Active shooter situation at Florida high school, at least 20 injured so far

[truckboattruck]

Well what clever insults do you have for yourself?

well since cuck so clearly hits you close to home, I dont really need any more do I

[Draco-Onis]

And that's why it is a political issue. If one side is obviously going to block anything that is going to bring some sort of control and the other is pushing for control it becomes a political issue by default. CDC not getting funds to research what it needs to do because of one side makes it a political issue.

I was referring to the research itself not the overall conversation about guns obviously republicans will jump to kill anything that has to do with guns.

[GennGreymane]

What's so funny about that? If you don't have your gun aimed at them before they start shooting, to shoot them before they shoot, you're going to get shot. I doubt you're walking around aiming your gun at everyone. Most likely scenario is that you'll be unprepared for it and get shot.

As my point in this thread and a few others has been

people just watch too much TV

the guys doing the massacures
They dont monologue
They dont have goons
Are actually capable of killing someone in a shot or 2 and are not relegated to just missing or just missing that one vital spot.
They dont leave the hero tied up with some convenient item placed there so the hero can escape

They shoot, they kill until they are shot and killed (usually by police even in areas with conceal carry) or captured (also by police)

And the "good guys with a gun"
Dont have bullet time
Can miss
Dont have a villain who monologues giving them enough time to shoot
can die
dont have perfect aim

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well since cuck so clearly hits you close to home, I dont really need any more do I

Cuck hits you close to home?

[truckboattruck]

As my point in this thread and a few others has been

people just watch too much TV

the guys doing the massacures
They dont monologue
They dont have goons
Are actually capable of killing someone in a shot or 2 and are not relegated to just missing or just missing that one vital spot.
They dont leave the hero tied up with some convenient item placed there so the hero can escape

They shoot, they kill until they are shot and killed (usually by police even in areas with conceal carry) or captured (also by police)

And the "good guys with a gun"
Dont have bullet time
Can miss
Dont have a villain who monologues giving them enough time to shoot
can die
dont have perfect aim

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Cuck hits you close to home?

seems like you know more about tv than anyone else here, maybe thats your problem

[Drusin]

So what do bullets do after they come out of a gun aside from destroy? that is a fact not sure what other function you think guns have.

Deter

/10bullets

[GennGreymane]

seems like you know more about tv than anyone else here, maybe thats your problem

So we just gonna avoid your whole admission there?

[MikeBogina]

Thanks for proving my point I guess? just to clarify I don't want to take guns away I want reasonable gun legislation and blocking holes in our current system.

if you're point was that the "harm" you're intending to describe is all bad, I don't think I helped because not all harm is bad. causing harm on bad people is good and most americans would agree.

I don't think I'll ever own a gun, the thought of holding one and firing isn't something I personally want to experience or even enjoy. And though I personally would prefer no one in my country owns one besides hunting, I understand and weigh the pros against the cons. For every time there is someone who is killed in one of these shootings, there is more who are killed in home invasions. There are more who are killed invading homes and there are more people saved in home invasions thanks to guns.

Because of that, I refuse to get emotional over a handful of deaths in a single moment because in the bigger picture, there are far...far more home invasions that guns have saved people and taken the lives of bad people. Then there's the home invasions where guns could have saved lives if they were owned.

[PhaelixWW]

So what do bullets do after they come out of a gun aside from destroy? that is a fact not sure what other function you think guns have.

And what do arrows do after they leave the bow? What do darts do when they leave your hand? "Target shooting" is not synonymous with "destroying shit".

Or at least they're not synonymous to people who don't have an inability to think critically and rationally about the subject.

[Draco-Onis]

if you're point was that the "harm" you're intending to describe is all bad, I don't think I helped because not all harm is bad. causing harm on bad people is good and most americans would agree.

I don't think I'll ever own a gun, the thought of holding one and firing isn't something I personally want to experience or even enjoy. And though I personally would prefer no one in my country owns one besides hunting, I understand and weigh the pros against the cons. For every time there is someone who is killed in one of these shootings, there is more who are killed in home invasions. There are more who are killed invading homes and there are more people saved in home invasions thanks to guns.

Because of that, I refuse to get emotional over a handful of deaths in a single moment because in the bigger picture, there are far...far more home invasions that guns have saved people and taken the lives of bad people. Then there's the home invasions where guns could have saved lives if they were owned.

Not sure if the facts support your assumption but my point was rather simple a gun has one function unlike knives and cars not sure why that is even up for debate.

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And what do arrows do after they leave the bow? What do darts do when they leave your hand? "Target shooting" is not synonymous with "destroying shit".

Or at least they're not synonymous to people who don't have an inability to think critically and rationally about the subject.

Yes bows and arrows were not made for home cooking, you shoot at things it destroys it. Your gun worship is showing guns have no other use in society they aren't vehicles, knives or any number of things that can kill people but have other uses.

