Now people that said slyvanas and horde did not attack first could finally shut it!

[Aaronioslo]

http://www.wowhead.com/news=281843/b...-and-lordaeron

[Sesshomaru]

You should read the comment section to the very topic you've posted.

Regardless, we won't be able to see the whole picture unless we get sights (or complete mono-/dialogue) of both sides.
For the burning of Teldrassil, I'm on the Alliances' side.

[lllBlackSunlll]

You should read the comment section to the very topic you've posted.

Regardless, we won't be able to see the whole picture unless we get sights (or complete mono-/dialogue) of both sides.
For the burning of Teldrassil, I'm on the Alliances' side.

In the battle for Lorederon Dialogue on Alliance side,

"Today, we will claim our victory over the Eastern Kingdoms and take back that which was stolen from us so long ago.
We stand as one to fight for those who were lost at the battle for Teldrassil - for the families who have lost their homelands.
That despicably cowardly act of war, made it clear that we must fight for the survival of our next hundred generations."

http://www.wowhead.com/news=281843/b...-and-lordaeron

Definitely seems like Sylvanus struck first, but expecting to lose UC?

[somebodyz]

Seriously, Sylvanas is just evil as fxxk. She always is.

You dont play UD for love and peace. The foundamental story of Forsaken since vanilla is about spreading plague to the whole Azeroth, infecting and killing all living things, and making them undead. Plotting, scheming, horrible tests on living beings, that is the Forsaken.

There are no needs to defend Sylvanas or her intention or whatever. Just accept that and be a happy undead.

[united]

i like being the bad guy

get over it snowflakes

[sister]

https://twitter.com/ChristieGolden/s...74642966319105

[Santti]

Sylvanas. Not Slyvanas or Sylvanus!

Sorry, I had to get that out of my system. I see that one way too much.

[Ghazan Julio]

Seriously, Sylvanas is just evil as fxxk. She always is.

You dont play UD for love and peace. The foundamental story of Forsaken since vanilla is about spreading plague to the whole Azeroth, infecting and killing all living things, and making them undead. Plotting, scheming, horrible tests on living beings, that is the Forsaken.

There are no needs to defend Sylvanas or her intention or whatever. Just accept that and be a happy undead.

A lot of Forsaken are actually highly-esteemed magisters. You ever been to the mage hall? Forsaken is about SURVIVAL. Hence the whole undead thing...

[McFuu]

http://www.wowhead.com/news=281843/b...-and-lordaeron

Regardless, Alliance already decided to attack the Horde in Silithus, so the whole who started what is moot. The event is already in game on live servers, nothing to guess at.

[Aliven]

"So die your warrior's death, High Overlord Saurfang. It means little to me. Perhaps I will raise your broken body to serve me once more.
Or perhaps you will have a chance to say hello to your son."

Yep. She is all chirpy little bitch.
Now i believe Saurfang defeat is just plan to defect.

[Drakile]

The forsaken are about self preservation not really conquering and expanding, research into plague was to be used defensively and against the scourge. Southshore was bombed to claim Hillsbrad and in a certain light could be seen as a defensive move, reinforcing the home line. Gilneas the plague was used as a last ditch attempt at making it unlivable to claim some sort of victory over the steadily mounting losses in that war. Wrathgate was a plot from within the forsaken rank unknown to Sylv, and it sounds like its going to be the same shit with this Undead Council who dont want the forsaken to be around anymore, but to have them be the spark that starts the battle of Teldrassil feels a bit wrathgatey/twilight cultey to me.

And all of that aside, the alliance did start attacking the horde in Silithus instead of trying to form a joint research division or something dedicated to titan magics, which seems strange and alittle shoehorned, about as shoehorned as Alleria's (and the void elves) banishment from Silvermoon

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

"So die your warrior's death, High Overlord Saurfang. It means little to me. Perhaps I will raise your broken body to serve me once more.
Or perhaps you will have a chance to say hello to your son."

