Local gun shops see spikes in AR-15 rifle sales after school shooting

[BadguyNotBadGuy]

if you magically made all guns in existence dissappear KIDS WOULD STILL DIE, PEOPLE WOULD KILL PEOPLE STILL!

they got bombs/cars/planes/rocks/fist/etc....

more people in the US died to fist/feet than rifles in 2015
same for knifes
this is with the governments OWN DATA!

we should ban knifes and cut of everyones hands to right to PROTECT DAH CHILDREN!

the guns are not the problem, mental health/people are.

school shootings pretty much always come down to two things, MENTAL health or BULLIES.....*sometimes they are one in the same really*

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-p...s-r-1823016659

[Deleted]

Backpacks? Gym bags?

Got any proof to back up your assumption? Never seen anything about that mentioned in any MSM news reports.

[tankbug]

What? You act as though that isn't the case in many schools already. Been that way in many places for YEARS.

https://www.scpr.org/blogs/education...high-school-w/

I guess the dystopian future is already here. Shocking...

[Vankrys]

if you magically made all guns in existence dissappear KIDS WOULD STILL DIE, PEOPLE WOULD KILL PEOPLE STILL!

they got bombs/cars/planes/rocks/fist/etc....

more people in the US died to fist/feet than rifles in 2015
same for knifes
this is with the governments OWN DATA!

we should ban knifes and cut of everyones hands to right to PROTECT DAH CHILDREN!

the guns are not the problem, mental health/people are.

school shootings pretty much always come down to two things, MENTAL health or BULLIES.....*sometimes they are one in the same really*

riiiight

So instead of mass shooting, you'd have mass ... stabbing. or mass punching.
Somehow leading to the same death toll.

Beside, if mass shooting comes down to mental health issue, then why the hell Trump remove the barrier in place for people with mental health history to buy gun? Why not simply restrict gun access to prevent people with unresolved mental health history. You need to get your story straight. Is mental health the problem or is it not?

[Arthas242]

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-p...s-r-1823016659

the FBI had the guy and was warned twice...... it could of been prevented, this is not a gun issue but a mental health issue and even a FBI issue.

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riiiight

So instead of mass shooting, you'd have mass ... stabbing. or mass punching.
Somehow leading to the same death toll.

Beside, if mass shooting comes down to mental health issue, then why the hell Trump remove the barrier in place for people with mental health history to buy gun? Why not simply restrict gun access to prevent people with unresolved mental health history. You need to get your story straight. Is mental health the problem or is it not?

https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world...ack/index.html

29 people died to a mass knife/cleavers attack

NO GUN 29 dead 130 injured

[Spray]

I didn't say students, I don't see why each school can't have a security guard trained specifically for this type of event, it's not like the US is short of unemployed people, especially veterans.

Why, though.

I come from a country when you don't need that - schools don't have security guards, mass shootings don't happen, people don't own firearms if they're not required to due to their occupation and so on.

Why would you want to own a firearm, if you don't have a reason to use it? Like that would be of any use to you if war comes.

[Deleted]

then why the hell Trump remove the barrier in place for people with mental health history to buy gun?

THAT is a complete, 100% total FUCKING LIE.

You have NO CLUE as to what you are talking about. All you have done is read some stupid fucking headline and think you are educated enough to make such a completely FALSE statement. FFS - what the MSM has done to contribute to the IGNORANCE of our society is just fucking ridiculous, sad, and pathetic.

[Casterbridge]

Yeah, with the same size magazines. So, handguns should be legal and longarms not? That's hysterical.

Nonsense the basic magazines that come with even full size pistols are smaller than the basic magazines of ARs and the extended magazines available for some pistols will not match the biggest magazine available for ARs, hell you can get a 100 round magazine for ARs (as ridiculous as that is).

In addition a base AR will be easier to shoot faster and more accurately and at further ranges (still better at close range as well) than a base pistol.

[BadguyNotBadGuy]

riiiight

So instead of mass shooting, you'd have mass ... stabbing. or mass punching.
Somehow leading to the same death toll.

