Gorgrond Orc Map *Potential Spoilers*

[Rend Blackhand]

Looking at the wolf's armour it really does not look like Iron Horde. Might be Outland Mag'Har after all.

[Wondercrab]

it could be a flashback for when the maghar were quarantined by blackhand

That's a really cool idea. I hope they go in that direction and use part of alpha Gorgrond as a stand in for MU Draenor in the past.

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Thought the same thing, but Blizzard likes to blur what is AU Draenor and MU Draenor's lore. Mag'har can just be a reused name for what's happened to the Horde in Draenor.

Or we could actually be getting those Orcs from Outland. But then there's still that new Gorgrond map datamind.

Mag'har means uncorrupted. Could be a name for the remaining Draenor Orcs who don't affiliate with the wrecked Iron Horde (anymore).

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Mag'har is probably the new name for the Orcs after Iron Horde. They have to give them a name because they cannot just be called Orcs - since we have those already. And seeing how the armor is called Orc Clans, it's safe to assume they just went with the Mag'har name as a unified faction - clan. Mag'har means uncorrupted anyway, so I don't see how this just applies to Outland faction, the Iron Horde Orcs were always the Mag'har, since they rejected the Fel.

Also the text says "Native to Draenor, these wolves are preferred by the Mag'har for their ferocity, loyalty, and for something to snuggle on those cool winter nights." Outlands didn't have cool winter nights for 30-40 years now?

It gives Blizzard more freedom and more options that way. Why make 10 shadoes of brown skin, when you can add few black, few gray, few brown, to satisfy the majority.

[Aucald]

Mag'har is probably the new name for the Orcs after Iron Horde. They have to give them a name because they cannot just be called Orcs - since we have those already. And seeing how the armor is called Orc Clans, it's safe to assume they just went with the Mag'har name as a unified faction - clan. Mag'har means uncorrupted anyway, so I don't see how this just applies to Outland faction, the Iron Horde Orcs were always the Mag'har, since they rejected the Fel.

Also the text says "Native to Draenor, these wolves are preferred by the Mag'har for their ferocity, loyalty, and for something to snuggle on those cool winter nights." Outlands didn't have cool winter nights for 30-40 years now?

It gives Blizzard more freedom and more options that way. Why make 10 shadoes of brown skin, when you can add few black, few gray, few brown, to satisfy the majority.

The Mag'har were originally those Orcs of Draenor (Outland-to-be) who escaped the corruption that befell the majority of their race - not just those who became bloodcrazed, but also those whose flesh changed to green from their original brown. In the Draenor of the AU continuity the corrupted were actually a minority - those who threw their lot in with Gul'dan after his usurpation and imprisonment of Grom. The Fel Orcs of WoD are a breed apart from even the green-fleshed and Fel Orcs of Outland - the specific type of Fel corruption effecting them very differently as evidenced by AU Kilrogg, AU Nethekurse, and Ma'gruth (glowing green Fel veins, eruptions of green stone-like calcification, and glowing green eyes, etc.) The Mag'har title has always been applied to the Outland Orcs of Garadar, exiled due to the Red Pox, and the minority of Orcs who avoided any Fel taint.

The uncorrupted of AU Draenor would be the majority, and would probably just refer to themselves as Orcs and their Fel brethren as the Fel Horde or what-have-you.

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The Mag'har were originally those Orcs of Draenor (Outland-to-be) who escaped the corruption that befell the majority of their race - not just those who became bloodcrazed, but also those whose flesh changed to green from their original brown. In the Draenor of the AU continuity the corrupted were actually a minority - those who threw their lot in with Gul'dan after his usurpation and imprisonment of Grom. The Fel Orcs of WoD are a breed apart from even the green-fleshed and Fel Orcs of Outland - the specific type of Fel corruption effecting them very differently as evidenced by AU Kilrogg, AU Nethekurse, and Ma'gruth (glowing green Fel veins, eruptions of green stone-like calcification, and glowing green eyes, etc.) The Mag'har title has always been applied to the Outland Orcs of Garadar, exiled due to the Red Pox, and the minority of Orcs who avoided any Fel taint.

