Active shooter situation at Florida high school, at least 20 injured so far

[Travis B]

In order to win the gun control debate people gun control advocates are going to have start thinking about this in psychosexual terms. How do you carry out a symbolic act of castration on millions of uneducated angry white men?

Maybe give them a lifetime supply of Viagra and Extenze.

[Travis B]

So the guy was talking about killing gays, mexicans, and blacks in a chat group, and had been part of a clearly radicalized far right group.

So... when is this kid going to be called a terrorist by the right?

*Chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp*

In order to be called a terrorist by the right, an individual must meet one of the following three conditions:

1. They are Muslim
2. They look like they might be Muslim
3. They go around knocking over trash cans

#1 and #2 are out of the question, so I guess #3 is our only hope.

[Drusin]

Maybe give them a lifetime supply of Viagra and Extenze.

How will I protect my Viagra stockpile in a home invasion?

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No wondering you got a disfunctioning congress.US politicians are bought and sold like bitches thanks to the NRA.

What they should do is lock every politician who gets suspecious amount of money and ban them from serving publicly.

I'm not rich but I would imagine there are ways around actual dollar donations to still have the same effect.

[morbidari]

Sorry, but could you point out the countries where guns are illegal that have higher gun crime than America?

America has been on a steady decrease on the crime rate for many years now. All of central America has a higher murder rate per capita than anything America could even dream of. No idea if guns are controlled there, but they aren’t as easy as America, where you are right bound to be able to.

Here in Canada we still have gun violence. It is regulated to the point that having a licence for a fire arm allows the police to search your residence without probably cause or a warrent. If we look at per capita it will likely be lower, but there can be all sorts of causes to that. In the UK guns are also hard to get, so acid attacks have become a massive problem.

Humans are the issue at hand. If we can reign them in, we are in the clear.

[Ghostpanther]

The supreme court makes mistakes a lot of them in fact (citizens united aka corporations are people) so I don't think their opinion overrules the fact that a lot of countries exist without the second amendment and they are doing fine. I am just stating if you were given a choice of only 10 basic rights owning a gun would not be on that list if you thought it through.

This is true. They have made decisions I do not agree with also. But it is still the law of the land and there is a process for changing it if we want to try.

[Orby]

Loving all these idiots in this thread thinking arming everyone with a gun will solve the problem. Thats not solving the problem thats called the Wild West, something some of you "Shooting tooting" Americans haven't left behind.

[Kiljaedon]

I think you are wasting your time looking at the intellectual side of the argument. That's a fight between a midget and an elephant, it is obvious no rational mindset could tolerate the current insane gun laws.

In order to win the gun control debate people gun control advocates are going to have start thinking about this in psychosexual terms. How do you carry out a symbolic act of castration on millions of uneducated angry white men? Too much time is being devoted to reasoning where there is no reason.

But yet anytime comes up with an actual intellectual argument against what you are saying then all you end up doing is invalidating the argument with emotional reasoning over fact-based points.

[Ghostpanther]

So the guy was talking about killing gays, mexicans, and blacks in a chat group, and had been part of a clearly radicalized far right group.

So... when is this kid going to be called a terrorist by the right?

*Chirp chirp chirp chirp chirp*

I think he is a domestic terrorist. So you can no longer say he is not being called one by the right.

[Kiljaedon]

Loving all these idiots int his thread thinking arming everyone with a gun will solve the problem. Thats not solving the problem thats called the Wild West, something some of you Americans haven't left behind. XD

Once more a misinformed statement from an ignorant person. The wild west was not as wild as you would have it believe. In fact it was quite tame and law abiding. It had structure and order with very little gung ho style shooting rampages happening in the streets with out laws and marshals. Only 1-2 shoot outs ever occured and recorded of these incidents happening. Un informed and ignorant people will be the true death of the US and removal of all guns is a start and all these chaotic activists clench to every incident and do all they can to push and bully the pulpet hoping they finally get there way.

[Ghostpanther]

There was an armed guard on the school campus at the time, he never encountered the shooter. Trump has also severely cut funding that gave schools money for security.

Any questions?

We're going to start sending young, irrational children to school with weapons? Yeah, most of them won't go on shooting sprees, but a part of me wants to see conservatives arm every kid in school just to laugh at them when it blows up in their faces because kids will inevitably get into fights and do stupid shit. Most of the time they only have their fists. Give them a gun and see how well it turns out. Have them do this little social experiment before I have kids and send them to school please though.

Hard to encounter the shooter when he was too far away.

Also, found this interesting. https://crimeresearch.org/2014/09/mo...ass-shootings/

[Cthulhu 2020]

I think he is a domestic terrorist. So you can no longer say he is not being called one by the right.

*Slow clap*

Hey man, I'm glad you at least acknowledge it, just waiting for the right wing as a whole. This thing of people clearly radicalized by the far right shooting people up (or running over them with cars) is becoming a trend, has been a trend, and yet these people who actually kill others aren't being universally denounced as terrorists by the right.

Meanwhile Antifa are tipping over trashcans and shouting angrily at people and being called "violent terrorists".

[Ghostpanther]

*Slow clap*

Hey man, I'm glad you at least acknowledge it, just waiting for the right wing as a whole. This thing of people clearly radicalized by the far right shooting people up (or running over them with cars) is becoming a trend, has been a trend, and yet these people who actually kill others aren't being universally denounced as terrorists by the right.

