Chiropractors what’s your experience?

[Ghostpanther]

Yeah this guy was a quack, and based on the whole anti-vaxx comment was not a D.O. and was only a D.C. which I'd be super sketchy about too.

But you find weirdos like this who try and make claims like that and try to get patients to commit to testing and treatment plans that are outrageously overkill in an effort to milk them for money even in "real" medicine.

Don't let one whack job in the business completely rule your opinion of the profession.

I really hope this guy isn't practicing anymore either.

And you have the same thing happening in the other fields. Family doctors, surgeons, dentists, etc. It is called being humans who are scums, who take advantage of others in need.

[Aoyi]

Yeah this guy was a quack, and based on the whole anti-vaxx comment was not a D.O. and was only a D.C. which I'd be super sketchy about too.

But you find weirdos like this who try and make claims like that and try to get patients to commit to testing and treatment plans that are outrageously overkill in an effort to milk them for money even in "real" medicine.

Don't let one whack job in the business completely rule your opinion of the profession.

I really hope this guy isn't practicing anymore either.

I actually just googled him. He’s still in practice unfortunately. Hopefully he’s a bit less aweful now for the sake of those who might fall for his practices.

[Deleted]

Can I just add, that I've had worse experiences with actual doctors that you keep going on about.

You tell them your problems and they gloss over them in 10minutes, listen to your heartbeat ask you to cough then kick you out the door for the next person in line.

The amount of times ive gone in with my skin issues and I have to see a different doctor each time tell them the entire story and medical history with different drugs and then they just throw different drugs at the problem that do nothing or make it worse.

Its about the individual. You need a talented dr that actually cares which is rare.

Did you go to a general practitioner or an actual dermatologist though? When you actually get to a doctor who's specialized in the problem you're having, in my experience you tend to get what you need. A general practitioner? Yeah they will just tell you take an aspirin and send you home. It can vary a lot depending on country, region, city and so on.

[RobertoCarlos]

Did you go to a general practitioner or an actual dermatologist though? When you actually get to a doctor who's specialized in the problem you're having, in my experience you tend to get what you need. A general practitioner? Yeah they will just tell you take an aspirin and send you home. It can vary a lot depending on country, region, city and so on.

Ive done both, private and public. And when i've gone to the regular public GP I ask for someone with a background in dermatology. And the private experience with a dermatologist ended up being too expensive because he couldnt figure out the problem and kept requesting skin samples which were not cheap each test. Been on a waiting list to get a public dermatologist and after waiting 6months she basically said "Im not sure"

[Katchii]

No, the sketch was to mock how fucking absurd it is to take homeopathy seriously.

Chiropractors are not medical doctors. You need to fucking understand the meaning of the word doctor has no actual fucking meaning on wether or not they're medical professionals or not. You can be a doctor of design for fuck sake. Saying that they're doctors is completely and utterly meaningless because they are not MEDICAL DOCTORS even though they're working with your body and it's welfare.
Which is my entire point: They are not medical doctors. It's not medicine. Them being called doctors is utterly without significance in this context of medical treatment since they kind of doctor they are is not a medical doctor because they DO NOT PRACTICE MEDICINE.

Understand? To be honest, the whole useage of the word doctor and how people actually apply it in common use conflicts tremendously.

If you are aligned with me on how sketchy a D.C is then why are you disagreeing with me?

Don't demand a real medical opinion when you're sitting here arguing in favor of homeopathy and "alternative medicine".
To be honest, I'm having a hard time finding an objective article about the subject. It's either sponsored content from practitioners or "opinionated" pieces that are very much against it. It feels like there's two sides pushing and there's nobody in between from which I can give you an unbiased review.

Because D.O.s also practice chiropractic care, and they are legitimate medical doctors, and they are who I'm referring to. That said, just because a D.C. practices it does not mean the practice itself is not effective. I'm saying I wouldn't necessarily trust a D.C. to be doing it because of their level of education and experience on the subject which is minimal...to put it lightly, even if it is regulated.

I also found there to be very few (read:none found in my search) unbiased pieces on chiropractic care, which is part of why I was asking, I'd love to see one if it exists.