Yep. She is all chirpy little bitch.
Now i believe Saurfang defeat is just plan to defect.

I've seen this movie before. He'll turn up later in the expansion and lead a rebellion against a N'zoth aligned Sylvanas.

Cata was so bad Blizzard skipped right from Wrath 2 to MoP 2.

[Tyrathius]

I think Blizzard's writers are making a game of it at this point. "What is the most over-the-top evil thing we can have Sylvanas do that her fanboys will still try to defend?"

[Aliven]

I think Blizzard's writers are making a game of it at this point. "What is the most over-the-top evil thing we can have Sylvanas do that her fanboys will still try to defend?"

In this very thread we already have somebody who say bombing land with plague was a moral high ground.

[ZenX]

"At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming."

[Aliven]

The forsaken are about self preservation not really conquering and expanding, research into plague was to be used defensively and against the scourge. Southshore was bombed to claim Hillsbrad and in a certain light could be seen as a defensive move, reinforcing the home line. Gilneas the plague was used as a last ditch attempt at making it unlivable to claim some sort of victory over the steadily mounting losses in that war. Wrathgate was a plot from within the forsaken rank unknown to Sylv, and it sounds like its going to be the same shit with this Undead Council who dont want the forsaken to be around anymore, but to have them be the spark that starts the battle of Teldrassil feels a bit wrathgatey/twilight cultey to me.

And all of that aside, the alliance did start attacking the horde in Silithus instead of trying to form a joint research division or something dedicated to titan magics, which seems strange and alittle shoehorned, about as shoehorned as Alleria's (and the void elves) banishment from Silvermoon

As i said in other thread - if N'Zoth was caught up fucking Sylvanas in the ass people would defend her that he just tripped on her and it all is just huuuuge misunderstanding

[Ersula]

http://www.wowhead.com/news=281843/b...-and-lordaeron

Sylvanas is saying if they DON'T destroy the Alliance, the children of Horde will curse their names. And she isn't talking literal fire here. We already know Zul burns Teldrasil with his mysterious improvised burning of Stormwind powers he demonstrates shortly after.

[Ithekro]

It is possible she wanted to take Teldrassil, but instead it got burned down. And we don't know why yet. Perhaps her Azerite War Machine was more effective than planned. Maybe the Night Elves burned it in spite, or grave error. Maybe it was Old Gods. We'll see...eventually.

I like that Nobbel is right there for lore answers already.

[Steampunkette]

Sylvanas is saying if they DON'T destroy the Alliance, the children of Horde will curse their names. And she isn't talking literal fire here. We already know Zul burns Teldrasil with his mysterious improvised burning of Stormwind powers he demonstrates shortly after.

No. She didn't say shit about destroying the Alliance. She specifically talks about SEPARATING the Horde and Alliance with an Ocean. Not "Let's burn down the Alliance!" or "Let's destroy Stormwind!" or "Let's slaughter all the humans and raise them as shambling corpses!"

Let's wall off Kalimdor in an Unassailable kingdom and have peace because the Alliance can all live "Over There" and we'll live "Over Here"

Don't know -WHAT- the fuck you're reading.

It is possible she wanted to take Teldrassil, but instead it got burned down. And we don't know why yet. Perhaps her Azerite War Machine was more effective than planned. Maybe the Night Elves burned it in spite, or grave error. Maybe it was Old Gods. We'll see...eventually.

I like that Nobbel is right there for lore answers already.

Christie Golden's tweet implies that the Datamined text isn't actually what's happening, but just a small piece.

I think we're still in a situation where a third party is actually responsible for Teldrassil's burning, and Sylvanas's intent was to push the Nelves off Kalimdor, rather than slaughter them. This will be the first WoW novel I buy and read the day it's released.

[Deleted]

Did that bitch just threaten Saurfang!?

100% confirmed we are killing her, and not a moment too soon.