Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Breccia]

And of course FOX News, spinning as best they can.



Throwing around hard that, despite 41/43rds of their efforts being pro-Trump, this was against America (it was, but they were also pro-Trump, so, read into that what you will). Oh, and also posting Trump's tweet that this proves his innocence.

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Also, I'd like to add: Trump's line appears to be "the Russians didn't affect the outcome of the election, despite illegally spending money to contribute towards the campaign".

That sounds a lot like "it's not a crime to shoot at someone and miss."

[apeiron1234]

And of course FOX News, spinning as best they can.



Throwing around hard that, despite 41/43rds of their efforts being pro-Trump, this was against America (it was, but they were also pro-Trump, so, read into that what you will). Oh, and also posting Trump's tweet that this proves his innocence.

Ah, yeah this is what I was referring to in my other post. I hope at the end of the day justice prevails.

[Deleted]

Ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-oly shit. You've been saying that since day damn one, but figures as soon as something starts pointing to Trump you start to fold saying "I totally never thought that, I didn't vote for him at all, #MAGA was a sham!"

None of those indictments point to Trump. WTF are you babbling about? I usually don't respond to you (for obvious reasons) but...where the fuck does any of this "point to Trump"?

[Dug]

Wonder what kind of defense contracting jobs allow you the free time to shitpost on a WoW fan site subforum.

Or for that matter allow their Top Secret™ supacomputers to even access these websites. Really activates the almonds there.

[NYC17]

LOL - there you go agreeing with yourself again

It's not an agreement. It's a reiteration of factual statements. It's highlighting something you did literally minutes ago, lol.

Maybe you're just that unaware of your own absurdity, perhaps due to how much you put out there on a regular basis.

[Felya]

None of those indictments point to Trump. WTF are you babbling about? I usually don't respond to you (for obvious reasons) but...where the fuck does any of this "point to Trump"?

At least we know Trump will enforce those Russian sanctions he has been sitting on, since they overwhelmingly passed congress. Right? First thing Monday... fine... after a round of golf... then, totally will do it.

[Elegiac]

None of those indictments point to Trump. WTF are you babbling about? I usually don't respond to you (for obvious reasons) but...where the fuck does any of this "point to Trump"?

Why is Trump refusing to enforce a law passed by Congress with broad bipartisan support.

[Breccia]

And here's the latest from the White House.

"It’s time we stop the outlandish partisan attacks, wild and false allegations, and far-fetched theories, which only serve to further the agendas of bad actors, like Russia, and do nothing to protect the principles of our institutions. We must unite as Americans to protect the integrity of our democracy and our elections.”

Hold on a second.

In addition to the fact that, until recently, Trump still said Russia didn't attack the election -- even "bad actor" seems light in terms of denouncement -- he does now say we need to protect our elections. So...was what Russia did an attack, or not? If it's not an attack, why is this proof we need to protect our elections?

When the press asked Trump for comment, he left the White House and flew to Florida. Not kidding.

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What kind of music genre do you like to play?

It's mostly country. I grew up playing rock/heavy metal but I moved here about 8 years ago and kinda got into the country scene. I am a guitar player, so Brad Paisley and Keith Urban were what sparked me, they are both kicks ass players. I mostly play bass now, though, because it was a pain in the ass carting all my guitar gear downtown. Most clubs provide a bass amp, so all I have to do is put my bass case on my back, walk in, and play

As for what I like to play? Born and bred rocker - AC/DC - Frank Zappa.

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Wonder what kind of defense contracting jobs allow you the free time to shitpost on a WoW fan site subforum.

The kind that I am semi-retired from, which allows me free time to "enlighten" you folks

[Endus]

That sounds a lot like "it's not a crime to shoot at someone and miss."

Mueller was actually REALLY careful to be clear that these particular indictments don't have any connections to American conspirators.

That doesn't mean there AREN'T such indictments coming. But you can easily understand that, to speculate to get some hypotheticals to work with, if you found 25 Russian agents engaged in this, and 12 hooked in American conspirators, and 13 didn't, you'd file charges against the 13 while continuing to investigate the 12 and their conspirators. There's no real reason to hold off on the indictments for the 13, and that those particular indictments don't include Americans is not a statement that there's no evidence of collusion. Just not with these particular indictments.

