Why are people here anti-immigrant?

[Mormolyce]

You ridicule Japan for their stubborn refusal to allow immigrants to change their country forever, I believe they should be applauded and I wish my politicians cared about my country like Japan does. Immigration isn't the only answer to an ageing population, there are more delicate solutions. Once you open the flood gates your country changes forever, for the worse.

Maybe you'd like to tell Japan this secret you have.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan...re-2017-7?IR=T
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...nk-third-2065/
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...h-rate/534291/
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.WowpgINuaUk
https://www.ft.com/content/62f066cc-...7-502f7ee26895
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ped-having-sex
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...ecline/537375/
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/j...17-4?r=US&IR=T

^ What you get if you google just "Japan population".

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Nothing wrong with ending chain migration, its just a way for the dems to gain more free votes bring in more ppl that will live off the tit of the gov. and cast a ballot for more handouts. typical response.

Every single American is a product of "chain migration".

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My stance is pretty simple, its being anti-immigrant.

It stems from this:

What culture do they come?
Will they Adopt our Culture?
If No, Why not?
Are they Fundamentalist believers of their Religion?
What do they have to offer the country?
Will they simply use and abuse the system?

Where do you live?

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Why are people here anti - Illegal Immigration ?

There. ftfy.

They can't keep that one straight for five seconds.

[Skayth]

Maybe you'd like to tell Japan this secret you have.

http://www.businessinsider.com/japan...re-2017-7?IR=T
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...nk-third-2065/
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...h-rate/534291/
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.WowpgINuaUk
https://www.ft.com/content/62f066cc-...7-502f7ee26895
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ped-having-sex
https://www.theatlantic.com/business...ecline/537375/
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/j...17-4?r=US&IR=T

^ What you get if you google just "Japan population".

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Every single American is a product of "chain migration".

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Where do you live?

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They can't keep that one straight for five seconds.

Where do i live? Does it matter? Because this would be the same where ever in the world i would be living. I am no nationalist, rather, i want to see boarders and nations dissolve into an entire single state. But we cannot get there when more than half the world believes in santa clause and has bat shit ideals. TRADITION and CULTURE are what needs to change. And until that time, such countries locked in a backwards mentality deserve to be left to their own devices.

[Tackhisis]

Can't blame them, and can't blame the locals for disliking illegal immigrants.

Why did you kill your industry? A 10 million country cannot survive on the ethno-tourism alone.

[Mormolyce]

Where do i live? Does it matter? Because this would be the same where ever in the world i would be living. I am no nationalist, rather, i want to see boarders and nations dissolve into an entire single state. But we cannot get there when more than half the world believes in santa clause and has bat shit ideals. TRADITION and CULTURE are what needs to change. And until that time, such countries locked in a backwards mentality deserve to be left to their own devices.

Wait, you said you'd expect someone to adopt your culture no matter where you lived in the world, but then you said that "half the world" has a bat shit culture.

So if you lived in half the countries, you'd want immigrants to adopt your bat shit culture?

[Machismo]

Targeted immigration is fine, you can never have too many engineers or surgeons. But we don't get many of those, typically the immigrants are poor or entering illegally. They are taking all the low skill jobs creating high youth unemployment, and draining community resources. And in countries like mine (Australia), the immigration is higher than cities and suburbs can absorb them, so ghettos form and government services and amenities are overwhelmed.

The left wants more poor immigrants because poor people always vote socialist. The right wants more immigration to increase economic growth and for cheap employment. The rich don't care, they go home to their walled mansions. It's the middle class that suffers the most and politicians don't care.

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Japan is a social and economic marvel, their recovery from WW2 is to be admired. Yes they have an ageing population and they will have serious social problems within the next 100 years. However allowing millions of poor Muslim or African migrants into the country isn't the answer. They will find solutions to their social problems without destroying their cultural heritage or turning their country into another Sweden.

That's the problem, targeted immigration still undermines those three principles I laid out.

Liberals do want immigration for the votes, that is clear. Corporations do want immigration for the labor capital. As for me, I don't care about votes, I care about those three principles; individual liberty, limited government, and the free markets. I don't much care about people's feelings, their fears, or their hatred.

[Tackhisis]

If you dont manage to learn basic Norwegian in 5 years

Norwegian is quite a hard language to learn, given its non-European phonetics and the fact that the language taught and used in books, government, TV is a completely different language than the real Norwegians speak in the streets, even grammar is different. Even English takes at least 8 years to learn to B1 (pre-intermediate) level. Norwegian will take even longer, and 5 years are not ever close to be enough.

[Machismo]

Selecting people who won't cause problems, who have skills that are needed is good. Letting anyone that wants to come, immigrate, isn't.

The issue with many of the policies, is what metric they want to use, as it can be highly discriminatory. I would much prefer that it be handled by simple demand within a free-market framework.

[Player Twelve]

Norwegian is quite a hard language to learn, given its non-European phonetics and the fact that the language taught and used in books, government, TV is a completely different language than the real Norwegians speak in the streets, even grammar is different. Even English takes at least 8 years to learn to B1 (pre-intermediate) level. Norwegian will take even longer, and 5 years are not ever close to be enough.