Beside, if mass shooting comes down to mental health issue, then why the hell Trump remove the barrier in place for people with mental health history to buy gun? Why not simply restrict gun access to prevent people with unresolved mental health history. You need to get your story straight. Is mental health the problem or is it not?

also a 'mass' stabbing will end at about 2 stabbings, maybe even 3... before the person gets overpowered. if they dont overpower him/her before that, then they quite frankly deserve to get stabbed for not helping their fellows. this isnt to mention that those stabs are likely going to be less lethal, and are generally harder to execute than just pressing the trigger.

a mass punching is just an average fight and/or bullying.

[Deleted]

Well the american answer to a problem being caused by guns is more guns.

Thier logic is unquestioneble thier line of thinking is godlike id geuss?

[Dellis0991]

Basically grown men acting like kids. They get really emotional when parents threaten to take their toys away. Emotional buyers are suckers for impulse purchases.

Every shooting I get some hysteria adverts from local dealers. Its like clockwork, more so than the tax rebate sales.

Yup...they turn into "over my dead body types" until they realize they made a shitty mistake and second hand sell it to someone who sells again it to someone who eventually use it in a crime....then the cycle repeats and gun shops rejoice.

[XDurionX]

if you magically made all guns in existence dissappear KIDS WOULD STILL DIE, PEOPLE WOULD KILL PEOPLE STILL!

they got bombs/cars/planes/rocks/fist/etc....

more people in the US died to fist/feet than rifles in 2015
same for knifes
this is with the governments OWN DATA!

we should ban knifes and cut of everyones hands to right to PROTECT DAH CHILDREN!

the guns are not the problem, mental health/people are.

school shootings pretty much always come down to two things, MENTAL health or BULLIES.....*sometimes they are one in the same really*

Call again when someone injures 500 people and kills 50 from his hotel room with a fucking knife. Nobody says that all violence will magically disappear, stop with this idiotic strawman. But as evidence in EVERY FUCKING COUNTRY in the world shows, less guns = less homicides, less suicides and less fatal accidents.

[Vankrys]

THAT is a complete, 100% total FUCKING LIE.

You have NO CLUE as to what you are talking about. All you have done is read some stupid fucking headline and think you are educated enough to make such a completely FALSE statement. FFS - what the MSM has done to contribute to the IGNORANCE of our society is just fucking ridiculous, sad, and pathetic.

I did read more than the title. Top of my head, i could search for the exact wording, but going from memory, Obama instated a social security check to see if someone received a disability payment from a third party for mental issue. This in addition to the mandatory FBI check. That additional check, although imperfect because doesn't go far enough, still prevented tens of thousand unstable people access to gun.

Trump removed the social security check.

Again, just to prove i am not as stupid you think i am, this is from memory, i could be slightly off, but i think i got the gist of it.

[Deleted]

Obama instated a social security check to see if someone received a disability payment from a third party for mental issue.

Wrong

This in addition to the mandatory FBI check.

Wrong

That additional check, although imperfect because doesn't go far enough, still prevented tens of thousand unstable people access to gun.

Wrong

Trump removed the social security check.

Slightly correct

In 2015 and 2016, the Obama administration implemented a series of policies that deemed those needing a representative payee through the Social Security Administration and Veterans Affairs “mentally unfit.” As a result, millions of individuals became ineligible to purchase a firearm. A representative payee is someone who helps benefit recipients with finances and bureaucracy navigation.

These so-called mentally unfit individuals were then entered into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System as ineligible to purchase a firearm without due process. No hearings, no trials, no medical assessment.

The ACLU publicly opposed the Social Security measure and urged Congress to act on reversing it.

“In December 2016, the SSA promulgated a final rule that would require the names of all Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefit recipients — who, because of a mental impairment, use a representative payee to help manage their benefits – be submitted to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), which is used during gun purchases,” the ACLU wrote in a letter to senators last year.

“We oppose this rule because it advances and reinforces the harmful stereotype that people with mental disabilities, a vast and diverse group of citizens, are violent and should not own a gun. There is no data to support a connection between the need for a representative payee to manage one’s Social Security disability benefits and a propensity toward gun violence,” the letter continued. “The rule further demonstrates the damaging phenomenon of ‘spread,’ or the perception that a disabled individual with one area of impairment automatically has additional, negative and unrelated attributes,” the letter continued. “Regulation of firearms and individual gun ownership or use must be consistent with civil liberties principles, such as due process, equal protection, freedom from unlawful searches, and privacy.”

The National Council on Disability also weighed in.