Investigation is ongoing. Mueller didn't wrap everything up yet.

[mvaliz]

Mueller was actually REALLY careful to be clear that these particular indictments don't have any connections to American conspirators.

That doesn't mean there AREN'T such indictments coming. But you can easily understand that, to speculate to get some hypotheticals to work with, if you found 25 Russian agents engaged in this, and 12 hooked in American conspirators, and 13 didn't, you'd file charges against the 13 while continuing to investigate the 12 and their conspirators. There's no real reason to hold off on the indictments for the 13, and that those particular indictments don't include Americans is not a statement that there's no evidence of collusion. Just not with these particular indictments.

Investigation is ongoing. Mueller didn't wrap everything up yet.

Also consider some of these may be strategic indictments.

Mueller is historically known for laying charges down on individuals to specifically draw others out to plea bargain/make deals. I wouldn't be a bit surprised that this was done in hopes to stir up a hornets nests worth of potential witnesses, plea deals and evidence.

[alexw]

And here's the latest from the White House.

"It’s time we stop the outlandish partisan attacks, wild and false allegations, and far-fetched theories, which only serve to further the agendas of bad actors, like Russia, and do nothing to protect the principles of our institutions. We must unite as Americans to protect the integrity of our democracy and our elections.”

Hold on a second.

In addition to the fact that, until recently, Trump still said Russia didn't attack the election -- even "bad actor" seems light in terms of denouncement -- he does now say we need to protect our elections. So...was what Russia did an attack, or not? If it's not an attack, why is this proof we need to protect our elections?

When the press asked Trump for comment, he left the White House and flew to Florida. Not kidding.

They are talking about voter ID most likely. Note how they made no mention of protecting them from foreign interference.

[Endus]

Also consider some of these may be strategic indictments.

Mueller is historically known for laying charges down on individuals to specifically draw others out to plea bargain/make deals. I wouldn't be a bit surprised that this was done in hopes to stir up a hornets nests worth of potential witnesses, plea deals and evidence.

Yes, definitely. I'm not trying to read Mueller's mind, just point out there's plenty of reasons why he's being cautious about who to indict and when, and it never means he's finished laying indictments.

[Rukh]

Mercelessly lifted from reddit:

Excerpts from the indictments:

Defendants' operations included supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump ("Trump Campaign") and disparaging Hillary Clinton. Defendants made various expenditures to carry out those activities, including buying political advertisements on social media in the names of U.S. persons and entities. Defendants also staged political rallies inside the United States, and while posing as U.S. grassroots entities and U.S. persons, and without revealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation, solicited and compensated real U.S. persons to promote or disparage candidates. Some Defendants, posing as U.S. persons and without revealing their Russian association, communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and with other political activists to seek to coordinate political activities.

In order to carry out their activities to interfere in U.S. political and electoral processes without detection of their Russian affiliation, Defendants conspired to obstruct the lawful functions of the United States government through fraud and deceit, including by making expenditures in connection with the 2016 U.S. presidential election without proper regulatory disclosure; failing to register as foreign agents carrying out political activities within the United States; and obtaining visas through false and fraudulent statements.

Defendants and their co-conspirators used their fictitious online personas to interfere with the 2016 U.S. presidential election. They engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump.

On or about February 10, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators internally circulated an outline of themes for future content to be posted to ORGANIZATION-controlled social media accounts. Specialists were instructed to post content that focused on "politics in the USA" and to "use any opportunity to criticize Hillary and the rest (except Sanders and Trump--we support them)."