The uncorrupted of AU Draenor would be the majority, and would probably just refer to themselves as Orcs and their Fel brethren as the Fel Horde or what-have-you.

But the problem is the actual character race has to have a different name and since the whole Iron Horde period is over what else to name them? WoD Orcs? Can't even name them Draenor Orcs since all Orcs are Dreanor anyway.

The Mag'har is what means uncorrupted and they are the uncorrupted. The whole deal between Orcs and Demons is the Fel corruption, be it old WarCraft, AU Draenor or the movie Orcs, they have two sides, the original brown Orcs and Corrupted ones and since we already have 'Orcs', we need something else to call them and Mag'har is by far the most suiting.

[Aucald]

But the problem is the actual character race has to have a different name and since the whole Iron Horde period is over what else to name them? WoD Orcs? Can't even name them Draenor Orcs since all Orcs are Dreanor anyway.

The Mag'har is what means uncorrupted and they are the uncorrupted. The whole deal between Orcs and Demons is the Fel corruption, be it old WarCraft, AU Draenor or the movie Orcs, they have two sides, the original brown Orcs and Corrupted ones and since we already have 'Orcs', we need something else to call them and Mag'har is by far the most suiting.

Probably easiest to deal with in the manner it currently is - the only two friendly clans of WoD have their own reputations and names ("Frostwolf Orcs" and "Laughing Skull Orcs") whereas the Mag'har of Outland are simply referred to as "The Mag'har." You could theoretically refer to the WoD clans collectively as "the Draenor Clans" considering that Outland is no longer Draenor, specifically. The AU Orc clans don't call themselves the Mag'har, and technically aren't Mag'har because they don't have the history the actual Mag'har Orcs do - they're just Orcs, usually denoted by their given clan, as the clan identity on AU Draenor remains string whereas clans are kind of an afterthought on modern Azeroth and Outland. To me, at least, "Mag'har" is strongly associated with the original Mag'har of Outland.

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Probably easiest to deal with in the manner it currently is - the only two friendly clans of WoD have their own reputations and names ("Frostwolf Orcs" and "Laughing Skull Orcs") whereas the Mag'har of Outland are simply referred to as "The Mag'har." You could theoretically refer to the WoD clans collectively as "the Draenor Clans" considering that Outland is no longer Draenor, specifically. The AU Orc clans don't call themselves the Mag'har, and technically aren't Mag'har because they don't have the history the actual Mag'har Orcs do - they're just Orcs, usually denoted by their given clan, as the clan identity on AU Draenor remains string whereas clans are kind of an afterthought on modern Azeroth and Outland. To me, at least, "Mag'har" is strongly associated with the original Mag'har of Outland.

Would be funny to hover over a character and for it's race it would say 'The Draenor Clan' Also the armor seems very Warsong, while Outland Mag'har armor is very different, it is more leathery and brownish, a lot more like Tauren have.

To me the Mag'har always meant "pure blood", like any kind of race can call itself pure blood in their native tongue.

Draenor or Outland Orcs, I just hope we get more skins to choose from, not just brown.

[Wildberry]

It gives Blizzard more freedom and more options that way. Why make 10 shadoes of brown skin, when you can add few black, few gray, few brown, to satisfy the majority.

Can we stop saying this, please? Garadar featured Frostwolf, Warsong, Blackrock and Bleeding Hollow Orcs. The only two skin tones we're actually missing from Outland Mag'har are Shattered Hand and Dragonmaw, neither of which could be used as a skin for a playable Iron Horde/Draenor Orc.

[Deleted]

Welp seeing how they are adding "Mag'har" wolf, we can safely assume that iron horde won't be making comeback.

Mag'har means uncorrupted Orcs,which the Draenor Orcs are as well. And the description specifically states they're from Draenor, not Outland.