I'm not so much demanding as asking you to back up your assertion that the entire field of osteopathic care is bullshit. You have, thus far, only provided opinions, "because I said so" arguments and sketch comedy videos to back up your stance on the profession being a whole lot of quackery. I've stated that Doctors of Osteopathy also practice chiropractic care with their patients and they are fully licensed medical doctors. The fact that real medical doctors practice it is reason enough for me to acknowledge that it is an effective treatment for some patients....the same way some medical treatments work for SOME patients. Every treatment doesn't work for everyone. It not working for some people, or hurting or even leading to death for some people, does not mean it's bullshit. Medical errors cause death ALL THE TIME, doesn't make that bullshit either.

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Did you go to a general practitioner or an actual dermatologist though? When you actually get to a doctor who's specialized in the problem you're having, in my experience you tend to get what you need. A general practitioner? Yeah they will just tell you take an aspirin and send you home. It can vary a lot depending on country, region, city and so on.

But....general practitioners are doctors too.

Seems like you just have a problem with bad doctors rather than a specific field of doctor. You just also happen to lump an entire profession into the "bad" category.

[Splenda]

I don't get the chiropractor hate here .. I don't want to pretend like they are magic or anything.. But in my profession a sore back is sort of expected. My doctor actually told me to see a chiropractor. It really helped. I don't like medicine. The chiropractor told em to stretch and come back once a week. My insurance covered most of it. It helped when I hurt my back at work.

This. A car accident messed me up as a kid. Regular adjustments helped to the point where I'm almost normal and only need to go once in a really great while. At the time, my doctor actually recommended I go.

[Deleted]

Ive done both, private and public. And when i've gone to the regular public GP I ask for someone with a background in dermatology. And the private experience with a dermatologist ended up being too expensive because he couldnt figure out the problem and kept requesting skin samples which were not cheap each test. Been on a waiting list to get a public dermatologist and after waiting 6months she basically said "Im not sure"

But it was still a GP and not an actual dermantologist.
Then consider that the skin tests aren't cheap for a public healthcare dermatologist either and you'll understand why they're reluctant. It costs the same amount of money to do the tests for both private and public, the difference is who pays for it.

[RobertoCarlos]

But it was still a GP and not an actual dermantologist.
Then consider that the skin tests aren't cheap for a public healthcare dermatologist either and you'll understand why they're reluctant. It costs the same amount of money to do the tests for both private and public, the difference is who pays for it.

I mean sure, if you have enough money your options are a lot bigger.

But at the moment i'm left to the mercy of taking a number and waiting in line to be patient # 277 of that morning and repeating the story and hoping they dont give me some bad creams that are gonna make me rash up like over cooked bacon.

[Deleted]

Because D.O.s also practice chiropractic care, and they are legitimate medical doctors, and they are who I'm referring to. That said, just because a D.C. practices it does not mean the practice itself is not effective. I'm saying I wouldn't necessarily trust a D.C. to be doing it because of their level of education and experience on the subject which is minimal...to put it lightly, even if it is regulated.

I also found there to be very few (read:none found in my search) unbiased pieces on chiropractic care, which is part of why I was asking, I'd love to see one if it exists.

I'm not so much demanding as asking you to back up your assertion that the entire field of osteopathic care is bullshit. You have, thus far, only provided opinions, "because I said so" arguments and sketch comedy videos to back up your stance on the profession being a whole lot of quackery. I've stated that Doctors of Osteopathy also practice chiropractic care with their patients and they are fully licensed medical doctors. The fact that real medical doctors practice it is reason enough for me to acknowledge that it is an effective treatment for some patients....the same way some medical treatments work for SOME patients. Every treatment doesn't work for everyone. It not working for some people, or hurting or even leading to death for some people, does not mean it's bullshit. Medical errors cause death ALL THE TIME, doesn't make that bullshit either.

I'm not fucking talking about D.O's. You brought them in. I'm talking about chyroptactors. How fucking hard is it for you to fucking read? Read real slow so it sinks in and so I don't have to bloody repeat myself again. You keep making shit up, putting words in my mouth.

