Something very similar happened to my wife, guy high on drugs broken in through a front window and was armed with a knife while my wife was home, fortunately she was lucky and got out before he got her and flagged down a cop chasing the guy, but if she had been in a different area in the house things could have gone a lot worse.
I truly don't mind a sensible, law abiding mentally healthy person owning a gun, but ugh it's out of control right now, something has to give because the number of shootings since the turn of the year are just insanity.
If you want to keep your guns you will be able to but you are going to be giving up a lot of freedoms for it, the US gov is not concerned with mental health which is the main seed of all this that could easily be fixed. You all will be surveyed, they will be able to see everything you do at all times in far scarier ways than they do now, every US citizen will be on terrorist watch and be considered a potential terrorist because they will have the ability to have lethal weapons and create lethal weapons. You just wait shit is going to get a whole lot scarier for you guys that want to keep that right, but the government knows you want to keep it and that is what they are betting on, and you know what they are winning that bet.
I live in Rural MN and Have 8 guns currently, I am saving up to buy a New AR for Coyote, Fox, and Prairie Dog Hunting. I have 6 Shot Guns a .22 rifle and a .223 Rifle all are used for Hunting and Clay Pigeon shooting. 4 of the Guns have been passed down in my family from my Great Grandfather I shoot them all, not all of them regularly. I have one In each Out building for varmint and critter control we have a very bad Coyote problem around us, so much so that there is no season or limit to how many you can shoot. Also have had a few Rabid coons that I have shot in the past few years. The .22 never gets used as we cannot use Rifles for Deer hunting where I live in MN and its not nearly powerful enough to land the 300-600 Yd shots that I love hitting Prairie Dogs and Coyotes at. So I basically only use my 12 Gauge that I got from my Dad for Clay shooting and varmint control on the yard, and my .223 Rifle for hunting.
How do you propose that someone comes into my Home and takes away something that has been a part of my family for over 100 years in the case of one of my shot guns? This is the issue I see with it, there is no reason to have anything other than a Handgun when you live in a large city. Out here in the sticks where we actually use our guns as tools I just don't see how you can regulate them more. I am all for stricter laws on purchasing guns, but the whole "Get rid of all guns" thing is just not realistic.
So, it's going to take the majority of Americans having lost a loved one in a mass shooting to have a productive conversation where people understand some principles better? The principle being common sense gun legislation is not a proverbial boogeyman, and might actually do some good.
As for the, no firearm argument, I know very few (personally none) Americans who are saying responsible gun owners shouldn't be allowed to own reasonable firearms. If anyone needs an AR-15 with a high-capacity magazine to defend themselves, then they probably need some different friends.
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As someone already said, he was not too young. But while what you say is an important cultural problem, there is another in this context. US culture, especially that aimed at young people, still glorifies guns, often also vigilantism. Guns are pretty much the #1 problem solving tool presented by the entertainment industry, instead of being presented as a last resort that has to be used responsibly. It is not just the lax gun laws in which the US differs from other countries. Guns are a symbol of freedom, of something that makes the powerless powerful. Thus, it is only natural that those who feel oppressed, confined, weak see them as ways out of there issues, while other revel in the power they give them.
The US needs not necessarily stricter gun laws, although those might help, but a different attitude towards them. But that is something that is incredibly hard to facilitate. As long as that does not happen, no amount of gun regulation will truly work.
I agree and disagree with your point.
The pro gun side thinks or will think this is not so much a gun issue as it is a health one, a culture issue and many other issues rolled into a bigger lump.
Going on the assumptions that the weapon used is the main and only factor is wrong and why the pro 2 A side will dig in and not move on this issue.
The first step can not be to take away a fundamental right.
As has been stated before the weapon used is not so much the issue as is the perceived "reasons" the human did it along with the various other variables leading up to this.
Sadly though, we will continue to have this circle jerk of an argument, it isn't a discussion anymore, because we will not honestly look at all the points involved, or even agree on the actual problem for that matter,just the quick fix that ultimately will cause a whole other set of issues thrusting us into spending more money, wasting more time and costing more lives.
Na. You need to be 21 for a handgun to be purchased or gifted. In Ohio, common ammo for a handgun, you need to be 21 to purchase.
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Those are important. I have deadbolts on all the outside entrance doors. And 3 security lights. And 2 dogs, which seem to bark at the slightest outside sound. But even with all those, the average time for the police to reach a scene is 8 mins. You could be dead and the intruder long gone. That time is much longer out here in the rural area I live in.
True, but in Canada the area where I live, the worst thing we have had happen as far as break in is concerned is teenagers going into unlocked cars to steal shit after school lol. We are not worried about all that extra shit related to guns, it is not a worry we have to have. It is a huge burden to have that shit on your mind 24/7.
Don't Need it for Defense, but that 15+ Round Magazine sure comes in handy when you are Hunting and shooting long range shots. I have a Bolt action Rifle with a 4 round mag. Let me tell you it sure sucks when I'm out hunting and everyone else has 15-30 round clips and I am sitting there like an ass reloading every 4 shots and not getting near the shooting time in. I agree that there needs to be control, but flat out taking an industry that fuels much of Rural us and saying No, you cannot do that anymore just isn't practical.
I agree there are too many people who posses firearms and shouldn't. I am not opposed to a mandatory safetly training before you can purchase a firearm. My children have been raised around firearms and instructed the importance of firearm safety. Sadly, this is not the case in too many.
Forever tie those firearms to your name, so when they inevitably get stolen or lost and then end up in the hands of someone who wants to use it in a crime, you and your family will be held liable.
This would force "responsible" gun owners and gun rights advocates to make it of the utmost importance to practice diligent firearm security standards.
As for your necessity for an AR for regulating pests on your property, one would like to think that would be dismissed as immaterial when restricting the sale of ARs to the public to curb soft target massacres.
Not just a need, but the choice to own one. And magazines can be quickly exchanged. Anyone who has practiced doing it, understands it only takes a second or two to do it. A SKS rifle, which is not like the design of the AR-15, but holds 10 rounds and fires a more powerful round in the 7.62mm can kill several people very quickly.
See, we have the same thing going on around here. I get mad at my Wife or anyone else for that matter when they lock the car... I have never locked my house, Hell I didn't even have keys until a few months back for the doors. I love not having to deal with the large BS that other people talk about we have had 1 murder in the past 100 years in a 50 mile radius around where I live. I don't feel threatened by anyone breaking into my home because If Im there I have a gun to protect my family, if Im not there I could give 2 shits less.
A person that wants to kill will kill 2 maybe 3 with a knife, if that, before he is incapacitated, he won't mow down 17 people and seriously injure another 20 or frikkin' mow down 60 or what it was in Las Vegas? Besides, it takes balls on a whole other level to go killing with cold arms as opposed to having a gun.
Guns ARE a problem here, because they offer every coward and retard an easy and thoughtless way to kill people. Things are not that easy with knife or axe. Guns can mass produce murder, that's why you have these mass shootings, because with gun this can be done.
Not really. I sleep well at night with my .357 mag revolver close to my pillow. Actually better than I would not having it there for quick access. And out in the public? I feel safer with my concealed .380 small pistol than I would without one. No burden at all except using common sense to be aware of your surroundings and safely carrying the firearm.
Until you get gunned down by some retard with his concealed .380 small pistol because his coffee had too much sugar and he had a bad day and felt like shooting people was the way to go on.
I bet those guys in Vegas that got mowed down also had some concealed .380 small pistols, helped a ton there. Maybe we should offer schoolchildren .380 small pistols too? You know, just in case, to feel safer. Bulletproof vests too as mandatory school uniform too. Problem solved there!
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