For how long are we going to tolerate anti-immigrant, neo-nazi threads in off topic?

[Pull My Finger]

I noticed that nazis and racists kind of have a free ride in the off-topic section of the forum. I guess probably someone from the MMO-C staff is a white supremacist or some butthurt Swede or something like that. Tbh, the whole off topic section is a vile, degenerate cesspool. I stopped looking in there a long time ago. I think this should be a gaming-related forum only.

[Deleted]

I mean. considering it seems that "times are changeing" and it is becoming more and more popular viewpoint. Look at America, ther president and hell the neo natzi rally that was.
my own contry is not better, Our Anti-immigrant party is our 2nd largest. it used to be one of the smallest, but in the last 8 years they have grown dramatically.
As much as i hate all this rasismen building up, the scary fact is, it seem to grow

[Deleted]

Feel free to be ... neo-nazi.
I don't have a problem with that.

Wow... so you are actually morally bankrupt.

[Deleted]

Why the term "neo" though? What does that even mean? Who even came up with that name? Do we have to put a label on everything?

We use new terms for new things.

[Strawberry]

Wow... so you are actually morally bankrupt.

Perhaps, or perhaps I tolerate everyone's choice?

People have forgotten what being nazi stands for. Neo-nazis are a joke. A bunch of misunderstood kids/uneducated adults who have forgotten (or never knew?) the history and think being nazi is cool.
This is why I call them neo-nazis and not nazis. I do not see them as a threat to society. I distance myself from themselves (and also antifa as they are almost as bad, and my sister is antifa!).
Therefore I tolerate them.

But what I do not tolerate is hate mongering.

[h4rr0d]

Feel free to be anti-immigrant or neo-nazi.
I don't have a problem with that.

What I have a problem with is anti-immigrant and neo nazi propaganda threads.
And I'm pretty sure every normal person shares the same opinion.

It's a perfect reason to make a topic forbidden, as things like nationalism and conspiracy topics are forbidden, neo-nazism and anti-immigrant threads are way worse.
Now, there's a difference between anti-immigrant and immigration discussions. If the second type derails into hate, lock it. If the first shows up, lock it immediatelly and infract the person who created the thread.

I don't see why spreading hate should be allowed on a heavily moderated forum like this one.

Why is it so bad being anti immigration? Pretty much everyone who claims to be "anti-immigrant" right now is opposed to the importing of 20-something-year-old do-nothing males that begun en masse about 3 years ago in western europe. Not the kind of thing that's happening in, say the US.

Pretty please, tell me one single thing that could be called positive by the average, middle class local population that can be directly attributed to this immigration crisis. (since there's so many people who are hellbent on repeating the mantra immigration is good, immigrants are good...)

[Livnthedream]

What I have a problem with is anti-immigrant and neo nazi propaganda threads.

You keep saying this, but I don't know what it is you mean by it. As others have subtly pointed to. Link some threads of what you find ok, and what you find objectionable. Especially since that will actually spark discussion.

[Deleted]

I mean. considering it seems that "times are changeing" and it is becoming more and more popular viewpoint. Look at America, ther president and hell the neo natzi rally that was.
my own contry is not better, Our Anti-immigrant party is our 2nd largest. it used to be one of the smallest, but in the last 8 years they have grown dramatically.
As much as i hate all this rasismen building up, the scary fact is, it seem to grow

Opressive and fashistic extreme left strategies given field in the mainstream prompted an extreme right reaction. Who would have thaught that language policing and controll, shaming worldviews of restrain and dialogue and spitting on free speach will embolden totalitarian right. WHO WOULD HAVE THAUGHT THAT TOTALITARIAN LEFT GETTING A PASS WILL MEAN THAT TOTALITARIAN RIGHT WILL BE ALLOWED TO PLAY BY THESAME RULES!?

Everyone who isnt a complete moronic child. Still, neonazis are not a real threat and if the totalitarian left sjw'w would kindly shut the hell up im pretty sure the rise of hte oposte extreme would stop as they are the ones fueling it.

[urasim]

Why the term "neo" though? What does that even mean? Who even came up with that name? Do we have to put a label on everything?

That's how we communicate effectively. Yes, we need labels for everything.

[XDurionX]

It's always the same people spamming the same threads until they get banned again, sometimes they use alt accounts, but you learn very quickly who they are and who to ignore. And i'm really not quite sure whether they're russian trolls or gullible idiots played by rightwing media.