Chyropractors are not medical doctors.
It does very much mean it's bullshit. It's the definition of bullshit. A medical error is a medical error. A chyropractor fucking killing you isn't a medical error, because it's not medicine and THEY'RE NOT MEDICAL DOCTORS!

You could use this absurd reasoning of yours and apply it to fucking anything. I could start handing out simple water to people and claim it cures cancer. Statistically if I serve enough people I will come across some that will indeed have their cancer cured. But it won't be because of my fucking water. That's what you're sitting here saying and then demanding proof from ME.
I mean if you can so swear by this, could you prove to me that it DOES work through an objective study? It's usually rather meaningful to prove something works before one asks others to prove it doesn't. I could just request that you prove to me that Santa doesn't exist while we're at it. I've gotten my presents, I've seen the man. Clearly, Santa works.

I'm getting really, really fucking tired of repeating myself to you.

But....general practitioners are doctors too.

Seems like you just have a problem with bad doctors rather than a specific field of doctor. You just also happen to lump an entire profession into the "bad" category.

I never fucking said they aren't. YOU are the one making shit up. They're general practitioners and usually you just want to go through them to get to a specialist, so you can get your problem looked at properly.

I'm lumping all doctors of chiropracty into one big bullshit folder yes. Whatever else you're making up I've no fucking idea but it seems to be quite a bit.

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I mean sure, if you have enough money your options are a lot bigger.

But at the moment i'm left to the mercy of taking a number and waiting in line to be patient # 277 of that morning and repeating the story and hoping they dont give me some bad creams that are gonna make me rash up like over cooked bacon.

Skin problems are messy. They can be caused by mental health problems and stress. Have you considered that to be a possible cause?
Some times it's your diet. Other times it's your environment. Could be the water your shower in. Or that you shower too much or too little. It could be your age. Stress. A lack of sunshine. Too much sunshine. Oily skin. Dry skin. Combination skin. A bacterial infection. Genetic.
That's exactly why you need to try medications out. Or perhaps just make changes in your life and how you treat your skin. That's why they'd want to take that skin sample to rule some stuff out, or possible find the actual cause. But usually, they'll want you to try stuff out because it's cheaper. For them.

[RobertoCarlos]

Skin problems are messy. They can be caused by mental health problems and stress. Have you considered that to be a possible cause?
Some times it's your diet. Other times it's your environment. Could be the water your shower in. Or that you shower too much or too little. It could be your age. Stress. A lack of sunshine. Too much sunshine. Oily skin. Dry skin. Combination skin. A bacterial infection. Genetic.
That's exactly why you need to try medications out. Or perhaps just make changes in your life and how you treat your skin. That's why they'd want to take that skin sample to rule some stuff out, or possible find the actual cause. But usually, they'll want you to try stuff out because it's cheaper. For them.

Stress is defiantly a factor. Once the symptoms starts its very obvious stress makes them worse. Also sugar/MSG in food seems to not agree with me. Also the environment, when I was working in aussie with the heat I never had problems

[Frolk]

Wow, so many medical experts here calling Chiropractors, fake/useless/quackery, good to know were in good hands.

If ur gonna call it fake/quackery/useless, provide facts please to disprove the effects.

[Katchii]

I'm not fucking talking about D.O's. You brought them in. I'm talking about chyroptactors. How fucking hard is it for you to fucking read? Read real slow so it sinks in and so I don't have to bloody repeat myself again. You keep making shit up, putting words in my mouth.

Chyropractors are not medical doctors.
It does very much mean it's bullshit. It's the definition of bullshit. A medical error is a medical error. A chyropractor fucking killing you isn't a medical error, because it's not medicine and THEY'RE NOT MEDICAL DOCTORS!