Can't be radically different than learning Swedish and there are people who are almost at fluent level after 5 years.

[Machismo]

Why are people here anti - Illegal Immigration ?

There. ftfy.

The issue is that the people who make that claim about only being against anti-illegal immigration, are the ones trying to push further restrictions on immigration. That's certainly the case in the United States.

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Nothing wrong with ending chain migration, its just a way for the dems to gain more free votes bring in more ppl that will live off the tit of the gov. and cast a ballot for more handouts. typical response.

So, it's really not about immigration for you, it's about winning elections? How are you any different than the Dems, other than that they are arguing in favor of freedom, and you are not?

[Deldavala]

Norwegian is quite a hard language to learn, given its non-European phonetics and the fact that the language taught and used in books, government, TV is a completely different language than the real Norwegians speak in the streets, even grammar is different. Even English takes at least 8 years to learn to B1 (pre-intermediate) level. Norwegian will take even longer, and 5 years are not ever close to be enough.

For the level of proficiency needed its piece of cake. And Norwegian is super easy to learn if you know English.

When I was in Beijing I met up with some Chinese students that studied Norwegian. They had been learning for about a year and was more than capable of passing the test the goverment is issuing for immigrants. And thats coming from Chinese, which is part of the language group almost furthest away from Norwegian(I only think Korean is worse)

[Skayth]

Wait, you said you'd expect someone to adopt your culture no matter where you lived in the world, but then you said that "half the world" has a bat shit culture.

So if you lived in half the countries, you'd want immigrants to adopt your bat shit culture?

i am clearly from a westernized secular (Or should be) culture. But, that is the thing, we are mostly a secular culture are the westernized countries. From North America to Europe. Hell even china has become more westernized. But "our" culture cannot play around a brick wall. A Brick wall, will always be a brick wall. It will not bend, and its resolve is cold as stone, specially when santa clause is greatest thing to them.

[Daelak]

Are you actually arguing that places like Africa and India are more advanced civilizations than any white nation? Lol. Reality check on aisle 5, please.

Sounds like you never left your county you were born if, let alone read a book, or travel to India or Africa. But please keep stereotyping continents and billions of people, you will be right at home like the rest of the conservative ideologies and speakers you love.

[Player Twelve]

Sounds like you never left your county you were born if, let alone read a book, or travel to India or Africa. But please keep stereotyping continents and billions of people, you will be right at home like the rest of the conservative ideologies and speakers you love.

You don't need to go to other countries to know they're worse than the country you live in.

[Daelak]

You don't need to go to other countries to know they're worse than the country you live in.

Of course not, but you do need to have at least some modicum of knowledge about them. Thinking that the continent of Africa and India are not as "advanced" as the US is only to stoke racial animus and develop a superiority complex. It's a mental shortcut to prop up insecure egos.

[Player Twelve]

Of course not, but you do need to have at least some modicum of knowledge about them. Thinking that the continent of Africa and India are not as "advanced" as the US is only to stoke racial animus and develop a superiority complex. It's a mental shortcut to prop up insecure egos.

But USA is more advanced than most countries in the world, including those mentioned. Has absolutely nothing to do with race.

[Macaquerie]

You don't need to go to other countries to know they're worse than the country you live in.

A lot of places in third world countries are much nicer than you'd think, because in many cases they went from having no infrastructure at all to modern high-tech amenities, whereas many wealthy areas are loath to splurge on expensive upgrades or replacements as long as the existing infrastructure is usable with minimal maintenance. For example, witness how shitty the NYC subway system is compared to a lot of the shiny new metros being built in India. A lot of places in Africa pretty much skipped over telephone lines entirely, going from not having phones at all to smartphones. Now obviously, it's only the major cities in India and Africa that enjoy these perks, but that's the way development goes everywhere.

[Player Twelve]

A lot of places in third world countries are much nicer than you'd think, because in many cases they went from having no infrastructure at all to modern high-tech amenities, whereas many wealthy areas are loath to upgrade or replace existing infrastructure as long as they can keep using it with minimal maintenance. For example, witness how shitty the NYC subway system is compared to a lot of the shiny new metros being built in India. A lot of places in Africa pretty much skipped over telephone lines entirely, going from not having phones at all to smartphones.

That doesn't really make any difference when their social attitudes are like the early 20th century here or late 19th, if not even further back.

[Daelak]

But USA is more advanced than most countries in the world, including those mentioned. Has absolutely nothing to do with race.

Be more specific. What constitutes more advanced? Do you really think there are no modern cities in Africa or India where human beings are living out lives comparable to yours?

[Player Twelve]

Do you really think there are no modern cities in Africa or India where human beings are living out lives comparable to yours?

Comparable life to mine? Maybe but I find it unlikely considering what they think of women. Comparable life to LGBT people? No way.

[Daelak]

Comparable life to mine? Maybe but I find it unlikely considering what they think of women. Comparable life to LGBT people? No way.

Then you would be wrong. It's ok, you have learned something new today. Check out some articles about some of the cities in Africa and India. The young people there aren't living radically different lives than you or I. Syria yes, Afghanistan yes.