Bring back ranged survival!!!

[Deleted]

Just do it. Millions would love to see it back.

Millions? Really? Well start with me ... I would not care in the slightest

[aikanaro]

There are tons of classes that have ranged options though.

If you take out all of the casters there is only 1 spec in the game that is even ranged right now, and that's bm. I don't like feeling like I'm getting carried by my pet so I have never liked bm. Argue mm isn't a caster... cuz I'm pretty sure aimed shot is a hard cast ability that causes you to stand still.

[Saphyron]

Lets put it this way. I loved my hunter since cataclysm as survival. Then legion came and now I hate my hunter. And it's only because they made survival melee.

[Ealyssa]

It is ranged, have you seen the alpha gameplay? Every ability is 40yrds except Raptor Strike and Mongoose Bite.

It's a melee spec playing with a melee weapon, that's not even debatable. Just a fact.

Every single melee has spells with high range, doesn't make them not melee.

[ydraw]

There are tons of classes that have ranged options though.

That's not the point though. Raid guilds recruit based on role (ranged DPS, Melee DPS, healer etc).

If you apply to a guild as a ranged DPS then swapping to survival if it becomes the best performing spec just isn't an option. Most guilds have way more melee than they need and not enough ranged DPS already.

So the effect is basically that we remain a pure DPS class with only 2 specs to choose from.

[Deleted]

Thanks for destroying an amazing class concept. Melee sv is a good idea( that really helps in the problem of class identy) the problem was its shitty gameplay. However instead of fixing the gameplay Blizz created an abomination just to please all the kids crying for ranged spec.

Check the bfa alpha notes.

[Martymark]

Hunter: A ranged pet class with specs that don't use pets or ranged attacks.

[Deleted]

I want them to bring back enumbers in candy in the UK!

Has anyone yet told the Op this is a fan site not the official blizz forums and non of us are devs?

[threads]

melee hunter is basically doomed to be a meme. what did they think would happen when you put a melee spec next to 2 of the most mobile ranged specs in the game. nobody wants a hunter taking up a melee spot in their guild/group.

even though the BfA one is like 90% ranged it's still a melee class for some reason so i see it failing for another xpac.

blizz needs to just correct this mistake of a spec before more people waste their time with it. it will suck for the 10 people that play it but will be better for the game overall.

[FelPlague]

Just do it. Millions would love to see it back.

millions? you think millions of people play survival hunter?

[Makabreska]

It is ranged, have you seen the alpha gameplay? Every ability is 40yrds except Raptor Strike and Mongoose Bite.

No it is melee, focus spenders are melee. You can't do your rotation if your not melee range. It's like saying enhancement is ranged, because some abilities are ranged and Ascention allows to aa from range.

I'm really looking forward to the new survival, was very excited for Legion version but it was a big disappointment. BfA for now looks great.

[jtveclipse]

There are tons of classes that have ranged options though.

Melee DPS = 12
Frost DK
Unholy DK
Havoc DH
Feral Druid
Survival Hunter
Windwalker Monk
Retribution Paladin
Assasination Rogue
Outlaw Rogue
Subtlety Rogue
Arms Warrior
Fury Warrior

Range DPS = 11
Balance Druid
Beast Master Hunter
Marksmen Hunter
Arcane Mage
Fire Mage
Frost Mage
Shadow Priest
Elemental Shaman
Affliction Warlock
Demology Warlock
Destruction Warlock

Its pretty much even, if survival was a range dps the numbers would just swap. The problem is, performance wise Legion has NOT be very range dps friendly. Outside of Affliction Locks and Spriest, the rest of the range dps pack is dominated by melee dps.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statistics/17#dataset=90
Hunters/Mages make up a large portion of the range dps and if you look overall they are the bottom half of the dps, every spec! Its kind of been like this all xpac.

Personally I like all the button smashing of Survival, its very engaging. Sadly with all the button smashing and things to keep track of, the numbers just aren't there and if the numbers aren't there, most people just won't play the spec.

[Unholyground]

That's not the point though. Raid guilds recruit based on role (ranged DPS, Melee DPS, healer etc).

If you apply to a guild as a ranged DPS then swapping to survival if it becomes the best performing spec just isn't an option. Most guilds have way more melee than they need and not enough ranged DPS already.

