Seriously? Obsessions are bad for your mental health.

[NYC17]

Actually, now that you mention it, Trump hasn't tweeted in 24 hours. Can't blame him -- what's he going to say?

He's tweeting again this morning...

In one tweet he makes an accusation. The very next tweet he whines about allegations and the lack of due process. SO Walter Schaub decided to own him...again.

I'm old enough to remember this tweet 14 minutes earlier in which you repeated a mere allegation. Good times. Good times. So very long ago.

https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/962350081323294720

[jdbond592]

So the DOJ and the FBI ask that the Nunes memo not be released until it was reviewed and heavily redacted. So Trump waited until that happened and was approved.

He didn't. This is not fox entertainment. Reality matters here. Hell, Trump team helped write it. I am curious as to who is asking for review, FBI or Trump?

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How did folks check Russian twitter accounts leading up to Nunes Memo? Just wondering what that looks like today...

Awfully quite.

Perhaps we can start #releasethememo# scam?

[lockedout]

over 30,000 emails magically disappeared, devices were destroyed by hammers and others where scrubbed clean by professionals. The logic on these forums is outstandingly humors; I love MMOC Gen OT

Did that really happen?