From at least April 2016 through November 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators, while concealing their Russian identities and ORGANIZATION affiliation through false personas, began to produce, purchase, and post advertisements on U.S. social media and other online sites expressly advocating for the election of then-candidate Trump or expressly opposing Clinton. Defendants and their co-conspirators did not report their expenditures to the Federal Election Commission, or register as foreign agents with the U.S. Department of Justice. The political advertisements included the following:

April 6, 2016 "You know, a great number of black people support us saying that #HillaryClintonlsNotMyPresident"
April 7, 2016 "I say no to Hillary Clinton / I say no to manipulation"
April 19, 2016 "JOIN our #HillaryClintonForPrison2016"
May 10, 2016 "Donald wants to defeat terrorism ... Hillary wants to sponsor it"
May 19, 2016 "Vote Republican, vote Trump, and support the Second Amendment!"
May 24, 2016 "Hillary Clinton Doesn't Deserve the Black Vote"
June 7, 2016 "Trump is our only hope for a better future!"
June 30, 2016 "#Never Hillary #Hillary F orPrison #Hillary4 Prison #HillaryForPrison2016 #Trump2016 #Trump #Trump4President"
July 20, 2016 "Ohio Wants Hillary 4 Prison"
August 4, 2016 "Hillary Clinton has already committed voter fraud during the Democrat Iowa Caucus."
August 10, 2016 "We cannot trust Hillary to take care of our veterans!"
October 14, 2016 "Among all the candidates Donald Trump is the one and only who can defend the police from terrorists."
October 19, 2016 "Hillary is a Satan, and her crimes and lies had proved just how evil she is."
To pay for the political advertisements, Defendants and their co-conspirators established various Russian bank accounts and credit cards, often registered in the names of fictitious U.S. personas created and used by the ORGANIZATION on social media. Defendants and their coconspirators also paid for other political advertisements using PayPal accounts.

Beginning in at least 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators used, without lawful authority, the social security numbers, home addresses, and birth dates ofreal U.S. persons without their knowledge or consent. Using these means of stolen identification, Defendants and their coconspirators opened accounts at a federally insured U.S. financial institution ("Bank I")

Defendants and their co-conspirators purchased credit card and bank account numbers from online sellers for the unlawful purpose of evading security measures at PayPal, which used account numbers to verify a user's identity. Many of the bank account numbers purchased by Defendants and their co-conspirators were created using the stolen identities of real U.S. persons. After purchasing the accounts, Defendants and their co-conspirators submitted these bank account numbers to PayPal.

On or about August 18, 2016, the real "Florida for Trump" Facebook account responded to the false U.S. persona "Matt Skiber" account with instructions to contact a member of the Trump Campaign ("Campaign Official l ") involved in the campaign's Florida operations and provided Campaign Official 1's email address at the campaign domain donaldtrump.com.On approximately the same day, Defendants and their co-conspirators used the email address of a false U.S. persona, joshmilton024@gmail.com, to send an email to Campaign Official 1 at that donaldtrump.com email account, which read in part:

"Hello [Campaign Official l], [w]e are organizing a state-wide event in Florida on August, 20 to support Mr. Trump. Let us introduce ourselves first. "Being Patriotic" is a grassroots conservative online movement trying to unite people offline. . . . [W]e gained a huge lot of followers and decided to somehow help Mr. Trump get elected. You know, simple yelling on the Internet is not enough. There should be real action. We organized rallies in New York before. Now we're focusing on purple states such as Florida." The email also identified thirteen "confirmed locations" in Florida for the rallies and requested the campaign provide "assistance in each location."
On or about August 24, 2016, Defendants and their co-conspirators updated an internal ORGANIZATION list of over 100 real U.S. persons contacted through ORGANIZATIONcontrolled false U.S. persona accounts and tracked to monitor recruitment efforts and requests. The list included contact information for the U.S. persons, a summary of their political views, and activities they had been asked to perform by Defendants and their co-conspirators.

Its going to be interesting to see if any of the righties around here mysteriously disappear now that the funding got choked.

[alexw]

Also consider some of these may be strategic indictments.

Mueller is historically known for laying charges down on individuals to specifically draw others out to plea bargain/make deals. I wouldn't be a bit surprised that this was done in hopes to stir up a hornets nests worth of potential witnesses, plea deals and evidence.

There is another way they are strategic. They fully attack Russia and Russian individuals. It makes it 100% clear that its 100% non-Americans behind it all and any later indictmentees will always have this narrative behind them. To what extent are they Russian puppets? It helps portray them as other and non-American so as to split them off from the majority of the population, so when the time comes it becomes harder for parts of that population to back Trump, because if they do then they will be acting as Russian puppets too.