So the effect is basically that we remain a pure DPS class with only 2 specs to choose from.

Too bad for raid guilds? They are not going to change it because of all the whiners.

[ydraw]

Too bad for raid guilds? They are not going to change it because of all the whiners.

You don't actually know that. They change things all the time if people whine loudly enough.

E.G. BM Legendary Shoulders

But you're right, whining in this instance is pretty much useless since whining isn't required. They've already decided to go with melee survival again. It will fail again, then hopefully by the time the expansion after BFA comes along they will be able to put their pride aside and make it ranged again rather than keep persisting with a spec nobody wants.

[sam86]

Just do it. Millions would love to see it back.

didn't u know that blizz wanted survival hunter to be melee? they are 'only' 12 years late to 'fix' that

If you want a ranged hunter, just play MM or BM. SV was pretty much indistinguishable from the 2 other ranged specs to begin with.

was trap focus and more magical dmg, mm was physical ranged dmg focus, survival had lower dmg but the strongest cc
at least that was my impression about survival from TBC/Wrath, and i liked it the most for that

[Unholyground]

You don't actually know that. They change things all the time if people whine loudly enough.

E.G. BM Legendary Shoulders

But you're right, whining in this instance is pretty much useless since whining isn't required. They've already decided to go with melee survival again. It will fail again, then hopefully by the time the expansion after BFA comes along they will be able to put their pride aside and make it ranged again rather than keep persisting with a spec nobody wants.

It will turn out fine, most people who are using it in alpha are enjoying it it seems, and it will only get better with tuning. I plan on making a Zandalari Hunter and using it as my main with Survival.

[ydraw]

It will turn out fine, most people who are using it in alpha are enjoying it it seems, and it will only get better with tuning. I plan on making a Zandalari Hunter and using it as my main with Survival.

Survival was touted as the "most fun" melee spec during Legion alpha too. But it was the most dismal failure in the history of the game. Nobody wants Melee hunters.

[Lex Icon]

Survival was touted as the "most fun" melee spec during Legion alpha too. But it was the most dismal failure in the history of the game. Nobody wants Melee hunters.

if this was true then nobody would be playing it. you not liking something does not = it being a failure.

[aikanaro]

if this was true then nobody would be playing it. you not liking something does not = it being a failure.

Raiding wise it's 100% a failure with the lowest mythic representation at .3% regardless... I just want them to bring back a fun Hunter play style that isn't mainly I don't care if you call it thumbing my butthole spec I would still play it because it's the most fun to play I actually unsubbed the game after playing since vanilla because I couldn't stand playing BM or Marksmanship and I do not like playing melee unless I'm tanking. I don't want them to remove melee Hunter I did try it out I did play it for a little bit and yes it was fun I have no qualms with people who want to keep it and want to play it. They have just as much right to play they weigh that they want to. It's honestly all easily solved with them adding a fourth spec to Hunters like they did with Druids you can call it whatever you want I'm actually a firm believer in the problem being that it's still called survival and people want their spec to be called survival. Well I actually do enjoy using bows they could also make it a throwing class make javelins or throwing axes for instance.

[Lex Icon]

Raiding wise it's 100% a failure with the lowest mythic representation at .3% regardless... I just want them to bring back a fun Hunter play style that isn't mainly I don't care if you call it thumbing my butthole spec I would still play it because it's the most fun to play I actually unsubbed the game after playing since vanilla because I couldn't stand playing BM or Marksmanship and I do not like playing melee unless I'm tanking. I don't want them to remove melee Hunter I did try it out I did play it for a little bit and yes it was fun I have no qualms with people who want to keep it and want to play it. They have just as much right to play they weigh that they want to. It's honestly all easily solved with them adding a fourth spec to Hunters like they did with Druids you can call it whatever you want I'm actually a firm believer in the problem being that it's still called survival and people want their spec to be called survival. Well I actually do enjoy using bows they could also make it a throwing class make javelins or throwing axes for instance.

and how big is the mythic raid scene?
anywho i'ts not like classes and specs stay the same every expac. in fact pretty much every spec i've ever enjoyed have been changed drastically in some way or other that i have had to find something else to play with the release of a new expansion.