Battle for Azeroth Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Paraka]

It's a part of it, it's evolved since WCI and WCII, it'd get stale if it was just between the two factions.

Same can be said about "Next Level Bigger Bad" Expansion power climb too. A little back and forth is damn refreshing. Keeps us leveled knowing there is always background radiation of your faction against another.

[Deleted]

To prevent all this staleness there's only one thing for them to do. The other side of the planet boyz! And to our surprise that's where Final Fantasy 14 takes place.

Now the real war starts.

[derpkitteh]

Demons in wow are dimensional too, i don't know what legion you are seeing, but they are chaotic naturally evil and just want to burn and consume everything, the Legion just have a goal because sargeras give to then

they are inclined towards chaotic behavior due to fel being part of their genetic makeup, but are not 100% evil. they can choose how they want to behave.

Isn't the Old Gods taking that role anyway? I mean, they're essentially coming from an all-consuming entity hellbent on destroying everything to nothingness. Which, essentially means extinguishing all life.

yeah, the void is very lackluster. but it's better than faction war. anything is better than faction war.

[Syegfryed]

they are inclined towards chaotic behavior due to fel being part of their genetic makeup, but are not 100% evil. they can choose how they want to behave.

they are just like normal demons from hell, this construction of not being 100% evil or have different manners can be applied to any of then

i prefer demons from hell, not aliens, in the thematic sense

[derpkitteh]

they are just like normal demons from hell, this construction of not being 100% evil or have different manners can be applied to any of then

i prefer demons from hell, not aliens, in the thematic sense

that's not how demons from hell are at all. they are 100% evil, everything they do is to further evil. they have no personality, no life, they exist only to torment and further the cause of evil.

[Syegfryed]

that's not how demons from hell are at all. they are 100% evil, everything they do is to further evil. they have no personality, no life, they exist only to torment and further the cause of evil.

they can be, and they can't be, depend of who write then, i already saw a lot of stories who are different, besides, most of the legion demons are like that anyway, the thematic of space aliens is inferior

[Caerule]

Eh, everyone has instincts that feel good to fulfill. We get satisfaction and pleasure from eating when we're hungry, completing a construction, cuddling a loved one or pet, and from stuff like sex. A demon also has instincts that it is driven by, and takes satisfaction from. Sure, it has free will, but it is a creature of chaos and dark power. It gets satisfaction from destruction and disorder, seeks out power, and takes joy from inflicting negativity upon others. A WoW demon may be able to choose not to do these things. Just like I might choose to nearly starve myself for the rest of my life. I'm just not very likely to make that choice.

As for the Horde and Alliance conflict. I am not a fan. But I understand it'll sell a lot more copies of the game then putting N'Zoth on the box. At the very least, it'll move the story of Azeroth forward. I can't stand expansions that end up having no impact on the story of Azeroth, like WoD did.

[Ticj]

they are inclined towards chaotic behavior due to fel being part of their genetic makeup, but are not 100% evil. they can choose how they want to behave.



yeah, the void is very lackluster. but it's better than faction war. anything is better than faction war.

Because having yet another big bad allows for more character development than a war between characters with their own personalities?

We haven't had a good villain since the Lich King. (garrosh was kind of okay, but he was from a faction war which proves my point)


With Legion blizzard couldn't be assed to make threatening villains either. Them pulling a titan out of nowhere shows that.




I'm excited for a faction war because it seems like the only way blizzard knows how to show good character development between BOTH factions, which is something we really need right now.

[Ningjinq]

One practical advantage of HvA is that the “always chasing a bigger bad” isn’t an issue. Ofc, that’s just in theory and it certainly doesn’t look like much of endgame’s story will be HvA and we are going to kick it off by killing an Old God.

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Because having yet another big bad allows for more character development than a war between characters with their own personalities?

We haven't had a good villain since the Lich King. (garrosh was kind of okay, but he was from a faction war which proves my point)


With Legion blizzard couldn't be assed to make threatening villains either. Them pulling a titan out of nowhere shows that.




I'm excited for a faction war because it seems like the only way blizzard knows how to show good character development between BOTH factions, which is something we really need right now.

I feel like that’s just a natural consequence of the necessity of short, contained mini stories. Arthas had time to be built up for years, so he was a lot more fleshed out.

I don’t think they can really do that anymore. They need to finish the stories they start quickly so as not to lose people’s attention.

Now you definitely could say the faction conflict does allow for long term build up as all of the main characters of the Horde and Alliance have been around for quite awhile.

[rcshaggy]

They should name the Frog loa Kek.

I like the name he has already...
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Krag%27wa

[tristannarutofan]

LMAO! This is the dumbest shit I've read in a long time.