[Deleted]

Pretty please, tell me one single thing that could be called positive by the average, middle class local population that can be directly attributed to this immigration crisis. (since there's so many people who are hellbent on repeating the mantra immigration is good, immigrants are good...)

We have too much jobs in germany, even if this sounds like a joke and there are many problems connected with that (for example the problem with half-year oder one-year job offers who are the perfect opposite of a safe work opportunity), but nonetheless we have a constant lack of people in the low and high sector.
So...refugees from syria and the middle east (btw I'm not argueing in favor of immigrants from North Africa, that's another big can that we don't have to open here) already learned our language and are even in place of teachers, doctors and immigrant helpers themselves.
There is a reason that at the moment, only, and I know this is a bit debateable, only around 13-15% of germans who would elect the only party that is anti-refugees in the parliament.
And another thing: I don't want to form this thread into another debate, because that's not the theme, so let's just not do that and go back to topic, because you now have your "one single thing".

So, this topic is a point of debate and I know where the OP is coming from BUT this is a point of debate. If threads really derail (and they do), they do because of, yes, neo-nazis and simple forum trolls. Close threads which derail, because that's not done enough at the moment. But the topic itself shouldn't be a reason for closing it.

[Ishayu]

This thread is itself inflammatory. To suggest that people who like their countries and don't want them flooded by people who don't share their values is somehow racist is utterly ridiculous, and shows contempt for the people of that nation.

At the minute we've got an actual communist on the mod team. Communists are responsible for vastly more deaths than nationalists, and this continue to be the case, so frankly I don't the left has any moral high ground on the topic of hate, which you seem to think they do.

[Freighter]

I wouldn't trust people on mmo-champion to know what's sensible or what's neo-nazi or what's far-right or alt-right in the first place. People just love to throw those terms around without actually knowing what they mean.

[Deleted]

Opressive and fashistic extreme left strategies given field in the mainstream prompted an extreme right reaction. Who would have thaught that language policing and controll, shaming worldviews of restrain and dialogue and spitting on free speach will embolden totalitarian right. WHO WOULD HAVE THAUGHT THAT TOTALITARIAN LEFT GETTING A PASS WILL MEAN THAT TOTALITARIAN RIGHT WILL BE ALLOWED TO PLAY BY THESAME RULES!?

Everyone who isnt a complete moronic child. Still, neonazis are not a real threat and if the totalitarian left sjw'w would kindly shut the hell up im pretty sure the rise of hte oposte extreme would stop as they are the ones fueling it.

Welcome to the list of things why I meant people like that in my last post:
- the spelling is troll-like horrible (#fashistic #thaught)
- mentioning a hypothetical "left fascism"
- mentioning a hypothetical "language policy and control"
- mentioning free speech as an argument without any context
- RHETORICAL CAPS LOCK QUESTION
- everyone who disagrees is stupid
- oh, and SJW

[Sett]

IMHO we should just remove Off-topic completely and ban any threads that aren't about WoW or Videogames in general.

This.


It's an video game forum. As most posters have mentioned people aren't really that extreme and are just trolling. Report the trolls and don't feed them for a better mmo-champ experience. If it gets bad you can also put people on ignore.

[Deleted]

Being against massive influx of unskilled, low IQ, disrespectful masses is not neo-nazism or hate mongering it's common sense. If you like them so much and think they need help from us, why don't you move there and continue your virtue signaling and see how long will that last?

[XDurionX]

Being against massive influx of unskilled, low IQ, disrespectful masses is not neo-nazism or hate mongering it's common sense. If you like them so much and think they need help from us, why don't you move there and continue your virtue signaling and see how long will that last?

I chuckle at people called "pagan fears" and sporting your avatar talking about "common sense". How is it in "Land of Sanity" bra? Nice signature.

[Deleted]

I chuckle at people called "pagan fears" and sporting your avatar talking about "common sense". How is it in "Land of Sanity" bra? Nice signature.

Nice insinuations without knowing anything about me.

[XDurionX]

Nice insinuations without knowing anything about me.

I stated what you chose to display and anybody can see. Don't have to "insinuate" anything.

[Deleted]

I stated what you chose to display and anybody can see. Don't have to "insinuate" anything.

What does it mean? Do tell...