Bad-faith posters and how the forums are being increasingly tolerant of

[PosPosPos]

I refer to my previous posts in https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ff-topic/page3 :

Yeah, take for example:

"THIS IS NOT A SPAM FORUM! MODERATION WILL BE STRICT."

Directly from https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...**-PLEASE-READ

I am not sure how
1) taking weeks and months to ban some of the trolls in Gen-OT for about 3 days
2) merely closing threads that were clearly way out of line
3) or even blatantly leaving up threads that are created just to troll and mislead for 10+ pages

counts as strict moderation.

Some mods are strict, but from my experience only if you directly PM them. As to why this might be the case, I suspect the report system marks reports as "read" or outright removes the report as soon as a mod has read it. Which would mean reporting is hit-and-miss depending on who reads the reports first.

The political bullshit isn't the problem, it's the swarm of bad faith posters who get 3/7 day bans and come back to troll after the slap on the wrist vacation. Infraction durations don't last enough to make sure most of these bad faith posters stay banned without another big group of them coming back in ala revolving doors in a hotel.

Also from here: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ore-posting%29

"If your post/thread is in violation of these guidelines, action will be taken with or without prior warning. We reserve the right to evaluate each incident on a case by case basis. The action we take may be more lenient or more severe depending on the violation or prior history of violation(s)."

Although in reality, the revolving-doors bad faith posters usually just get a 5 point infraction after about ~100 posts of bullshit after they come back from their ban.

Let's not kid ourselves, forum trolling has always been perennial on MMOC(not going to name any names, yet), but at least they were always about things like marriage, gender, or cheerleaders with generous scoops of random petty personal attacks you could just roll your eyes and move on to the next thread for the next dose of same.

Not recently.

So the usual bad-faith posters, ones that either type 1) persistently getting banned and come back to...get banned again type 2) post on forbidden topics.....but do so in a very indirect or even "civil" manner, so they usually get passed on by the moderation team, decided that they should up the ante:

Death

From death threats(yeah, most of us OT posters should remember the so-and-so who threatened that-or-that to drop a nuke on his house), to blaming the deceased victims of terrorism or shootings that they are just "sacrifices" for some twisted cause.

Need an example? 14 pages of (type 1 bad-faith poster) and (type 2 bad-faith poster) circlejerking over how the dead victims deserving everything they had coming.

Not a single mod warning in sight, let alone an infraction that addresses this problem. And I can't imagine no one at all reported the thread.

So my point is:

Are the mods just going to let the toxicity escalate? Or will persistently errant posters get increasingly harsher penalties as per the initial direction the forums had(re:near the end of quote 2)?

P.S.

It really feels bad to use the report system, because it doesn't even tell you who actually read your report, if anyone read your report. PMing mods directly is the same thing, because it feels like you are bypassing and ignoring the intended tool(again, the report system) to the point where if one keeps doing it, it feels like harassment of mods.

[Super Kami Dende]

Considering the amount of Petty insults and straight up mislabeling of people I have seen you make consistently over the last few years. Isn't this a little hypocritical of you?

[Tiwack]

Afaik both posters are getting the appropriate responses they deserve with people attempting to correct their morals. You can report them and then ignore them and/or tell them off/correct them but why do you think playing a victim will help when you just give off the exact reaction "trolls" are looking for by being outraged. Mmo doesn't have paid mods so if you can't handle the expedience the bad are dealt with there are other alternatives to discussing divisive themes and topics than the platform of a popular videogame forum. How do you know they didn't get a timeout or talking to and why wouldn't you take this up with mods in PMs or report these guys instead of making a thread like this when you think there's a problem? Calling people out in bad-faith is also against the rules last time i checked but you don't seem to care about that do you? Some consider what you're doing toxic as well.. You don't fix the bad by banning them from discussion and if you got banned for this thread would it correct your behavior or make you dig in deeper? Word to the wisecrack: Stop the agenda and get above it. You're better and smarter than this. None are perfect.

[TheDestinatus]

Considering the amount of Petty insults and straight up mislabeling of people I have seen you make consistently over the last few years. Isn't this a little hypocritical of you?

The immense proportions of his ego suggest that this is in fact a message directed at himself.

[elaina]

I'm routinely amazed the same people keep getting banned and showing back up again.