[Player Twelve]

seems like you know more about tv than anyone else here, maybe thats your problem

Reality is that people are never prepared for someone coming and shooting people indiscriminately, there's no way to be prepared for that. Having a gun isn't going to help you much unless you already have it pulled out and aimed at them to shoot before they start shooting, which basically requires you to possess precognition(Which isn't a thing). There will be several people shot before people start realizing what's happening, they don't announce it before they start shooting, they just start shooting.

You're not going to be the hero that shot a shooter and prevented deaths, you're going to be another victim.

[Bullettime]

Reality is that people are never prepared for someone coming and shooting people indiscriminately, there's no way to be prepared for that. Having a gun isn't going to help you much unless you already have it pulled out and aimed at them to shoot before they start shooting, which basically requires you to possess precognition(Which isn't a thing). There will be several people shot before people start realizing what's happening, they don't announce it before they start shooting, they just start shooting.

You're not going to be the hero that shot a shooter and prevented deaths, you're going to be another victim.

It's also been tested as well. There was some experiment in Texas I'll try to find the link for but basically every time, the person carrying ended up dead with everyone else. Only a small handful of the test simulations they did had the person "alive" at the end.

The order was like person dead w/ gunman alive >>>>>>> both dead >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person alive w/ gunman dead. Just can't recall the exact percentages.

[minteK917]

The best part is people claiming guns arent made to kill only, but to deter. Good logic for a three years old. I mean nuclear weapon are clearly made to not destroy then!... deter is a side effect of something, not what its made for. The only reason gun could deter is because ITS MADE TO KILL. Paper sheet doesent deter anything, because its not made to kill.

Gun defense has literally no personal use. If someone wanted you dead, they will shoot you before you even know someone wants to kill you. The second amendement is about militia against the federal government either way, idiots just keeps warping it over time. Point is, its useless now. Your shitty guns aint stopping the federal government if it wanted it would flatten your home with a tank or bomb and theres nothing your shitty guns can do about it. This is not 1787 anymore.

But hey what do i care, you can keep your shitty laws and your school shooting every week. My loved ones arent part of that degenerate society and are unlikely to ever be shot by anyone.

[PhaelixWW]

Not sure if the facts support your assumption

See, and this is the problem with biased research. That article quotes data from the VPC, which is rabidly anti-gun. Directly from the VPC website: "Josh Sugarmann, Executive Director. Josh Sugarmann, a native of Newtown, Connecticut, has been executive director of the Violence Policy Center since he founded it in 1988. Prior to establishing the VPC, he served as a press officer in the national office of Amnesty International USA and as the communications director for the National Coalition to Ban Handguns. He is also the author of two books, NRA: Money, Firepower & Fear and Every Handgun is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns."

The validity of the interpretations the VPC places on its cherry-picked data has been questioned ad nauseam.

but my point was rather simple a gun has one function unlike knives and cars not sure why that is even up for debate.

It's up for debate because your "statement of fact" is wrong. Ignoring the evidence to the contrary doesn't really make your position look sound.

Yes bows and arrows were not made for home cooking, you shoot at things it destroys it. Your gun worship is showing guns have no other use in society they aren't vehicles, knives or any number of things that can kill people but have other uses.

And more of the same blindness. According to you, archery is wanton destruction and self-defense isn't of use to society.

[Draco-Onis]

It's up for debate because your "statement of fact" is wrong. Ignoring the evidence to the contrary doesn't really make your position look sound.

Nuclear bombs have other uses because nuclear bomb testing explosions are fun to watch that is pretty much the sum of your argument.

[kail]

Deter

/10bullets

It's a potential deterrent because of it's main purpose. The firearm wasn't invented because someone wanted to deter people. Advancements to firearms follow the same idea, make it easier to penetrate w/e is in front of you.

[PhaelixWW]

Nuclear bombs have other uses because nuclear bomb testing explosions are fun to watch that is pretty much the sum of your argument.

Firearms have other uses because there are other uses to which they are put.
Nuclear bombs have no other uses because there are no other uses to which they are put.

And false equivalencies are false.

[Draco-Onis]

Firearms have other uses because there are other uses to which they are put.
Nuclear bombs have no other uses because there are no other uses to which they are put.

And false equivalencies are false.

I guess we have to agree to disagree let me know how that AR-15 cooking class goes for you.

[PhaelixWW]

It's a potential deterrent because of it's main purpose.

It's a potential deterrent because of one of its several purposes. Which is also not its most common purpose.

[Draco-Onis]

It's a potential deterrent because of it's main purpose. The firearm wasn't invented because someone wanted to deter people. Advancements to firearms follow the same idea, make it easier to penetrate w/e is in front of you.

Even simpler it deters people because of their fear you will harm or kill them which is the purpose of a gun.

[Torgent]

And more of the same blindness. According to you, archery is wanton destruction and self-defense isn't of use to society.

Self-defense is still harm. Something created for self-defense is made to harm. I don't understand why that's a complicated concept to you.