You could use this absurd reasoning of yours and apply it to fucking anything. I could start handing out simple water to people and claim it cures cancer. Statistically if I serve enough people I will come across some that will indeed have their cancer cured. But it won't be because of my fucking water. That's what you're sitting here saying and then demanding proof from ME.
I mean if you can so swear by this, could you prove to me that it DOES work through an objective study? It's usually rather meaningful to prove something works before one asks others to prove it doesn't. I could just request that you prove to me that Santa doesn't exist while we're at it. I've gotten my presents, I've seen the man. Clearly, Santa works.

I'm getting really, really fucking tired of repeating myself to you.

Chiropractors aren't medical doctors. Got it. I already said that. Calm the fuck down.

You're making a blanket statement that this type of care is bullshit, focusing on chiropractors specifically because they use it, and therefore saying that because actual medical doctors don't practice it it's bullshit.

Doctors of Osteopathy ARE medical doctors who ALSO practice chiropractic care.

You're right, chiropractors aren't medical doctors so it's not a medical error it's a chiropractic one. Which actually doesn't help your case, at all. In the US, medical error is stated to be the third largest cause of death in the country behind heart disease and cancer. With hundreds of thousands of deaths a year attributed to it. Compared to that, there have been only 26 recordable incidents of death caused by a chiropractor. In the UK, thousands die a month due to mundane medical errors in NHS hospitals. Again, in 2017 alone, there were less than 50 deaths reported that were caused by a chiropractor. Found by Google search, medical error deaths, chiropractic deaths.

I'm also demanding no such thing. You said it's bullshit, based ENTIRELY so far on the statement that Chiropractors aren't medical doctors, which may be true, but actual medical doctors ALSO utilize osteopathic/ chiropractic care on patients, which therefore by default makes it a school of patient care actively used by some medical doctors making it NOT bullshit.

YOU said chiropractic care is bullshit, using no actual data to back up that assertion aside from your statement that chiropractors aren't medical doctors. I'M saying that patients are cared for using this methodology doctors who by YOUR definition are ACTUAL doctors, which therefore makes the practice NOT bullshit.

[meowfurion]

Perhaps try to practice your reading skills before typing, and maybe you would not come across as being dense.



Glad to help in your reading comprehension.

Disagreeing with your ridiculous logic doesn't translate into me being in any way unintelligent or "dense." That you even support Chiropractors automatically makes you more "dense" than I could ever come across.

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Wow, so many medical experts here calling Chiropractors, fake/useless/quackery, good to know were in good hands.

If ur gonna call it fake/quackery/useless, provide facts please to disprove the effects.

You're being ridiculous. That's not how arguments and logic works. Chiropractors make the claim that they provide benefits and healing. THEY have to prove that they do.

You can't prove a negative..

Prove I don't have magical powers. I'll make this even more pertinent: Prove I don't have magical healing powers. Do you see your logical fallacy now?

[zenkai]

All of the studies on chiropractic suggest that it’s bullshit.

What studies, you're full of shit. Explain to me how I couldn't stand for more than 5 minutes for 2 months and my back was fucked up looking on an xray but after going to one for a month, not only was my spine straight again on the xray but I also could walk with no pain. If they didn't work insurance wouldn't cover them.

[Kaeth]

If you can provide actual medical articles, journals or studies (not opinion pieces from people of the same mind set as you) that PROVE it is not real or effective I'll listen. Until then you're still just spewing a bunch of opinionated garbage that does nothing but prove how close minded and uninformed you are.

Maybe a chiropractor or homeopath could be bothered to prove that their modalities are real or effective first. So far none have succeeded in doing so.

[Deleted]

i find it funny when people go "some even claimed they could cure blindness so it must be bullshit" , guess what ? if you get send (or visit on your own accord) a chiropractic who tells you he will open your chakras to cure your cancer and raise your eyesight by 50% then run for your life.

BUT if you believe that (just an example) a misaligned spine can cause you pain then you also have to believe that fixing this misalignement can relieve pain, and things like setting shoulders are obviously things that get done in the very real world of medical workers.

[Katchii]

Maybe a chiropractor or homeopath could be bothered to prove that their modalities are real or effective first. So far none have succeeded in doing so.

They practice it, real doctors refer patients to them all the time, and "real" doctors practice it (D.O.s) and millions of patients a year go see them and there are plenty of people who swear by it and how it helps them.

