Active shooter situation at Florida high school, at least 20 injured so far

[Deleted]

Once more you are sadly mis informed. Around 90 mass shootings have happened in the US over the last 120 years and yes that does place the US in the spot light of being the only first world nation that has had such a huge amount of mass shootings that are large enough to leave an impression on people who watch and read about the incidents the murder rate from guns has dropped significantly since the high in the early 80's.

Odd fact compounded with 35% more people own guns now through registration then they did back then. It could be that more people had unregistered guns but the country has almost tripled in production of fire arms since the early 90's so most likely more people being armed does not contribute to higher homicide and mass killings.

The real reason people want to prevent the ban of weaponry even more then it already is because it pulls a little more of our freedoms away one by one. Most anarchist and Socialist driven people will cling to every shooting or every little stage act they can to try to persuade people through emotion over logic to help them tear down America one by one. The break down of the family and the breakdown of US society can be attributed to the history of several of these recent shooters with similar backgrounds and that should be looked at first before throwing emotional tantrums into politics and thinking another ban is the answer.

Sooo, you are saying that 17 dead children isn't something to be bothered about? And just because crime has gone down doesn't mean that it is anywhere near the rates of other first world countries.

[Kiljaedon]

Yes thank you I am aware of the Wild West misconception, I was merely using the Wild West to point out that it is worse now than the Wild West... The only similarities being that even back then everyone had a gun. But thats okay you continue to tell us why thinking having guns is a good thing....

Actually check my reply about 1 post up and that nicely explains why having guns is a good thing.

[Orby]

Actually check my reply about 1 post up and that nicely explains why having guns is a good thing.

Already lost relevancy and interest. Because the only answer to 'why it's good to be giving everyone guns' should be "it isnt"

[Kiljaedon]

Sooo, you are saying that 17 dead children isn't something to be bothered about? And just because crime has gone down doesn't mean that it is anywhere near the rates of other first world countries.

Of course it is something to be disgusted about. I am disgusted about people attaching on to this to try to push their political agenda within 10 minutes of the after math over letting people actually have time to grief and let the dust settle before chants of taking away our rights commences in unison by the same groups who attach themsleves over every trajedy and try to milk it for their cause.

Why not give the officials time to actually do their job and research before you come up with a knee jerk reaction on taking away our rights is the answer to everything. More supression of the population is the only way we will stop these shootings. Blah blah.

[Deleted]

Actually check my reply about 1 post up and that nicely explains why having guns is a good thing.

No you did not, you made a rather silly rambling on how guns are gud because there are more now then ever and crime has come down. Blatantly ignoring that it is still a far cry from the rest of the civilized world.

The right to bear arms is indefensible, there is absolutely no reason at all to have a gun in a modern society.

[Kiljaedon]

Already lost relevancy and interest. Because the only answer should be "it isnt"

Because if the teachers or even staff administrators had guns they could have possibly filled the bastard full of holes 30 seconds into his rampage?

[Orby]

Because if the teachers or even staff administrators had guns they could have possibly filled the bastard full of holes 30 seconds into his rampage?

Or maybe if you didn't have your stupid gun laws that kid wouldn't have had a gun and he would have been caught or taken before even doing anything.

[Kiljaedon]

No you did not, you made a rather silly rambling on how guns are gud because there are more now then ever and crime has come down. Blatantly ignoring that it is still a far cry from the rest of the civilized world.

The right to bear arms is indefensible, there is absolutely no reason at all to have a gun in a modern society.

No it is quite easy to defend the real reason. Because we have an entire world jealous of the US and our freedom and power and want us to be utterly destroyed. Peace through strength worked and is the only thing that will continue to work. It is the only thing that keeps modern society civil. Destroy the core of what the US is and with the roots ripped out the rest of the work of dismantling the greatest nation can begin.

[Travis B]

Of course it is something to be disgusted about. I am disgusted about people attaching on to this to try to push their political agenda within 10 minutes of the after math over letting people actually have time to grief and let the dust settle before chants of taking away our rights commences in unison by the same groups who attach themsleves over every trajedy and try to milk it for their cause.

Are you also disgusted by how Trump pushes his political agenda right after a Muslim or an illegal immigrant does something messed up?

