BfA - Pet Rework

[Renley]

I like the direction, but while giving us more choice with one hand, they are taking away choice with the other(speaking cosmetically here, using pets for what they look like).

In a raiding/group scenario:
a)if there is no hero/lust, you "must" bring a Ferocity pet. This means you have lost on 66% of the pet families. Yes this is a step up from current times, where you only have a few choices. But it still limits hunters.
b)if there is a hero/lust, you likely(highly likely) will want to bring a Tenacity pet, as they give a whopping 10% max health, and another survivability cooldown. Again, you've lost 66% of the pet families. You like cats or raptors? Can't bring those. I mean, you can, but would you sacrifice 10% of your health and lose a survivability cooldown to change a transmog? Likely not in most scenarios.

Again, their direction is great. They've moved away from "best DPS spec" and "best utility on a few pets". The problem is, it's now "best utility spec" while forcing us into 1/3 of possible pets. There will still be one dominant pet spec being used, and it will greatly limit our choice of pets.

Ideal solution? Keep all these proposed changes, but allow pets to change specs. This way, we are no longer in any circumstance sacrificing any sort of power for a cosmetic choice. If we want to raid with two spiders, we should be able to and utilize the same benefits as someone raiding with two seagulls.

[Puupi]

10% max hp is way too strong compared to the other options.

[Renley]

10% max hp is way too strong compared to the other options.

In a raid/group environment, definitely. In general questing, Ferocity will be incredibly nice for the leech. Even Cunning for the bit of movement speed. They each have their own strengths, and they're pretty legit. It's just very limiting on our choices, and we're supposed to have whatever pet choice we want. They took one step forward, then another back.

[Puupi]

In a raid/group environment, definitely. In general questing, Ferocity will be incredibly nice for the leech. Even Cunning for the bit of movement speed. They each have their own strengths, and they're pretty legit. It's just very limiting on our choices, and we're supposed to have whatever pet choice we want. They took one step forward, then another back.

3% leech just isn't enough. 10% would be.

[ringdele]

I have DEV question, if all pets are tanks and have growl or taunt-how do we not pull aggro from tanks in a group?

[Tehterokkar]

In a raid/group environment, definitely. In general questing, Ferocity will be incredibly nice for the leech. Even Cunning for the bit of movement speed. They each have their own strengths, and they're pretty legit. It's just very limiting on our choices, and we're supposed to have whatever pet choice we want. They took one step forward, then another back.

3% leech is horse shit. Especially for BM which has a vast majority of its damage done from non-Hunter sources.

SV has similar issues as BM, but not as severe. And MM plays without a pet.

So 3% leech is garbage tier, so is 8% movement speed. Meanwhile 10% EHP and 20% DR CD is invaluable.

[Onikaroshi]

3% leech is horse shit. Especially for BM which has a vast majority of its damage done from non-Hunter sources.

SV has similar issues as BM, but not as severe. And MM plays without a pet.

So 3% leech is garbage tier, so is 8% movement speed. Meanwhile 10% EHP and 20% DR CD is invaluable.

Yup, goodbye choice!

Raiding? Tenacity
World/Questing? Tenacity
Pvp? Tenacity

10% HP and a CD? Too strong.

[Renley]

3% leech is horse shit. Especially for BM which has a vast majority of its damage done from non-Hunter sources.

SV has similar issues as BM, but not as severe. And MM plays without a pet.

So 3% leech is garbage tier, so is 8% movement speed. Meanwhile 10% EHP and 20% DR CD is invaluable.

I mean, that's my point(in a nut shell). I don't think leech/move speed is all that bad in isolation, but VS Tenacity, yeah. Tenacity is going to be a no brainer in most content, which is my issue. We've gone from no braining Brez/Lust pets to no braining Tenacity pets.

[Xloudman]

I have DEV question, if all pets are tanks and have growl or taunt-how do we not pull aggro from tanks in a group?

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[Renley]

Yup, goodbye choice!

Raiding? Tenacity
World/Questing? Tenacity
Pvp? Tenacity

10% HP and a CD? Too strong.

In PvP, Cunning still might stand out. Master's Call is pretttttttty good, and the move speed certainly helps a bit. Guess it'd depend on what classes you're fighting.

[MrTharne]

And isn't the dispell from some families also too strong compare to all the others families' spells in a PvE setting ? Meaning that Stags and Spirit Beasts will be more useful than the others because they are both Tenacity with the dispell.

[Renley]

And isn't the dispell from some families also too strong compare to all the others families' spells in a PvE setting ? Meaning that Stags and Spirit Beasts will be more useful than the others because they are both Tenacity with the dispell.

Basically. Spirit Beast is going to be the go-to raid pet. Heal(minor), dispel/enrage removal, 10% max HP, survivability cooldown. It's nuts.

[Onikaroshi]

And isn't the dispell from some families also too strong compare to all the others families' spells in a PvE setting ? Meaning that Stags and Spirit Beasts will be more useful than the others because they are both Tenacity with the dispell.

Yup. Hope everyone is ready to use nothing but stags and spirit beasts

[Eapoe]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but cunning buffs only apply to the Hunter correct? Maybe they could make it more appealing by having cunning provide the buff to the whole raid (leech and movement speed).
As far as tenacity, it is definitely looking to be the go to pet for everything right now. In a raid, lust/hero is brought by other classes, and the extra damage reductionand health are very strong. To offset it I can definitely see Blizz implementing it as is and then nerfing it to 1-2% extra health.
I like that they are giving all specs the ability to tank/damage by giving them the same core abilities; but other factors to think of are things like if Wyverns are keeping their breath attack, do turtles keep their slam? If these are yes, then it's another factor to consider for raid encounters for extra damage, on top of the already mind jarring task of having the correct pets on hand for solo world content, solo old raid content, PVP, raids, and m+. I really hope Blizz expands the number of slots of pets we can keep on hand without making a lot of trips to the stables to swap things around constantly.

[Deleted]

Monkey disorient? Shale Spider stun? Are you coming back?

[Renley]

Monkey disorient? Shale Spider stun? Are you coming back?

One could hope, but I'm doubtful.

[Traveler Voltin]

who the hell is in charge of the hunter pet changes?

[FelPlague]

To say that it pisses me off that they're going back to the days of 'x pet is x spec only' would be a colossal understatement. Why anyone with a functional brain thinks less choice is a good thing, is beyond me.

This is a dealbreaker for me.

technically more choice actuallty, as you are no longer forced into BM with a corehound if you want to hero...
so sorry but its actuallty better...

[ydraw]

And isn't the dispell from some families also too strong compare to all the others families' spells in a PvE setting ? Meaning that Stags and Spirit Beasts will be more useful than the others because they are both Tenacity with the dispell.

Haven't they literally said we are getting Tranq shot back? In which case the pet ability would only save a GCD.

[Mavick]

Yup, goodbye choice!

Raiding? Tenacity
World/Questing? Tenacity
Pvp? Tenacity

10% HP and a CD? Too strong.

As opposed to now where it's literally just a choice of Quillen/Moth/Crane or Corehound/Netherray (and whatever couple I forgot)?

The assumption that every fight/situation is going to require an offensive dispel is also absurd. You might want to wait and see what all pet classes/skins are included in the tenacity spec (1/3 would be a reasonable assumption) before you start hurling out unfounded statements of "lack of choice".

In fact, that amount of overreaction in this thread is well past the bounds of stupidity. People need to get a grip on their cognitive functions.