I hate to say it, but you are very very wrong about pretty much everything there.
1. Holy paladins have decent AOE, it's not as good as lets say a shamans, but it's not awful.
2.Holy paladins can be any kind of healer you want them to be, you just need to know how to play and what talents to take.
3. Holy paladins are one of the BEST healers if not the best healer for dungeons, I don't know your skill level, but if you are having issues in dungeons.... then you clearly have no idea how to play the spec.
tldr: Holy paladins are a solid healer ((if you know how to play))
Please refrain from using quote edits to troll/insult other users.
Last edited by Malthanis; 2018-01-23 at 08:35 PM.
We're easily the best healer right now, shines on almost every mythic fight. Only mythic fight I found myself being weak on is Varimathras, and that's cause that's a passive healing designed fight, and doesn't suit as well to our toolkit. Everything else, get ready to be #1 unless you suck.
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There are 6 healer specs and usually 3-5 healer spots depending on fight. That already means some specs / classes will rarely be used. You can have 2 holy paladins of course but that excludes even more healer classes from the roster. It's like saying "if warlocks are so good why not just make a raid team where every dps is a warlock". Variety of utility / cooldowns is one reason. Having a guaranteed raidspot already puts the spec in a better position than those who don't.
While Marrilaifes answer is already pretty compelling, there is also the fact, that different healers do different things. Pallis are the best tank and among the best spot heals in the game, so you want one of them. Resto Shammies have good spot heal and the largest heal CD toolkit. Then you need an aoe heal, which is usually a priest or a druid. The last spot is kinda open and there were times during this addon when people ran double pally in that slot.
Mechanically the thing that somewhat works against multiple pallies being used is that their beacons will not work that great together. Usually one beacon is enough to cover tank healing, so what do you do with the additional 2 beacons from the second holy pally? Putting them on the tanks as well will mostly end up in overhealing and there are just a few fights where you can choose 2 dps that will need that kind of healing.
Running 2 holy pallies isn't going to hurt your raid in the way, that running 2 disc would have last addon, but it also in general isn't ideal.
Wow is a PvE game. Holy is good at PvE.
Win/win situation
What about pvp? I'm torn between my shammy and paladin..
What kind of PVP? I mostly do some BGs occasionally with my holy pala and it doesn't feel that bad any more. Certainly better then Resto Shaman which is bottom tier. As Holy Paladin you are very tanky but you need to play smart: use instant spells as much as u can. Cast only when you are sure you can't get Interrupted. Healing is not great out of CDs, but you have great defensive CDs, probably the best in the game: Double Sacrifice is a life saver for your party members, LoH and double shields. You can also play as a melee healer (last PvP Talent), you do nice dmg and heal party members for 175% of dmg done for 25 seconds, but i rather take double blessing talent.What about pvp? I'm torn between my shammy and paladin.
So take Resto Shaman if you like big healing numbers, group healing and single target healing is strong, but it's very hard to get any heals off with resto shaman anyway (you are a free kill, if no one peel for you), or take holy paladin if you wanna play with great defensive CDs, nice single target healing, the worst aoe healing (which doesn't really matter) and if you like that "i am unkillable" feeling
Nope, WoW is a PvE and PVP game. I bet you can find more people in random BGs than Antorus raiders.Wow is a PvE game. Holy is good at PvE.
Last edited by mmoc4f70414cfa; 2018-02-16 at 09:26 AM.
Expected an interesting discussion.
Found a troll post.
(well, at least it got better with more people commenting)
Random Bg/Skirmish: they are both good, but in casual alot of things can work. Pally is really funny in Bgs when you find people who do not know how to counter meelewings/avenging crusader.
Rated 3s/Rbg: both classes have alot of comps for 3s, pally usually shines with meele cleaves cause of Double Freedom and strong cooldowns. Shammy usually shines more in Rotting comps, but again alot of different composition can be created.
In RBG i would say Pally over Shammy, ,just because 2 slots in RBG are occupied by Priest and Monk and pally brings again strong cooldowns. Still some crazy Leader can create a unconventional comp with success some times.
Pally healing can be a bit frustrating in pvp cause requires alot of hard casting outside cooldowns, and you also OOM quite faster compared to the other healers IMO.
Hmm, the best thing about Holy paladin is that you NEVER OOM. So i have no idea what spells have you been using? Do you just spam FoL 24/7? Try Resto druid or MW Monk and you will see how fast can you run OOM. I have no mana issues at all as holy. About hard casting: cast only when Holy Shock procs, other than that only when you are at safe position.
As Holy pala you use Holy Shock, Light of the martyr and Ligh of Dawn + Blessings and defensive cds + Judgement. Flash of light and Holy light on procs, if possible, and you are good to go.
Adding to this statement the holy paladin spec is good at healing as these are the abilities that are provided/enhanced by this specialization. If you're looking to do damage I would suggest retribution as the abilities/talents in the retribution tree specialize in doing the maximum damage the class can output. They also have a tanking spec called protection which excels in taking damage and protecting allies from taking said damage by controlling rampaging mobs.
Last edited by Beej; 2018-02-16 at 07:47 PM.
I think that i pressed FoL 20 times in PvP since Legion came out
on 3s at just 2k mmr you go OOM really fast compared to the other healers, cleave pressure hits hard on pally mana even playing with 2 beacons.
on Rbg the issue hits alot harder, even playing with Beacon of Virtue.
Just take a look to any stream our Hps mana efficiency in PvP compared to the other healers is a lot worst.
look at the heal meter and the mana : https://www.twitch.tv/videos/230389984
Hpal in pvp has great cds, good single target healing but lacks on mana efficiency and substained healing outside Aveging Crusader.
Im going to go out on a limb and say the post you quoted was referring to pve and your talking about pvp which makes a huge difference in the context of the conversation. In pve we are probably the most mana efficient healer, can throw around big numbers with spot heals and have incredibly powerful cds. I havent pvped much as holy but we truly are kings in pve in all its forms from m+ to mythic raids.