Meanwhile Antifa are tipping over trashcans and shouting angrily at people and being called "violent terrorists".

This shooter absolutely should be labeled a domestic terrorist or any group which advocates violence as being justified in what he did.

[Orby]

Once more a misinformed statement from an ignorant person. The wild west was not as wild as you would have it believe. In fact it was quite tame and law abiding. It had structure and order with very little gung ho style shooting rampages happening in the streets with out laws and marshals. Only 1-2 shoot outs ever occured and recorded of these incidents happening. Un informed and ignorant people will be the true death of the US and removal of all guns is a start and all these chaotic activists clench to every incident and do all they can to push and bully the pulpet hoping they finally get there way.

Yes thank you I am aware of the Wild West misconception, I was merely using the Wild West to point out that it is worse now than the Wild West... The only similarities being that even back then everyone had a gun. But thats okay you continue to tell us why thinking having guns is a good thing....

[Cthulhu 2020]

Hard to encounter the shooter when he was too far away.

Also, found this interesting. https://crimeresearch.org/2014/09/mo...ass-shootings/

Meh, then do away with gun free zones. Let's just not act all shocked when we see less mass shootings but more instances of kids getting into fights and shooting each other.

I'm not just someone who rides on the hysteria of the mass shootings. I know that single killings take much more lives in the US. Yeah, mass shootings occur in gun free school zones because the killer wants to mow people down unopposed. But I'm not going to let anyone pretend that arming everyone is a good idea either. You're just trading mass shootings for more individual shootings.

[Kiljaedon]

*Slow clap*

Hey man, I'm glad you at least acknowledge it, just waiting for the right wing as a whole. This thing of people clearly radicalized by the far right shooting people up (or running over them with cars) is becoming a trend, has been a trend, and yet these people who actually kill others aren't being universally denounced as terrorists by the right.

Meanwhile Antifa are tipping over trashcans and shouting angrily at people and being called "violent terrorists".

Eh? Last I looked this shooter was not part of the rallies involving Antifa and the skinheads.

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Hard to encounter the shooter when he was too far away.

Also, found this interesting. https://crimeresearch.org/2014/09/mo...ass-shootings/

Its even harder to encounter a shooter when they do not have readily access to guns.

[Slant]

Yes Americans watch this...a conversation has devolved into slinging insults and thus is no longer being taken serious and jokes will be rendered forthwith at all future comments.

That hasn't just happened now, you're not that special. :P

[Ghostpanther]

Yes thank you I am aware of the Wild West misconception, I was merely using the Wild West to point out that it is worse now than the Wild West... The only simularities being that even back then everyone had a gun. But thats okay you continue to tell us why thinking having guns is a good thing....

The concept of the Wild West is misleading. It was less violent than in some major cities now, such as Baltimore and New Orleans. The most violent times in the US was actually from 1930 - 1980.

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Meh, then do away with gun free zones. Let's just not act all shocked when we see less mass shootings but more instances of kids getting into fights and shooting each other.

I'm not just someone who rides on the hysteria of the mass shootings. I know that single killings take much more lives in the US. Yeah, mass shootings occur in gun free school zones because the killer wants to mow people down unopposed. But I'm not going to let anyone pretend that arming everyone is a good idea either. You're just trading mass shootings for more individual shootings.

I would have no issues with doing that. With the exception of a few places such as court rooms, etc. It is going to always be very important to enforce the laws we have against gun violations however. Just passing a law with no teeth in it will be a waste of time.

[Orby]

Not sure this has been posted but still... appropriate.

[Kiljaedon]

Meh, then do away with gun free zones. Let's just not act all shocked when we see less mass shootings but more instances of kids getting into fights and shooting each other.

I'm not just someone who rides on the hysteria of the mass shootings. I know that single killings take much more lives in the US. Yeah, mass shootings occur in gun free school zones because the killer wants to mow people down unopposed. But I'm not going to let anyone pretend that arming everyone is a good idea either. You're just trading mass shootings for more individual shootings.

Once more you are sadly mis informed. Around 90 mass shootings have happened in the US over the last 120 years and yes that does place the US in the spot light of being the only first world nation that has had such a huge amount of mass shootings that are large enough to leave an impression on people who watch and read about the incidents the murder rate from guns has dropped significantly since the high in the early 80's.

Odd fact compounded with 35% more people own guns now through registration then they did back then. It could be that more people had unregistered guns but the country has almost tripled in production of fire arms since the early 90's so most likely more people being armed does not contribute to higher homicide and mass killings.

The real reason people want to prevent the ban of weaponry even more then it already is because it pulls a little more of our freedoms away one by one. Most anarchist and Socialist driven people will cling to every shooting or every little stage act they can to try to persuade people through emotion over logic to help them tear down America one by one. The break down of the family and the breakdown of US society can be attributed to the history of several of these recent shooters with similar backgrounds and that should be looked at first before throwing emotional tantrums into politics and thinking another ban is the answer.

If anything allowing more people to have guns on the premise would have been able to stop that crazed maniac since he had 5 MINUTES to shoot off 300+ rounds before he ran away to hide with the crowds and managed to escape for over an hour.