'I am deeply sorry' says teacher spared jail despite sexual relationship with student

[Stelio Kontos]

I'd bet if we sat down and talked for awhile we would agree on many things.

Good to see grown adults can find common ground on when it's ok to have sex with minors...

[Mormolyce]

Bet she would have gone to prison if she had been male.

Yet if it was a man....

False. An 18 month suspended sentence is not uncommon in these kinds of cases.

How did I know it was going to be a women before opening the thread?

Because nobody talks about the ones committed by men, no political capital to be made out of it.

[LiiLoSNK]

She's not much of a looker, but if I were 15 I definitely would have layed that down.

[Orange Joe]

Definitions of words and common vernacular are different.

It doesn't really matter what psychiatrists say, most people think a 40 year old who wants to fuck 14 year olds is a pedophile. Are they technically wrong? Yes. Does it actually matter? No.

Doesn't really matter what people think. The laws goes by the actual definition not what people "feel"

[Super Kami Dende]

Definitions of words and common vernacular are different.

It doesn't really matter what psychiatrists say, most people think a 40 year old who wants to fuck 14 year olds is a pedophile. Are they technically wrong? Yes. Does it actually matter? No.

It does matter quite a bit though. Since I would be far more disgusted at an adult wanting to have sex with a Child the age of 8-9 than I would at one being 14-15.

Both are disgusting, one far far more.

[Celista]

Apparently it's hard for people to figure out that the sex itself is only part of the issue, and that the greater part of the abuse lies in an adult with authority abusing said invested authority in order to have sex with a minor, illegally.

But hey, we've got actual apologists for pedophilia around here, so there's no low I'm not surprised to see defended on mmo-champ.

Yeah the bolded is true and fucking gross and I 100% agree that her exploiting her position in order to groom young boys is a significant part of why her behavior is wrong.

[Orange Joe]

Because nobody talks about the ones committed by men, no political capital to be made out of it.

Has there been a case of a male teacher being let off in a similar situation?

[Mormolyce]

Alright we got another one for 14.

Getting lower and lower here, folks.

Lol.

A common age of consent in Europe, for example.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

[Celista]

Technically she isn't a Pedophile. Either way putting these Women in Prison might actually make the Law start seem to seem Equal.

I tire of these semantics games on this forum regarding the definition of pedophilia, no where else I've been seems to quibble over the definition. In any case I'd consider sleeping with 12 year olds to be pedophilia.

[Orange Joe]

I tire of these semantics games on this forum regarding the definition of pedophilia, no where else I've been seems to quibble over the definition. In any case I'd consider sleeping with 12 year olds to be pedophilia.

You know. I don't remember if the age was confirmed. I just assumed 15 for some reason as that is what we were talking about.


Do we know the age of the kid?

[Socialhealer]

A common age of consent in Europe, for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

Americans are scared of sex and the naked body and the rest of the world is sick for being so relaxed about it, but guns for all! /s or is it /s? O.o

[Super Kami Dende]

You know. I don't remember if the age was confirmed. I just assumed 15 for some reason as that is what we were talking about.


Do we know the age of the kid?

I tried to find it and it only said grade 7-9. So I guess anywhere between 12 and 15.

[Seranthor]

Wait a minute. Does this seem right. Why aren`t we making an example out of this.

No it doesn't seem right, but this is the world we live in Tennis. If the teacher had been male the Crown and you would have wanted him put under the jail until he was executed.

[PosPosPos]

Doesn't really matter what people think. The laws goes by the actual definition not what people "feel"

It's funny how you shift the goalposts to talk about legal definitions after harping on the semantics of "pedophilia" and "pedophiles" when those aren't even legal terms.

There's sex with the underaged, and there's sex with the non-underaged, so argue based on those instead of nitpicking for your own emotional satisfaction.

[Super Kami Dende]

I tire of these semantics games on this forum regarding the definition of pedophilia, no where else I've been seems to quibble over the definition. In any case I'd consider sleeping with 12 year olds to be pedophilia.

Maybe because places not on this Forum people understand the difference?

[Mormolyce]

Has there been a case of a male teacher being let off in a similar situation?

"Let off"? You mean a suspended sentence? It generally depends on the severity of the assault I think, suspended sentences are possible in all classes unless it's aggravated sexual assault.

https://www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/...e-found-guilty

Stats are a little hard to come by but there's this:

Criminal justice outcomes of sexual assault

Over a six‑year period between 2009 and 2014, sexual assault cases experienced attrition at all levels of the criminal justice system: an accused was identified in three in five (59%) sexual assault incidents reported by police; less than half (43%) of sexual assault incidents resulted in a charge being laid; of these, half (49%) proceeded to court; of which just over half (55%) led to a conviction; of which just over half (56%) were sentenced to custody.Note
Overall, one in five (21%) sexual assaults reported by police led to a completed court case within the six‑year reference period. This is compared with nearly double the proportion (39%) of physical assaults.
About 1 in 10 (12%) sexual assaults reported by police led to a criminal conviction, and 7% resulted in a custody sentence. This is compared with 23% and 8%, respectively, for physical assaults.
Three in five (60%) sexual assault charges recommended by police were changed to another offence type once in court; most were changed to other types of sexual offences, physical assault, or administration of justice‑related offences.
When compared with physical assaults, sexual assaults were far more prone to dropping out of the justice system between police and court: while three‑quarters (75%) of physical assaults proceeded to court after being charged by police, only half (49%) of sexual assaults did.
Of incidents retained in the justice system, sexual assaults were marginally less likely than physical assaults to result in conviction (55% versus 59%), but if convicted, were far more likely to result in a custody sentence (56% versus 36%). It may be suggested that the small proportion of sexual assaults that proceed to court are among the most serious in nature or have the greatest likelihood of conviction based on available evidence, which may explain why conviction rates are similar and sentencing outcomes are harsher when compared with physical assaults.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-.../14699-eng.htm

If that's accurate then ~44% of convictions result in a non-custodial sentence.

[Narveid]

"That's a cute- oh, it's Tennis." You almost got me Tennis. You almost got me.

Nothing much to be to said to OT though. Even if she doesn't serve jail time, she'll suffer most of her life for having to go around with the shame of having sexually abused a minor.

[Orange Joe]

It's funny how you shift the goalposts to talk about legal definitions after harping on the semantics of "pedophilia" and "pedophiles" when those aren't even legal terms.

There's sex with the underaged, and there's sex with the non-underaged, so argue based on those instead of nitpicking for your own emotional satisfaction.

You are right, there is no legal part of it. but I'm confused about the last part of your statement. I'm not the one getting emotional here and calling people anything based on my feelings.

[Socialhealer]

Yeah most of the countries with an age of consent of 14 don't apply to adults...

Those laws apply to 14 year olds fucking 17 year olds, and such. Not 40 year olds banging 14 year olds.

im no legal expert but once you're above the age of consent you can consent to sex with anyone else above that age? doesn't matter if its 14 17 or 90 they're all over 14, you just have to consent right? don't want to fuck a 40 year old? don't and don't consent to it.

[Mormolyce]

Yeah most of the countries with an age of consent of 14 don't apply to adults...

Those laws apply to 14 year olds fucking 17 year olds, and such. Not 40 year olds banging 14 year olds.

No, this is excluding "Romeo and Juliet" exceptions as the US calls them.

For example, in Italy the age of consent is 14, with an exemption down to 13 if the participants are close in age.

So yes, a 40 year old can bang a 14 year old in Italy. Providing they consent of course.