JJ Abrams Returning To Director’s Chair On ‘Star Wars: Episode IX’

[Super Kami Dende]

Maul's fighting style makes a lot more sense if you think of his weapon as a quarterstaff. I actually think the most egregious part was at the very end where he just stands there like a moron while Obi-wan flips over his head and bisects him from behind. He had the High Ground, he should have turned Ben into a quadriplegic, Mustafar-style.

He should have, but the entire point of that scene was to show his arrogance.

[Mormolyce]

Let's not kid ourselves about the quality of direction in Star Wars movies. Outside of the two directly helmed by Spielberg, they're all mediocre FX porn.

George Lucas.

[Lumineus]

I didn't stutter. Spielberg was heavily involved in A New Hope and Empire, taking a back seat in Jedi. It showed.

[Katchii]

The sword fights in the original trilogy are a lot more realistic. People don't do flips and spins in real sword fights...if you did you'd get skewered in seconds, or if using a lightsaber probably cut off your own leg or arm on accident. Also, double bladed weapons are nonsense and impractical, even moreso with lightsabers.

Oh and the lightsaber fight scenes in the original with Vader used Bob Anderson instead of David Prowse. Anderson was a former olympic fencer and legendary fight choreographer. He also was the guy responsible for the swordplay in LotR, Zorro and Highlander.

So yeah, both martial artists, but the difference is that Bob Anderson was an actual master swordsman and his fight scenes were a LOT more believable because of it. People don't do fucking flips and spin moves in sword fights unless they have a sudden urge to die.

While a fair point, they looked incredibly boring on screen in comparison to the fights in the prequel trilogy. Also, this is a fantasy world with space magic and preternatural reflexes and whatnot in play, a certain level of over the top flare is expected, not mundane fights.

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Well, he's the only hope Star Wars movie franchise has at the moment. The shit Rian did should just be explained by "it was all a dream" or some bullshit. Who allowed that idiot in the director's chair has clearly no idea what Star Wars lore is.

[BuckSparkles]

You know I watch Forces Awakens and was a bit disappointed with it, wasn't a Fan of what J.J. had done with it just being mostly a Rehash. Then I watched it twice more and kind of got the feel of it and Went from disappointment to contentment.

I then watched The Last Jedi twice and there is absolutely nothing but disappointment and hate for what that movie became.

Agreed. Force awakens was a bit too much like episode 4, but it did have a good balance of drama and humor.

Last jedi was pretty much a goofy marvel movie. there was 0 tension, and t hat sucked quite a bit of joy and value from it.

[Mormolyce]

I didn't stutter. Spielberg was heavily involved in A New Hope and Empire, taking a back seat in Jedi. It showed.

He didn't helm any Star Wars film and as far as I can tell was not heavily involved in the first two.

George Lucas had a lot of collaborators on the first two films that contributed in various ways to their unique character. Spielberg wasn't one of them.

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While a fair point, they looked incredibly boring on screen in comparison to the fights in the prequel trilogy. Also, this is a fantasy world with space magic and preternatural reflexes and whatnot in play, a certain level of over the top flare is expected, not mundane fights.

The prequel trilogy fights look like awkward, heavily staged wire-and-bluescreen relics from the early 2000s, even before you get to the bad CGI. They're badly dated already.

[NatePsy]

Passionless, ridiculous dance routines.

I don't ever want to see glowstick rave backflip parties in Star Wars again.

Star Wars isn't real life though. Jedi and Sith are individuals with incredible reflexes, agility and combat ability in due part to being force sensitive. If I wanted realistic I'd watch Olympic fencing, with you know, humans that aren't force sensitive with any particular gifts other than their own natural abilities. Don't ever compare anything real with a fantasy world, it just looks silly.

Personally I loved the fight sequences post Return of the Jedi. It showed a lot more of what the Jedi and Sith could do

[Crudence]

How can people hate the lightsaber fights of the prequels? They are awesome. They are jedi and sith, at their peak, they are supposed to be over the top. And it makes a lot of sense that the lightsaber battle between Luke and Vader is a bit more brutal and less refined, Luke is not a jedi trained in lightsaber battle since childhood. And Vader is getting old and is in a robot suit, so his movement is limited. I personally think the best fights are Luke vs Vader in Return, Darth Maul fights in Phantom and Anakin vs Obi wan, that last one definitively being the most over the top fight, but damn it is cool and intense.

I am pretty good with J. J coming back. Force Awakens was miles better than Last Jedi... Even though I still think Rey should've gotten her ass kicked by Kylo and get saved by the earth cracking. Why does she never lose a fight? She should at least lose a hand! I hope J. J retcons the last Jedi. Maybe the whole film was Finn dreaming in his comatose, that would be great.

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I hope J. J retcons the last Jedi. Maybe the whole film was Finn dreaming in his comatose, that would be great.

The most unforgivable thing was the treatment that Luke Skywalker got.

They could explain that Luke's Force projection was so powerful that it physically teleported him to some random place. Or something. Even the most ridiculous fix to reverse it would be better than that movie's current bullshit ending.

[eschatological]

Loving the prequel fights is like saying you love watching a painter hang drywall. No matter how expert a painter he is, it's boring, shitty, meaningless shitwork. He can paint Guernica on it afterwards, and that's, yanno, like character, and motivation, and a plot that makes sense, but the technical prowess of creating the backdrop means nothing.