The core of Warcraft/WoW is the faction conflict, and it will always be.
There's always FF14 if you want a MMO where you can't hit each other.

You stay triggered in your corner while the rest of us march out into a glorious war~

Sorry but u are just flat out wrong and it's embarrassing you choose to be while u insult ppl in a way that is wrong.

Like....the modern horde didn't exist till Warcraft 3 and almost all conflict was between one of those factions and the legion. The horde and alliance didn't start fighting till northern.

Where do ppl get this idea "war equals hva "

Fighting demons is war. Forming treaties and trucks is a part of war. Filling supply lines is a part of war.

Sorry but if u think war is all mindless killing u don't like war and are a fake fan.

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they are inclined towards chaotic behavior due to fel being part of their genetic makeup, but are not 100% evil. they can choose how they want to behave.



yeah, the void is very lackluster. but it's better than faction war. anything is better than faction war.

Unless it's killing sylvannas the faction war is good and wholesome

[CasualFilth]

She and Nathanos get rez'd by Anduin and take a vacation at the Steam Pools so they can fuck like rabbits for the next couple of expansions

I for one pick the last option.

Only if we as PC get to join them...

[Lahis]

The whole faction conflict in BfA feels like a misdirection.

"This expansion is totally about Horde vs. Alliance. Just ignore all the Old God shit. And Azshara, definetly don't notice her."

[Ramz]

She and Nathanos get rez'd by Anduin and take a vacation at the Steam Pools so they can fuck like rabbits for the next couple of expansions

I for one pick the last option.

Why contaminating Steam pools with undead crap ? Throw them to some dungeon they won't notice any difference to what they had so far.

[tristannarutofan]

The whole faction conflict in BfA feels like a misdirection.

"This expansion is totally about Horde vs. Alliance. Just ignore all the Old God shit. And Azshara, definetly don't notice her."

Well in the q and a they said that ppl were m8ssing this?was aalso the battle to SAVE zeroth.

It's like mists of pandaria

[Nevcairiel]

Like....the modern horde didn't exist till Warcraft 3 and almost all conflict was between one of those factions and the legion. The horde and alliance didn't start fighting till northern.

The very first Warcraft game (Warcraft: Orcs & Humans) started with the conflict between Humans and Orcs. No legion, no Undead Scourge, just plain old Orcs vs Humans.
While this may not have been the Alliance and Horde as we know it today, the Humans and Orcs are basically the bulk of those two factions, and their war was the cornerstone of the Warcraft universe since forever.

[velocity49]

max payn 3 till best

[Puupi]

The whole faction conflict in BfA feels like a misdirection.

"This expansion is totally about Horde vs. Alliance. Just ignore all the Old God shit. And Azshara, definetly don't notice her."

Of course it is misdirection.

The expansion is titled "Battle for Azeroth", not "Alliance vs. Horde". We are made to think we are fighting for Azeroth against the other faction, when really the fight for Azeroth is against Old Gods, Void Lords, Azshara and all that shit.

It starts with alliance vs horde bickering, but then... Player 3 has entered the game.

[Deleted]

I hope Azeroth (The Titan) wakes up at the end of BfA and basically goes all "angry mom" on us. Y'know, like an angry mom who walks in on her two sons fighting.

Azeroth: "Stop this fighting now! We have more important things to do. The Void Lords are plotting as we speak!"
H&A: "But they started it!"
A: "Remember Theramore!"
H: "Remember Lordaeron! "
A: "SOUTHSHORE"
H: "CAMP TAURAJO"
A: "Anduin Loth-"
Azeroth: "SHUT IT. BOTH OF YOU. OR YOU'RE GETTING THE SLIPPER!"
H&A: "B-but Lady Azeroth. You slipper would be the size of Kalimdor.."
Azeroth: "Exactly..."

[Phinx]

I hope Azeroth (The Titan) wakes up at the end of BfA and basically goes all "angry mom" on us. Y'know, like an angry mom who walks in on her two sons fighting.

Azeroth: "Stop this fighting now! We have more important things to do. The Void Lords are plotting as we speak!"
H&A: "But they started it!"
A: "Remember Theramore!"
H: "Remember Lordaeron! "
A: "SOUTHSHORE"
H: "CAMP TAURAJO"
A: "Anduin Loth-"
Azeroth: "SHUT IT. BOTH OF YOU. OR YOU'RE GETTING THE SLIPPER!"
H&A: "B-but Lady Azeroth. You slipper would be the size of Kalimdor.."
Azeroth: "Exactly..."

I don't think any anger from Azeroth is ever going to be directed at the player directly. Maybe at the Horde and Alliance in general, but if I remember correctly the sole reason why Magni gave the player this necklace is to heal Azeroth.