[Dug]

Mercelessly lifted from reddit:


Its going to be interesting to see if any of the righties around here mysteriously disappear now that the funding got choked.

I agree with the sentiment but this forum is not that important lol. The Trump sack lickers around here do it of their own volition. They're fan girls and nothing more.

[Deleted]

Mueller was actually REALLY careful to be clear that these particular indictments don't have any connections to American conspirators.

That doesn't mean there AREN'T such indictments coming.

While you wallow in speculations to try to bolster your beliefs in a conspiracy theory- try speculating on this.....

On page 17, paragraph 45 of the indictment, it says, “Defendants and their co-conspirators also used false U.S. personas to communicate with unwitting members, volunteers, and supporters of the Trump Campaign….”"

Unwitting - ponder THAT word for a while!

Maybe you can get Edge- in here , he was so hyped on the "careful" wording about "this" indictment.

[Rukh]

While you wallow in speculations to try to bolster your beliefs in a conspiracy theory- try speculating on this.....

On page 17, paragraph 45 of the indictment, it says, “Defendants and their co-conspirators also used false U.S. personas to communicate with unwitting members, volunteers, and supporters of the Trump Campaign….”"

Unwitting - ponder THAT word for a while!

Maybe you can get Edge- in here , he was so hyped on the "careful" wording about "this" indictment.

Remember when you were so adamant that Russia wasn't trying to help Trump?

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While you wallow in speculations to try to bolster your beliefs in a conspiracy theory- try speculating on this.....

On page 17, paragraph 45 of the indictment, it says, “Defendants and their co-conspirators also used false U.S. personas to communicate with unwitting members, volunteers, and supporters of the Trump Campaign….”"

Unwitting - ponder THAT word for a while!

Maybe you can get Edge- in here , he was so hyped on the "careful" wording about "this" indictment.

Right. That doesn't contradict anything I said. Which was that these particular indictments were of Russians who did not have American co-conspirators. This does not mean no Russians did. That's where you drive completely off the rails.

[Dontrike]

Going with "now"? What the fuck are you talking about? That has been my stance since the day Mueller was selected as Special Counsel.

Go back in my post history and find one time where I disparaged Mueller or his investigation..

You yourself have called it fake, a waste of time, a witch hunt, it's wasting money, and all sorts of things like that, but you go ahead and keep back peddling, I hear it's good exercise.

2) Trump/Trump campaign COLLUDED with Russia to get him elected - delusional, idiotic, and INSANE narrative pushed by the Left. As Trump would say - and has said many time - a complete fucking HOAX.

You could win gold in the Olympics with this kind of expert level back peddling.

it is a witch hunt, with regards to Trump/Trump campaign "collusion" with Russia.

Are you too blind to see that the indictments Mueller released today have NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP?

Manafort/Page indictments had NOTHING to do with the Trump campaign. They had to do with money laundering on their own.

All of them hired by Trump and Trump benefited from the Russians, but you're "right" he had nothing to do with it.

Sure thing, buddy. We will see when the investigation is over.

Oh you're right we will see. When he goes down you'll still be here screeching like a castrated hyena about how great Trump is and everything is a "hoax".

"There is no serious person out there who would suggest that you could even rig America's elections, in part because they are so decentralized. There is no evidence that that has happened in the past, or that there are instances that that could happen this time,"

President Barrack Obama, October 2016

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._election.html

Hahahahaha. Look at you. You're so adorable linking such partisan sites thinking that helps your Trumpy Bear out of this.

LOL - how totally fucking pathetic. All WE have? My God, folks like you CLING to some delusional and desperate hope that Mueller will ride in on his white horse and save you from the evil Dr.Trump.

Manafort indicted, Trump is next! (Nope)
Gates indicted, Trump is next! (Nope)
Papadopoulos pleads guilty to lying to the FBI, Trump is going down! (Nope)
Flynn pleads guilty to lying to the FBI, Trump is going down! (Nope)

And so far - not ONE FUCKING THING related to the "Trump/Russia" collusion delusion.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, nothing is related to Trump about this whole thing, unless you forget him trying to stop the investigation multiple times, trying to get those in charge fired at every turn, him being buddies with Putin, him having a meeting with Russians to get dirt on Hillary, lying about the meeting, his son lying about the meeting, and doing everything he can to deflect from anything to do with the investigation at all times.