Why not give the officials time to actually do their job and research before you come up with a knee jerk reaction on taking away our rights is the answer to everything. More supression of the population is the only way we will stop these shootings. Blah blah.

Lol, you act as if this was the first mass shooting ever. This shit has been going on for DECADES. How much more fucking time do these officials need to research and come up with a solution?

[Themius]

Because if the teachers or even staff administrators had guns they could have possibly filled the bastard full of holes 30 seconds into his rampage?

yes in comics and fantasy.

[Kiljaedon]

Or maybe if you didn't have your stupid gun laws that kid wouldn't have had a gun and he would have been caught or taken before even doing anything.

Maybe or maybe not. I am only human and cannot say if it would have done a thing. I only know is what we have now and giving an inch to people who want to take the rights away from a free nation is something I will push back against until the day I die. Sadly if this was the real issue that banning this type of gun would make a difference then maybe I would agree but it does not because the USA is the most unique country in the world and is the only example of a once true free nation that has taken its freedom for granted and now its citizens are losing it's freedoms one by one. Whether by a break down of people rallying behind awful terrorist events or mass shootings as justification it is sickening to push political and chaotic agenda to these tragedies.

[Deleted]

Of course it is something to be disgusted about. I am disgusted about people attaching on to this to try to push their political agenda within 10 minutes of the after math over letting people actually have time to grief and let the dust settle before chants of taking away our rights commences in unison by the same groups who attach themsleves over every trajedy and try to milk it for their cause.

Why not give the officials time to actually do their job and research before you come up with a knee jerk reaction on taking away our rights is the answer to everything. More supression of the population is the only way we will stop these shootings. Blah blah.

Yea, oh those people are sooo disgusting . How long should they wait? Can't be much longer then a week because then the next one will have happened. Stop your wining and start to actually discuss the problem at hand, having a nation full of armed people.

If you want to have this researched then i suggest you have a look at the rest of the world, as your own government has its hands tied behinds its back because they aren't allowed to do research into it.

Your officials have had a few centuries and they only seem to fuck it up more and more, getting rid of most guns isn't a "knee jerk reaction" it is the basic reaction the rest of the world has implemented with success. Again, a right to bear arms is indefensible in a modern society. I have never heard anyone give even one good reason as to why all people should be able to have a gun.

[Kiljaedon]

Are you also disgusted by how Trump pushes his political agenda right after a Muslim or an illegal immigrant does something messed up?



Lol, you act as if this was the first mass shooting ever. This shit has been going on for DECADES. How much more fucking time do these officials need to research and come up with a solution?

around 90 times to be exact. And if you think emotional cries for pushing laws that only punish those who will follow the laws work then nothing I can say will affect your opinion.

[Deleted]

No it is quite easy to defend the real reason. Because we have an entire world jealous of the US and our freedom and power and want us to be utterly destroyed. Peace through strength worked and is the only thing that will continue to work. It is the only thing that keeps modern society civil. Destroy the core of what the US is and with the roots ripped out the rest of the work of dismantling the greatest nation can begin.

HAHAHAHAHA oh lol, yea that must be it, we are jealous of the US and their murder rate, oh we are soooo jelly that we do not have "the patriot act" and we are oh so jelly that we actually feel safe in our homes.

[mbg]

Only a dumbass person doesn't realize that nothing can be done about guns in the US. There is something called the 2nd amendment, and unless a constitutional convention is held and 34 states vote to repeal it(good luck with that one), nothing will ever happen. Besides, if you read some of the federalist papers to find out the original intent of the founders, this amendment was passed by them to protect the people from a tyrannical government, i.e. overthrow the government if the government ever gets out of control. Think about that for a moment. The Supreme Court has ruled that the right is not absolute, and some things can be restricted (automatic weapons for example), but cannot be restricted by the feds. States can also regulate, but they can't ban either.

That being said, We need to figure out a way to keep them away from the mentally ill. The thing is that the government cannot be trusted to do that, because some leftist or other anti-gun zealot will come around and declare that everyone is mentally ill.