[Arrashi]

Mag'har means uncorrupted Orcs,which the Draenor Orcs are as well. And the description specifically states they're from Draenor, not Outland.

Outland is draenor you know ? And Mag'har was only ever used when talking about outland orcs.

[Highwhale]

Outland is draenor you know ? And Mag'har was only ever used when talking about outland orcs.

Nope. Draenor - whole planet. Outland - ripped planet. The same difference between pre sundering Azeroth and current one.

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Outland is draenor you know ? And Mag'har was only ever used when talking about outland orcs.

No, Outland is Outland. Draenor is Draenor. Outland used to be Draenor. But if forces come from there you wouldn't call them from Draenor, it wouldn't make sense. Not to the in-game characters and not to us players.

And yes, Mag'har means uncorrupted Orcs. It does make sense for the Orcs from Draenor to take that name now as well. It would set them aside from our green Azeroth Orcs. And no, "Draenor Orcs" isn't a good title for a race so Blizzard would have to come up with another name. Mag'har makes perfect sense. Heck, they might even group Draenor Orcs and Outland Orcs together under that title and we'd get both.

[Deleted]

Mag'har is Orcish for Uncorrupted. This is a word from a language, not a made up faction name. Therefore it exists in AU Orcish language also.

[Arrashi]

Nope. Draenor - whole planet. Outland - ripped planet. The same difference between pre sundering Azeroth and current one.

No, Outland is Outland. Draenor is Draenor. Outland used to be Draenor. But if forces come from there you wouldn't call them from Draenor, it wouldn't make sense. Not to the in-game characters and not to us players.

And yes, Mag'har means uncorrupted Orcs. It does make sense for the Orcs from Draenor to take that name now as well. It would set them aside from our green Azeroth Orcs. And no, "Draenor Orcs" isn't a good title for a race so Blizzard would have to come up with another name. Mag'har makes perfect sense. Heck, they might even group Draenor Orcs and Outland Orcs together under that title and we'd get both.

/golfclap

If we talk to species native to draenor, as in wolf, that is present both in outland and draenor, than calling it "native to draenor" regardless of if its from MU or AU.

And care to give a single example of anyone calling AU orcs mag'har. Canon one if possible.

[Wildberry]

Nope. Draenor - whole planet. Outland - ripped planet. The same difference between pre sundering Azeroth and current one.

Pre-sundering Azeroth was still called Azeroth. Hell "Kalimdor" can either refer to the westernmost continent on Azeroth, or the pre-sundering Pangaea

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/golfclap

If we talk to species native to draenor, as in wolf, that is present both in outland and draenor, than calling it "native to draenor" regardless of if its from MU or AU.

And care to give a single example of anyone calling AU orcs mag'har. Canon one if possible.

Draenei means exiled one in Eredar, Draenei is not a made up word but part of the language. They still use this in AU.
Mag'har means uncorrupted in Orc, Mag'har is not a made up word but part of the language. Why would this not be a thing in AU?

[Arrashi]

Draenei means exiled one in Eredar, Draenei is not a made up word but part of the language. They still use this in AU.
Mag'har means uncorrupted in Orc, Mag'har is not a made up word but part of the language. Why would this not be a thing in AU?

I dunno, how about some big event which lead to tainting a huge part of populace, which would make small, and precisely defined group indentify themselves by that name ?

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I dunno, how about some big event which lead to tainting a huge part of populace, which would make small, and precisely defined group indentify themselves by that name ?

After Kilrogg drank the juice, there was a split of those who are corrupted and those who aren't.

Therefore mag'har makes perfect sense, as they are probably on a killing spree now killing the green ones.

[Arrashi]

After Kilrogg drank the juice, there was a split of those who are corrupted and those who aren't.

Therefore mag'har makes perfect sense, as they are probably on a killing spree now killing the green ones.

Except that we never see them refering to themselves as such. Unlike you know, Outland orcs.