“There is, simply put, no nexus between the inability to manage money and the ability to safely and responsibly own, possess or use a firearm. This arbitrary linkage not only unnecessarily and unreasonably deprives individuals with disabilities of a constitutional right, it increases the stigma for those who, due to their disabilities, may need a representative payee,” the organization released in a statement.

Last year, the House and Senate voted to bar the Social Security Administration from engaging in the practice of entering individuals seeking monetary guidance into the background check system as mentally unfit, reversing the Obama administration policy. President Trump signed the bill into law. Similar legislation prohibiting the VA from doing the same passed the House last year and is waiting for Senate approval.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) sent a letter to then-Attorney General Eric Holder in 2015, asking why an alarming number of veterans were being referred to NICS as ineligible to purchase a firearm.

“Once the VA determines that a veteran requires a fiduciary to administer benefit payments, the VA reports that veteran to the gun ban list, consequently denying his or her right to possess and own firearms,” Grassley wrote. “The VA’s regulation appears to omit important findings and never reaches the question of whether a veteran is a danger to himself, herself, or others. Thus, a VA determination that a veteran is ‘incompetent’ to manage finances is insufficient to conclude that the veteran is ‘mentally defective’ under the ATF’s standard that is codified in federal law.”

Trump reversed the Social Security policy unfairly and unlawfully implemented by the Obama administration. He is expected to do the same with the VA once the Senate votes on legislation sponsored by Grassley and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.).

“Veterans are losing their Second Amendment rights because they have someone managing their checkbook,” Grassley wrote in a letter to President Trump earlier this month.

Trump did not reverse a policy that allows the mentally ill to purchase firearms as reporters, media pundits and anti-Second Amendment activists have recklessly claimed. Instead, he’s given millions of individuals their constitutional rights back.

And now you know the actual story.

[Allybeboba]

Who dubbed it “America’s most popular rifle”?

Peace

[PogChamp]

the problem here is the media showing this shit 24/7 after it happens, some sick kid is going to see that and he'll notice how much attention this murderer gets, and one day when he's tired of being(at least in his mind) ignored and shit on by everyone, he will get a gun and do the same thing, and people will notice him finally, because the media will run the story nonstop for the next week after it happens because it boosts their ratings.

these same retarded fucks running media companies are the ones fine with passing the blame off to music/movies/video game, they know they are much more to blame but they don't care because they make money off this tragedy and the next one will make them even more money. it's gross.

Phillip DeFranco actually does something really smart that others should copy when stories like this happen, he doesn't show the killer, he tells the story, shows the victims, and then moves on from the story. Big media companies won't do this because if they all did it then the 1 who actually showed a picture would get more ratings, so it would go back to everyone showing the killer, which is why showing a picture of the killer after something like this should be illegal for the media.

[Vankrys]

Who dubbed it “America’s most popular rifle”?

Peace

AR-15 is basically a M-16 except the M-16 has a selective fire (semi or full auto) while AR-15 is semi auto.



From top to bottom M16A1, M16A2, M4A1, M16A4

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the problem here is the media showing this shit 24/7 after it happens, some sick kid is going to see that and he'll notice how much attention this murderer gets, and one day when he's tired of being(at least in his mind) ignored and shit on by everyone, he will get a gun and do the same thing, and people will notice him finally, because the media will run the story nonstop for the next week after it happens because it boosts their ratings.

these same retarded fucks running media companies are the ones fine with passing the blame off to music/movies/video game, they know they are much more to blame but they don't care because they make money off this tragedy and the next one will make them even more money. it's gross.

You're not wrong.

Much like gunshop benefit from these tragedies, so does the media.
People click on those stories about human life lost, which increase media revenue. Story about the death of kids is the golden hen egg for them.

[Allybeboba]

AR-15 is basically a M-16 except the M-16 has a selective fire (semi or full auto) while AR-15 is semi auto.



From top to bottom M16A1, M16A2, M4A1, M16A4

I know exactly what it is my friend. I am quite familiar with the M16. Probably more than most here on this forum.
Nevertheless, it doesn’t answer my question.

Peace

[Noradin]

It happens every time, there is no better advertisments for guns than a mass shooting.

[Allenseiei]

The gun issue in the US is something that's very hard to solve, both sides have strong arguments. Maybe stead of talking about gun control, since its a hard thing to do, they should talk about why such individuals decide to cross the line and funnel resources into that.