Why are people impressed with recycled Marvel movie plots? (spoiler free)

[TexasRules]

Its a bit farfetched but could be the reason they set it up to happen there.

Xisa has an agenda. He cannot see beyond his agenda in everything being discussed here. He should be more concerned with the cgi in the last fight, it was horrible. In his view this movie is making money because of black people. In most people's view it is making money because it's Marvel. Look at freaking Antman, they can sell anything.

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Exactly how I feel about these comic book movies, I am very familiar with pretty much every middling or above hero or villain in the DC, Marvel or 2000AD universe and enjoy watching them I just fail to see why people are fucking raving about them.

On your point, the best "hero" movie in the last several years may be Dredd.(that's a great 2000ad hero for most people out there) I would re watch that over most marvel movies.

[stomination]

And here I thought they fought down in the hole so they could use the plot device sonic destabilizers as a reason to defeat the indestructible super vibranium suits with a spear.

Yea I didnt read into it at all...and I dont see it being about the underground railroad. It was just a plot device.

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Xisa has an agenda. He cannot see beyond his agenda in everything being discussed here. He should be more concerned with the cgi in the last fight, it was horrible. In his view this movie is making money because of black people. In most people's view it is making money because it's Marvel. Look at freaking Antman, they can sell anything.

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On your point, the best "hero" movie in the last several years may be Dredd.(that's a great 2000ad hero for most people out there) I would re watch that over most marvel movies.

Dredd is really cool and was cast well, it is a shame they did not expand on the larger world and stayed in a small block.

[korijenkins]

Two reasons.

1. The recycled outline for each film is entertaining every time.

2. There is virtually no competition. DC is incompetent, not even able to tell which films of their's are good and bad before they release (which is why a WW sequel was not even being considered before it released). Fox and the X-Men are done and gone. Sony and Marvel are sharing Spider-Man.

[TexasRules]

Yea I didnt read into it at all...and I dont see it being about the underground railroad. It was just a plot device to weaken the vibranium to me.

Most people will not read in to it like that, I certainly never gave it a thought. I was too busy wondering why the cgi kept getting messed up, it's even worse in the above ground battle scene.

[Trassk]

If you saw Black Panther, and don't understand why it's a big deal, you're either:

A). An idiot
B). Have an Agenda

It's a waste of time trying to describe it, because I'm betting my money the problem is Selection B. You don't want to know, because it doesn't suit you.

oh ho yes, because its only those who have criticisms about the movie that have an agenda

[TexasRules]

Two reasons.

1. The recycled outline for each film is entertaining every time.

2. There is virtually no competition. DC is incompetent, not even able to tell which films of their's are good and bad before they release (which is why a WW sequel was not even being considered before it released). Fox and the X-Men are done and gone. Sony and Marvel are sharing Spider-Man.

It's a shame because the dc villains are far superior to the marvel villains. I have an exception for the street level thug type villains. I thought shocker was reimagined well in homecoming and the tease of scorpion was a nice touch.

[Felaris Stormrage]

If you saw Black Panther, and don't understand why it's a big deal, you're either:

A). An idiot
B). Have an Agenda

It's a waste of time trying to describe it, because I'm betting my money the problem is Selection B. You don't want to know, because it doesn't suit you.

I'm option A, black, and don't understand the big deal surrounding it.

[Xisa]

And here I thought they fought down in the hole so they could use the plot device sonic destabilizes as a reason to defeat the indestructible super vibranium suits with a spear.

The stabilizers could have easily been near the surface for plot's sake. Would have been easier as well.

The main villain literally died saying "Bury me in the ocean with my brothers and sisters who knew death was better than bondage" in reference to slavery.

Do you really think the Underground Railroad thing was an accident? Come on.

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oh ho yes, because its only those who have criticisms about the movie that have an agenda

There are valid criticisms to make against any Marvel movie, and this movie shares those criticisms.
That's not what this thread is about though: This thread is about why people are impressed with this movie.

That is an entirely different discussion.

[Sliske]

Why are people impressed with recycled Marvel movie plots?

Imagine you did something and it made you a billion dollars. Now imagine you could do it again - would you?

Of course you would.

[stomination]

The stabilizers could have easily been near the surface for plot's sake. Would have been easier as well.

The main villain literally died saying "Bury me in the ocean with my brothers and sisters who knew death was better than bondage" in reference to slavery.

Do you really think the Underground Railroad thing was an accident? Come on.

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There are valid criticisms to make against any Marvel movie, and this movie shares those criticisms.
That's not what this thread is about though: This thread is about why people are impressed with this movie.

That is an entirely different discussion.

WHy would the stablizers be overground? You typically mine stuff underground and need to move it up.

[Ealyssa]

Why do every movies ever have the same plot ?

Situation
complication
resolution

[TexasRules]

The stabilizers could have easily been near the surface for plot's sake. Would have been easier as well.