To be fair, I'm having difficulty finding completely unbiased sources that say much that could be used in an argument like this. Meaning, the sources are not conclusive in anything and appear to either be written by someone who clearly only aims to discredit the entire practice or someone who claims the practice can fix a bunch of shit that makes it seem impossible. The only things I have found that are a bit unbiased suggest there is evidence chiropractic care can HELP some conditions.

I also agree that given it being a homeopathic option that the field can be filled with people with...interesting, medical opinions.

I never suggested it was going to cure anything or should be used as a replacement for medical doctors and getting medical help. I'm merely arguing against the idea that the entire field of chiropractic care is bullshit, as some have put it, and that EVERY person who practices it is a quack.

[luc54]

i find it funny when people go "some even claimed they could cure blindness so it must be bullshit" , guess what ? if you get send (or visit on your own accord) a chiropractic who tells you he will open your chakras to cure your cancer and raise your eyesight by 50% then run for your life.

BUT if you believe that (just an example) a misaligned spine can cause you pain then you also have to believe that fixing this misalignement can relieve pain, and things like setting shoulders are obviously things that get done in the very real world of medical workers.

I think the "missalligment" thing is bullshit as they haven't really proven that the joins themselves are misalligned. Just cracking something won't cause joints to pop in their place. I'm pretty good at "fixing" my finger joints if that were the case. If you actually have subluxation or in otherwords dislocation you can see it quite easily in the x-ray image and it's extremely painful. I'm certain those who have had dislocated any part of their body can testify that.

Perhaps through some unknown mechanicsm it might help some back pain, but only that. I have seen some chiropractors claim that they can cure other ailments than just related to back pain. They don't necessarily start with chakra bullshit, but just claim that they can diagnose other problems and that in itself is harmful and you should run away from such quackery places.

[Deleted]

I think the "missalligment" thing is bullshit as they haven't really proven that the joins themselves are misalligned. Just cracking something won't cause joints to pop in their place. I'm pretty good at "fixing" my finger joints if that were the case. If you actually have subluxation or in otherwords dislocation you can see it quite easily in the x-ray image and it's extremely painful. I'm certain those who have had dislocated any part of their body can testify that.

Perhaps through some unknown mechanicsm it might help some back pain, but only that. I have seen some chiropractors claim that they can cure other ailments than just related to back pain. They don't necessarily start with chakra bullshit, but just claim that they can diagnose other problems and that in itself is harmful and you should run away from such quackery places.

for your first part, i never said just because it does a crack it fixes any misalignements or whatever, and yes obviously there may be some , many or even a majority who tell you god knows what they can see/feel, my argument only was that it is a) obviously possible to dislocate joints and b) that dislocations can be fixed. Just because some things may make the same sound doesn't mean they are the same thing (to come back to your example of "fixing" your finger joints)

can't speak for america but here in germany a chiropractic who claims to do anything besides setting bones would probably get laughed out of the room, and yes, the "i will release your chakras ...." was meant as hyperbole (shit, i'm sure some would even use this angle, but surely thats a minority of crazys going this way) and you are right, if someone acts like that then call him crazy and go one with your live, they can't cure cancer, they won't save you when your bone is broken in 5 different places, and when your hip is so broken down it needs a metal plate to not collapse onto itself they won't help you either, all of this is true. but, at least from a german perspective that is not what they do, if people calling themselves chiropractics in america act like this then sorry, but simply going by probability it's more likely that some are greedy quacks and many just have to suffer from these same quacks ruining everyone elses reputation.

[Kainslife]

What studies, you're full of shit. Explain to me how I couldn't stand for more than 5 minutes for 2 months and my back was fucked up looking on an xray but after going to one for a month, not only was my spine straight again on the xray but I also could walk with no pain. If they didn't work insurance wouldn't cover them.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21248591

However, there is currently no evidence that supports or refutes that these interventions provide a clinically meaningful difference

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...8539240700783X

With the possible exception of back pain, chiropractic spinal manipulation has not been shown to be effective for any medical condition.