[Tackhisis]

Star Wars franchise is dead, and there is no way to revive it. It was looking fresh in 1970s, but it has been 50 years since. It's esthetics and mechanics look dated, and it cannot impress anymore. The only way forward is a complete reboot, but no one will risk that because of the mass of the men who still wastes money on their childhood fantasy and all the paraphernalia. For the new generation, there is nothing to relate with in that franchise, and a new old director won't fix that.

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How can people hate the lightsaber fights of the prequels? They are awesome.

Any trash Chinese movie has better fights than those. Flashy swordplay is completely undeveloped in the West.

[Zeta333]

The sword fights in the original trilogy are a lot more realistic. People don't do flips and spins in real sword fights...if you did you'd get skewered in seconds, or if using a lightsaber probably cut off your own leg or arm on accident. Also, double bladed weapons are nonsense and impractical, even moreso with lightsabers.

Oh and the lightsaber fight scenes in the original with Vader used Bob Anderson instead of David Prowse. Anderson was a former olympic fencer and legendary fight choreographer. He also was the guy responsible for the swordplay in LotR, Zorro and Highlander.

So yeah, both martial artists, but the difference is that Bob Anderson was an actual master swordsman and his fight scenes were a LOT more believable because of it. People don't do fucking flips and spin moves in sword fights unless they have a sudden urge to die.

People also didnt have the force in real life. The duel of fates is entirely realistic when you take into the precog ability of all 3 combantants. They know where thier blades are, will be and thier allies or enemies. They are not fighting traditional with metal swords, they are fighting with swords of light. While being able to enhance abilities with force energy, pushs and jumps.

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Star Wars franchise is dead, and there is no way to revive it. It was looking fresh in 1970s, but it has been 50 years since. It's esthetics and mechanics look dated, and it cannot impress anymore. The only way forward is a complete reboot, but no one will risk that because of the mass of the men who still wastes money on their childhood fantasy and all the paraphernalia. For the new generation, there is nothing to relate with in that franchise, and a new old director won't fix that.

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Any trash Chinese movie has better fights than those. Flashy swordplay is completely undeveloped in the West.

They did a full reboot. Starwars was alive and well then disney bought it and is turning it into a marketing franchise.

[Mormolyce]

Star Wars isn't real life though.

I'm judging it as a movie.

[NatePsy]

Eh...the fight scenes with Maul are the best ever in star wars films.

I like Darth Vader, Luke etc but those fights are not exactly impressive.

Maul, done by a real martial artist

Vader, Luke, done by people who have never held a sword before n did basic swings that if movies weren't as kewl as they were, would not be memorable in the slightest. There's nothing "epic" there..

Also Maul held his own against two Jedi, nearly killing both, Kylo Ren (lol) well after Rey he better hope he doesn't run into an actual Jedi...


Maul is the reason I didn't eat my Ep1 ticket after the movie..

The animation for the fight between Maul and Opress against Sidious on the animated Clone Wars TV show was pretty freaking badass, just showcased how immensely well versed in battle Sidious was compared to Maul and Opress

[Jetstream]

How can people hate the lightsaber fights of the prequels? They are awesome. They are jedi and sith, at their peak, they are supposed to be over the top. And it makes a lot of sense that the lightsaber battle between Luke and Vader is a bit more brutal and less refined, Luke is not a jedi trained in lightsaber battle since childhood. And Vader is getting old and is in a robot suit, so his movement is limited. I personally think the best fights are Luke vs Vader in Return, Darth Maul fights in Phantom and Anakin vs Obi wan, that last one definitively being the most over the top fight, but damn it is cool and intense.

I hate the prequel duels because they don’t resemble combat. None of the duelists are attacking each other. Watch the fights. They’re all attacking each other’s sword blades.

[Katchii]

The speed with which they fought in the prequels was pretty great. I still feel like the fights against Dooku slowed things down so Lucas could pay tribute to Lee. And the big scenes with many Jedi were underwhelming. In my opinion, of course.

I'll agree with that. The group fights were not as good as the one on one fights.

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He didn't helm any Star Wars film and as far as I can tell was not heavily involved in the first two.

George Lucas had a lot of collaborators on the first two films that contributed in various ways to their unique character. Spielberg wasn't one of them.

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The prequel trilogy fights look like awkward, heavily staged wire-and-bluescreen relics from the early 2000s, even before you get to the bad CGI. They're badly dated already.

And the fights from the original trilogy look like slow, play fighting with stick swords with no feeling of danger to me. Dated or not, they looked better and were more entertaining on screen.

[Nefarious Tea]

Let's not kid ourselves about the quality of direction in Star Wars movies. Outside of the two directly helmed by Spielberg, they're all mediocre FX porn. If they don't do something about the writing and the thinly veiled political dickery that probably comes down from Disney corporate, they'll continue to flounder.

It's cute that you think the first six films weren't absolutely filled with political commentary too.

And I don't mean the literal political shit in the prequels, either.

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After the last one I'll give this a pass. I was never much into star wars to begin with but the last one was just all over the place with its plot

[Ozzyorcborne]

The animation for the fight between Maul and Opress against Sidious on the animated Clone Wars TV show was pretty freaking badass, just showcased how immensely well versed in battle Sidious was compared to Maul and Opress

That fight was fucking amazing. The one thing im truly grateful for with the prequels is that we got the clone wars, which had a bunch of really good fights. If anything, flush episode 9 like the rehashed turd its going to be and do clone wars seasons 7 and 8 instead.