PM bans sex after Deputy scandal

[Torto]

Australian Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce is under pressure tor resign after it emerged he got a former staffer pregnant after an affair. In an effort to limit the damage, Prime Minister Turnball has just banned ministers from having relations with staffers as part of the Ministers code of conduct.

http://www.news.com.au/national/poli...2624f38a0fd207

This brings the Parliament in line with recent moves in the Australian private sector where two football CEO's were found to have had affairs with subordinates and were fired. There is now a debate taking place as to what rights do other people have to interfere with what two consenting adults do in the bedroom, and whether they are work colleagues should make a difference.

There is a view that those in positions of power can abuse their status to coerce subordinates to have sex. To be clear, the Joyce affair not like the Clinton/Lewinski affair where Clinton prayed on an impressionable intern. The woman involved, Vikki Campion, is in no way a victim.

Is this ban on relationships fair? Whether it involves politicians, CEO's or anyone who is a boss, is there a moral requirement to protect subordinates whether they ask for the protection or not?

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Why are so many people in this world driven by sex... Bunch of monkeys is what we still are.

[TyrianFC]

Why are so many people in this world driven by sex... Bunch of monkeys is what we still are.

Is there a problem with that? There is nothing wrong about embracing/accepting that we are animals and have sexual urges and in many ways, are driven by sex.

Is this ban on relationships fair?

The more interesting question is whether, given Australia just had a plebiscite on Gay Marriage before it became law, someone like Barnaby should have been in a position to vote on any legislation... or even comment on it, and how much weight his opinion opposing same sex marriage should be given - given that his views on marriage in all his statements seemingly omitted to mention that marriage doesnt involve having a wife but also fucking your employees and having children with them out of wedlock etc. (even though I think he abstained from the actual vote?).

The 'sanctity' of marriage, ha ha ha. Its not the affair itself, its the hypocrisy that matters. Just like Trump would tell you a marriage is between a man and his (third) wife - with the paid-off porn star swept away to the side.

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Is there a problem with that? There is nothing wrong about embracing/accepting that we are animals and have sexual urges.

Being able to control urges is what separates us from animals. Or it should at least, but many people fail at it.

[Moralgy]

Dat title is such clickbait.

[Speaknoevil]

Sex is great, it is too bad they banned it in the EU. I wonder what the penalty for it is.

[Ozyorkbourne]

Why are so many people in this world driven by sex... Bunch of monkeys is what we still are.

We are animals. The base instinct of any species is to reproduce - to continue the species. A species that succeeds is driven by sex (along with a lack of natural predators and an abundant food/water source/shelter).

[TyrianFC]

Being able to control urges is what separates us from animals. Or it should at least, but many people fail at it.

We are animals, we are not 'separate' from them. It would be highly unnatural for us to not be driven by sex (or more specifically - desire to reproduce / perpetuate the species).

[Torto]

Dat title is such clickbait.

Agreed, but it was taken directly from the articles front page on their website. Journalists these days.....

[TyrianFC]

Agreed, but it was taken directly from the articles front page on their website. Journalists these days.....

I laughed when I read the news report headline earlier today. I can imagine the journo's sat around the table and giggled at how much of a clickbaity headline it was, but ran with it anyway. haha

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Being able to control urges is what separates us from animals. Or it should at least, but many people fail at it.

how does it seperate us from what we are ?

[pateuvasiliu]

Why are so many people in this world driven by sex... Bunch of monkeys is what we still are.

Because there's nothing wrong with it.

I never understood banning sexual relationships between colleagues. Bias is going to happen either way, whether it's because you like Bob's personality and give him handouts or because you like Bob's dick and give him handjobs.


Also for a lot of people their workplace is the people they spend most of their time with. Unless you're using Tinder or some other hookup/dating application you're not going to swim in people that don't work with you.

[Moon-Man]

We are animals, we are not 'separate' from them.

We are separate from other animals mate. We live in a society (there are some animals too), in buildings, driving motor vehicles, inventing stuff, in other words, we are more advanced, we are different from an animal. Which we have the responsibility to control such urges. Or do you just bang anything that moves?

If we are not separate from them, then why arent we live in caves or in the woods like animals do then?

[EliWallach]

Guy I worked for many years ago had an affair with a drop dead gorgeous Asian lady. Middle aged second level engineering manager, no idea how he got her, but she worked in one of his departments. He kept it on the up and up though and transferred her out of his area before getting serious. Otherwise there likely would have been some serious repercussions. Eventually left his family and married her so it worked out fine, for him at least. So yeah, want to have sex with a subordinate? Move them out from under your control first. And in this day and age, if you don't do that and things work out poorly, just watch and see what happens.

[Torto]

In a workplace, especially if that workplace is public, mandating disclosure of relations is a reasonable ethical measure to avert conflicts of interest, safeguard the workplace itself from suits both by internal stakeholders (sexual harassment) and external stakeholders and create a sense of transparency. The disclosures can be made to human resources and privacy be protected.

You are correct, transparency is the key. All the politicians and journalists knew about this affair months ago yet never reported it. Clear double standards here as everyone now clambers for the moral high ground.

[TyrianFC]

You are correct, transparency is the key. All the politicians and journalists knew about this affair months ago yet never reported it. Clear double standards here as everyone now clambers for the moral high ground.

With the worst part being, it wasnt just merely they knew 'months ago', it was months ago which included the time period that encompassed the by-election in his New England seat. They could have broke the story then, but didnt etc.

[Trassk]

Why are so many people in this world driven by sex... Bunch of monkeys is what we still are.

You don't have a healthy option on sex, so your not someone who's well enough to criticize it.

Having some stuffy old politicians who only value work and no play deciding on how people treat sex is just as bad as letting pedophiles off scot free, their polar ends of the scale and it takes a middle ground to work with this.

[Raqubor]

This is retarded. What two adults do is their business. People in power can't have sex anymore? Obviously keep in line with your commitments and morals.