[ManiaCCC]

Maybe or maybe not. I am only human and cannot say if it would have done a thing. I only know is what we have now and giving an inch to people who want to take the rights away from a free nation is something I will push back against until the day I die. Sadly if this was the real issue that banning this type of gun would make a difference then maybe I would agree but it does not because the USA is the most unique country in the world and is the only example of a once true free nation that has taken its freedom for granted and now its citizens are losing it's freedoms one by one. Whether by a break down of people rallying behind awful terrorist events or mass shootings as justification it is sickening to push political and chaotic agenda to these tragedies.

Do you really believe this? Also you are into illuminati thing?

[Themius]

Only a dumbass person doesn't realize that nothing can be done about guns in the US. There is something called the 2nd amendment, and unless a constitutional convention is held and 34 states vote to repeal it(good luck with that one), nothing will ever happen. Besides, if you read some of the federalist papers to find out the original intent of the founders, this amendment was passed by them to protect the people from a tyrannical government, i.e. overthrow the government if the government ever gets out of control. Think about that for a moment. The Supreme Court has ruled that the right is not absolute, and some things can be restricted (automatic weapons for example), but cannot be restricted by the feds. States can also regulate, but they can't ban either.

That being said, We need to figure out a way to keep them away from the mentally ill. The thing is that the government cannot be trusted to do that, because some leftist or other anti-gun zealot will come around and declare that everyone is mentally ill.

what the fuck is wrong with the right?

"Oh we can't have that law because the left will take it too far!!!!" even though all actual laws that have been passed show the opposite happening.

"the left will label everyone as mentally ill!! the magical left!!!!!" like it's just stupid fear mongering that gets the right not voting for the very fucking things they want, and it is retarded.

[Slant]

Only a dumbass person doesn't realize that nothing can be done about guns in the US. There is something called the 2nd amendment, and unless a constitutional convention is held and 34 states vote to repeal it(good luck with that one), nothing will ever happen. Besides, if you read some of the federalist papers to find out the original intent of the founders, this amendment was passed by them to protect the people from a tyrannical government, i.e. overthrow the government if the government ever gets out of control. Think about that for a moment. The Supreme Court has ruled that the right is not absolute, and some things can be restricted (automatic weapons for example), but cannot be restricted by the feds. States can also regulate, but they can't ban either.

That being said, We need to figure out a way to keep them away from the mentally ill. The thing is that the government cannot be trusted to do that, because some leftist or other anti-gun zealot will come around and declare that everyone is mentally ill.

So basically, fuckit, keep going as before, because that's working out so great over the years.

This is why I say you guys want these massacres. If you didn't, you'd change shit. But you're not. Now you're just going on about "mentally ill", because that is so fucking vague that it doesn't hurt anyone saying it. It's a good strawman sentence, that one is.

Newsflash: You'll never contro the mentally ill. Why? Because you don't see they're mentally ill until they're cracking most of the times. Good luck trying to discuss how to use crystal balls, because that's just about as useful as what you're doing now.

[Travis B]

around 90 times to be exact. And if you think emotional cries for pushing laws that only punish those who will follow the laws work then nothing I can say will affect your opinion.

You must have meant to reply to someone else, because what you said makes no sense with regard to my post (not that what you said makes much sense in the first place). Around 90 times what?

Also, I like how you completely ignored my question about whether you're also disgusted by Trump pushing his political agenda right after tragedies happen.

[mbg]

*Slow clap*

Hey man, I'm glad you at least acknowledge it, just waiting for the right wing as a whole. This thing of people clearly radicalized by the far right shooting people up (or running over them with cars) is becoming a trend, has been a trend, and yet these people who actually kill others aren't being universally denounced as terrorists by the right.

Meanwhile Antifa are tipping over trashcans and shouting angrily at people and being called "violent terrorists".

You're wrong about that. More than half of the shootings were conducted by leftists not right wingers. Both sides of the political spectrum are represented, so the point is mute. This is not a left vs right issue. What do most, if not all, of the shooters have in common? They were a few cans short of a six-pack, i.e. mentally not ok. A few just lost it over something, but for the most part, it is sick people. Once we can come to terms about that instead of a statist left or a statist right is at fault, then maybe we can come up with a way to keep the guns away from whackadoos.