Dark Iron Shamans... hope blizzard changes their mind

[Ielenia]

Also being enslaved by an elemental lord and its minions is the exact opposite of how a dark shaman works. Just because the word "enslavement" occurs in both cases, it's silly to ignore who's enslaving who. So I don't know why people are bringing this up.

Shamans don't enslave or are enslaved by the elements. It's a mutual binding contract between them.

[Fheng]

There aren't Zandalari Paladins in game only Prelate or Freethinker that aren't our Paladins.

But people thinks that 3 spells can make a class atm.

To be fair blizzard also seems to think that 3 spells can make a class with their new design philosophies lol.

[corebit]

Shamans don't enslave or are enslaved by the elements. It's a mutual binding contract between them.

I specifically said dark shaman in the sentence you quoted . You know the mobs we fight in SoO?

[alexday14]

i thought dwarves could be shamans in cata because the council of three hammers brought in wildhammer shamans that taught bronzebeards shamanism? i doubt they'd have taught the dark iron too

[corebit]

i thought dwarves could be shamans in cata because the council of three hammers brought in wildhammer shamans that taught bronzebeards shamanism? i doubt they'd have taught the dark iron too

Yes, regular dwarves could be shamans in Cataclysm because the Wildhammer taught them. They could also be mages and warlocks because the Dark Irons taught them.

So the only way I see another Alliance dwarf getting shaman is by introducing Wildhammer dwarves allied race.

[Ielenia]

I specifically said dark shaman in the sentence you quoted . You know the mobs we fight in SoO?

Yeah, missed the 'dark' part. My bad.

[Toppy]

Yes, regular dwarves could be shamans in Cataclysm because the Wildhammer taught them. They could also be mages and warlocks because the Dark Irons taught them.

So the only way I see another Alliance dwarf getting shaman is by introducing Wildhammer dwarves allied race.

Somehow the Wildhammer cant teach Dark Iron?

[Ielenia]

Somehow the Wildhammer cant teach Dark Iron?

Are they interested in learning?

[Toppy]

Are they interested in learning?

Why wouldnt they be?

Bronzebeard certainly werent against being taught how to be Warlocks.

[Ielenia]

Why wouldnt they be?

Bronzebeard certainly werent against being taught how to be Warlocks.

I dunno. They might not just be interested in serving the elements.

[Toppy]

I dunno. They might not just be interested in serving the elements.

You could easily make the argument that they want to make up for all the shit they did. Or use the elements as a tool like the Goblins do.

[Ielenia]

You could easily make the argument that they want to make up for all the shit they did. Or use the elements as a tool like the Goblins do.

The shamans are servants of the elements. The Dark Iron don't seem the type to take kindly to servitude. The idea of serving the elements again would sound kind of outrageous to the Dark Iron, at least in my opinion.

[RangerDaz]

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=9319/houn...bmar#abilities
bloodlust
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=8983/gole...mach#abilities
chain lightning, lightning shield, shock
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=9019/empe...ssan#abilities
avatar of flame
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=9437/dark...falk#abilities
shock, lightning bolt

btw if you wanted proof of dark iron shamans

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http://www.wowhead.com/npc=9319/houn...bmar#abilities
bloodlust
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=8983/gole...mach#abilities
chain lightning, lightning shield, shock
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=9019/empe...ssan#abilities
avatar of flame
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=9437/dark...falk#abilities
shock, lightning bolt
yes, a few, what i could find just in the dungeon.

Thank you. That was very useful!
Especially for those who claim Dark Iron don't have any shaman affinity in lore or ingame.

[Ramz]

There aren't Zandalari Paladins in game only Prelate or Freethinker that aren't our Paladins.

But people thinks that 3 spells can make a class atm.

It's 4 actually :

http://www.wowhead.com/npc=69927/zan...late#abilities

I only included picture of 3 abilities because 3 out of 4 spells are from holy school of magic.


As for Dark Iron Dwarf,

even if we ignore Their own lore within Blackrok mountain, you can't ignore twilight dark shamans which had dark irons among them. Althought one could argue that Twilight elementalists are more mages than shamans.

However another proof is that within Blackrock mountain there is Twilight aligned Tauren shaman that was clearly teaching dark irons.

I think Alliance should get Dark Iron shamans because they'd probably be the coolest shaman on their same, same on Prelates on Horde side.

[ChairmanKaga]

What is it that you don't understand?

Absolutely nowhere has anyone suggested Zandalari Paladins = Darkspear Paladins thus pass what you are smoking. Stop hogging it.

[Ielenia]

But they used that Naaru power for that. "The Blood Knight leadership maintained that they were simply doing what had to be done to protect Quel'Thalas, and considered many of their detractors to be ungrateful for the service the knights provided in keeping their people safe.". My argument is rather "it must have something to it that makes sense and not just trash mobs reference..."

That just rationalizing the kidnapping, torture and experimentation of a Naaru. If, by how you said, paladins are "patient, compassionate and brave", kidnapping, torture and inhumane experimentation should not be allowed. The Blood Knights were created by spilling the blood of innocents. Metaphorically speaking. Not sure a Naaru can bleed, but the point stands.

I wanted to say there "Paladins Holy Light". Still, find me that "Divine" in all of these https://wow.gamepedia.com/Loa Actually why you are at it, check how savage style all those loas have.

I'd like to point out that one of the tags of that page is 'holy'. Anyways. Shadra is a Loa we see can grant holy powers to their followers.

I did not ignore it. I took first example that makes them legit paladins. I already said above - it must have something to it that makes sense and not just trash mobs reference...". Blood Knights have much more than being a trash mobs.

I'm still uncertain why you think using NPCs as reference is not sufficient, considering those NPCs check almost all the items in the list. It makes sense. Trolls can use holy powers, loa can grant holy power, we have an NPC using paladin-like abilities and behaving like a paladin would, we have coming in BfA a troll civilization that is not just huts and tribes, but an actual empire, with big cities made of gold and stone, nobility and everything. I mean, everything checks.

They are either priests or they are warriors or paladins. There is no such thing as priest in plate.

There are. They're called paladins.

[8bithamster]

Can you bloody paladin fetishists please find another topic. This is just getting pathetic to take over every topic because you want to talk about it...

[Toppy]

Can you bloody paladin fetishists please find another topic. This is just getting pathetic to take over every topic because you want to talk about it...

I've been reporting it.

[FelPlague]

Thank you. That was very useful!
Especially for those who claim Dark Iron don't have any shaman affinity in lore or ingame.

"Avatar of flame" is not a shaman spell just to say btw, but "Avatar of flame" sounds very much and seems very much like

which shaman can change into as a cooldown.

also i do love how the troll community is so bad they have made this thread about zandalari paladins again, but if you dare mention dark iron dwarves in their thread they will eat you alive saying 3 mobs with 4 shaman spells is not enough to be a class.
but one mob with 3 spells that are holy spells is enough for zandalari paladins.

[sam86]

There was no Elemental lord in Orgrimmar so the elementals had no chance to defend themselves

we are talking about the concept that u can be shaman and elements hate u, that exist, proven, like void elves who are already a minor from extremely minor race (90% of high elves died in sunwell, rest renamed blood elves with 10% stay high elves, and of the blood elves even few went void), i'm pretty sure there can be far more dark iron dwarf shamans than void elves lorewise, not that it matters for blizz, who prioritize the rule of 'kool' since cataclysm above anything else