You must get a great deal on quaaludes to do them this often.

I find it adorable that you cannot discern the difference between Russians being indicted today but not one AMERICAN.

You now, you and your ilk have been saying "that time is "almost" at an end" for almost a year.

"Almost", eh? LOL!!

I think some Americans have already been indicted and a few have gotten plea deals to protect their butthole in prison, but you gotta protect your Godly Orange Tic-Tac somehow.

What do you expect? They have nothing else, aside from sarcasm.

As the saying goes, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit - so next time, consider the source of the sarcasm.

That's not how that quote goes. Your god, you can't even get a quote right. I mean Ho.Lee. Shit.

It's not "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit" it's in fact "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence" and it's from Oscar Wilde.

If our sarcasm is so high that means intelligence, but what would that make your low level of sarcasm? I guess if you couldn't even research a quote correctly that proves it.

The latest from the GOP is the Russians were working against Trump.

Because they did things twice. In November. Of 2016.

Handwaving at its finest continues.

I guess @Ransath has to prove why his side says that Trump colluded and go against his own team.

Yea - the fuck I did.

Yes, you do indeed to that, so glad you agree.

Why should it take so long? According to you folks, the evidence is so clear, and there is SO much of it. Are you saying that Mueller is that incompetent? I mean if the evidence is as plain as the nose on your face why hasn't this just been a slam dunk? Within 6 months of Watergate people were already indicted, tried, convicted, and sentenced. The IC has ALL of the conversations between Trump/Trump campaign and "Russians" (Thanks Obama!). Aside from the fact that basically everyone in Congress that is investigating this, except from Adam Schiff, has said they have found NO evidence of "Trump/Russia" collusion - you have FIVE concurrent investigations and none of them has produced a single fucking thing.

Ah yes, the classic "why is it taking so long" and "is it over yet? harhar" response. Believe it or not these things take years and aren't over like an episode of Law & Order or CSI. You may find it surprising that Mueller is a professional and follows everything by the book and is taking down a crime family, not solving solving a Scooby Doo mystery.

What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Like I said, at this point into Watergate people were already in jail - and there was only ONE investigation. There are 5 for "Trump/Russia" and so far NONE of them have produced one single thing related to "Trump/Russia" collusion.

It's called a parallel. This is on the same level as Watergate and gives you an indication how long things of this caliber might take. The amount of investigations show just how serious this really is and how much your Trumpy Bear failed as a president, a man, and a human being.

Out of shape? LOL!! You are more than welcome to come to Nashville anytime to verify your claim. Let me know, I will tell which bar I am playing that night. I think you may be just as disappointed as you were the night Trump kicked Hillary/liberals to the curb.

Well yeah they'll be disappointed because you're making it up and they missed the chance to laugh at you.

I have told Daelak the same, when he made the same claim, and he LIVES here. Too bad he hasn't takrn me up on my offer - I have a great band!

Could be because it's creepy for a man to invite random strangers on internet. Perhaps that's why.

LOL - there you go agreeing with yourself again

I can taste the irony from here.

None of those indictments point to Trump. WTF are you babbling about? I usually don't respond to you (for obvious reasons) but...where the fuck does any of this "point to Trump"?

@becca pointed to an article that shows the entire GOP says this proves Trump was working with Russia. You're entire team said it. Sorry, but even they know it's time to stop standing up for the fool.

You keep saying none of this points to Trump but you have never showed any actual evidence towards this. You say you're a "real American" but you stand up for someone that doesn't deserve it. Trump has consistently lied at every turn about every single thing about this investigation, has tried to stop it multiple times, and deflects constantly. Each and every single one of his cronies that have been caught have brought them closer to Trump with new information about him and the dealings he has while slobbing on Putin's knob.

It's mostly country.

Why am I not surprised? Country is perfect for you. Both you and that genre repeat the same five topics repeatedly with only slight variation each time. "I love country, beers, women, trucks, and guns" then you mix it up in a different order, try and sound like rock and roll to make it tolerable, and call it "new".