The main villain literally died saying "Bury me in the ocean with my brothers and sisters who knew death was better than bondage" in reference to slavery.

Do you really think the Underground Railroad thing was an accident? Come on.

Do you really think most people see it that way? Just because, like the red skull, he has a very race consuming objective, does not mean everything in the movie is a race related anecdote.

Would you have preferred they used slaves to bring it up to the surface , like a lord of the rings orc mining operation? I doubt that most people will see that as a nod tot he underground railroad.

[Bodakane]

If I were cynical man, I'd think he OP's real problem with the movie is that the heroes are black, but he lacks the testicular fortitude of admitting his racism loud and proud, so he's looking for reasons to shit on the movie, which would explain why this thread wasn't made in the movie forum.....but I'm not cynical, so it is probably not that.

[TexasRules]

There are valid criticisms to make against any Marvel movie, and this movie shares those criticisms.
That's not what this thread is about though: This thread is about why people are impressed with this movie.

That is an entirely different discussion.

I missed that in the title of the thread.

[Xisa]

Xisa has an agenda. He cannot see beyond his agenda in everything being discussed here. He should be more concerned with the cgi in the last fight, it was horrible. In his view this movie is making money because of black people. In most people's view it is making money because it's Marvel. Look at freaking Antman, they can sell anything

The reasons this movie has made such headlines - and done so well - are cultural.
The film itself is a pretty by-the-numbers Marvel film, mechanically. I'm not entirely certain there's extensive argument against that.

The question asked is: Why are people impressed with it?

I'll ask a separate question: When's the last time you saw a Blockbuster film that culturally celebrated Black African culture while acknowledging it has been stolen and robbed from Blacks living in the US that came over during the slave trade?

If you can name that movie, I want you to then name one where White people didn't jump in and save the day for them.

The fact that Disney was ballsy enough to put that in a blockbuster, let alone a MARVEL movie, is astonishing.
That's what people are celebrating about this film.

-Lord of the Rings wasn't popular because it was a fantasy movie loaded with action.
-The Matrix wasn't popular because it was an action movie involving hacking.
-Black Panther isn't popular because it's a Marvel-shop superhero movie.

They all contain an element that defines them uniquely outside of the mechanical bones of the film.

If you don't understand that, there isn't much more to explain. It's the equivalent of describing color to a blind person.

[Deleted]

The stabilizers could have easily been near the surface for plot's sake. Would have been easier as well.

[B]The main villain literally died saying "Bury me in the ocean with my brothers and sisters who knew death was better than bondage" in reference to slavery.[/B]

Do you really think the Underground Railroad thing was an accident? Come on.

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There are valid criticisms to make against any Marvel movie, and this movie shares those criticisms.
That's not what this thread is about though: This thread is about why people are impressed with this movie.

That is an entirely different discussion.

https://imgur.com/a/0Y0bu

Pretty hypocritical coming from a Wakandan, they have a big wall around their nation and trespassers are killed on sight.

[Rhaide]

Yea michael B Jordan did a great job and really summed up that if you think the way he does then you are a villian as well.

Very much so, great villain. The writing does a lot to show the desperation of a group, and how the most radicalized members can do harm despite their concerns being completely valid.

[Queen of Hamsters]

More than just plot drives these movies. It's the full experience with characters, effects, humour etc.

The movie industry would come to a screeching halt if there was to be no recycling what-so-ever. Not just the superhero genres.

[TexasRules]

The reasons this movie has made such headlines - and done so well - are cultural.
The film itself is a pretty by-the-numbers Marvel film, mechanically. I'm not entirely certain there's extensive argument against that.

The question asked is: Why are people impressed with it?

I'll ask a separate question: When's the last time you saw a Blockbuster film that culturally celebrated Black African culture while acknowledging it has been stolen and robbed from Blacks living in the US that came over during the slave trade?

If you can name that movie, I want you to then name one where White people didn't jump in and save the day for them.

The fact that Disney was ballsy enough to put that in a blockbuster, let alone a MARVEL movie, is astonishing.
That's what people are celebrating about this film.

-Lord of the Rings wasn't popular because it was a fantasy movie loaded with action.
-The Matrix wasn't popular because it was an action movie involving hacking.
-Black Panther isn't popular because it's a Marvel-shop superhero movie.

They all contain an element that defines them uniquely outside of the mechanical bones of the film.

If you don't understand that, there isn't much more to explain. It's the equivalent of describing color to a blind person.

Hate to burst your bubble a little but a white person did step in and help save the day. I was more impressed by the support for Get Out which is a far superior film. I understand a lot of things as a minority, I just don't understand why people need to read more into something then there actually needs to be. I believe that if you told some white people that the mining operation is a nod to the underground railroad, they would dislike the mixing of more politics in to a movie.