That's not what the word banned means.

[Video Games]

Put them on ignore.

[TheDestinatus]

I'm routinely amazed the same people keep getting banned and showing back up again.

That's not what the word banned means.

It is what the term "temporary ban" means.

[PosPosPos]

Afaik both posters are getting the appropriate responses they deserve with people attempting to correct their morals.

Yeah, and when did it ever work?

You can report them and then ignore them and/or tell them off/correct them but why do you think playing a victim will help when you just give off the exact reaction "trolls" are looking for by being outraged.

Which is why forum bans and infractions exist; to remove trolls from the equation so people can discuss about the right topics in the right way.

Mmo doesn't have paid mods so if you can't handle the expedience the bad are dealt with there are other alternatives to discussing divisive themes and topics than the platform of a popular videogame forum.

Interesting strawman, because I am not targeting the "expedience" issue, but the issue of showing increasingly leniency to those mentioned bad-faith posters

How do you know they didn't get a timeout

I mean, if you used your eyes you can see if a poster is banned/infracted or not.

or talking to and why wouldn't you take this up with mods in PMs or report these guys instead of making a thread like this when you think there's a problem?

Because it doesn't solve the root problem. And PMing individual mods defeats the purpose of raising an issue with "in general" moderation, because every mod has a different way of moderating.

Calling people out in bad-faith is also against the rules last time i checked but you don't seem to care about that do you?

And why should I? If you confine yourself by the rules, and your opponents clearly don't, yet they get away with it, you only put yourself at a disadvantage.

Some consider what you're doing toxic as well..

I am sure.

You don't fix the bad by banning them from discussion and if you got banned for this thread would it correct your behavior or make you dig in deeper?

It's not about reforming posters. Most posters don't get "reformed" regardless of how many times they are corrected or banned, so the only solution that remains is to make sure they are either permanently banned, or are banned longer than they are not, so other constructive posters can engage in, well, constructive discussion.

Word to the wisecrack: Stop the agenda and get above it. You're better and smarter than this. None are perfect.

Irony at it's finest.

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Considering the amount of Petty insults and straight up mislabeling of people I have seen you make consistently over the last few years. Isn't this a little hypocritical of you?

The immense proportions of his ego suggest that this is in fact a message directed at himself.

If you find that appropriate labeling of your actions and ideology is insulting, you can opt to be a more upstanding individual instead of persisting in advocating for deplorable causes.

[TheDestinatus]

Yeah, and when did it ever work?



Which is why forum bans and infractions exist; to remove trolls from the equation so people can discuss about the right topics in the right way.



Interesting strawman, because I am not targeting the "expedience" issue, but the issue of showing increasingly leniency to those mentioned bad-faith posters



I mean, if you used your eyes you can see if a poster is banned/infracted or not.



Because it doesn't solve the root problem. And PMing individual mods defeats the purpose of raising an issue with "in general" moderation, because every mod has a different way of moderating.




And why should I? If you confine yourself by the rules, and your opponents clearly don't, yet they get away with it, you only put yourself at a disadvantage.





I am sure.




It's not about reforming posters. Most posters don't get "reformed" regardless of how many times they are corrected or banned, so the only solution that remains is to make sure they are either permanently banned, or are banned longer than they are not, so other constructive posters can engage in, well, constructive discussion.



Irony at it's finest.

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If you find that appropriate labeling of your actions and ideology is insulting, you can opt to be a more upstanding individual instead of persisting in advocating for deplorable causes.

It would be funny that you don't even vaguely perceive the irony of what you're talking about if it wasn't so pathetic. You are one of the major issues of this forum, you yourself end up banned repeatedly. The fact you think you're still in the right is just the icing on the stupid cake you're creating here.

[Usagi Senshi]

Put them on ignore and move on.

You're being just as bad using a thread to call out people and moderation issues.

[Stelio Kontos]

Yeah, I seriously doubt someone who calls everyone who disagrees with him "alt-right" is not a bad-faith poster themselves.

There are plenty of bad-faith posters. And you're one of them, p.o.s.

[PosPosPos]

It would be funny that you don't even vaguely perceive the irony of what you're talking about if it wasn't so pathetic. You are one of the major issues of this forum, you yourself end up banned repeatedly. The fact you think you're still in the right is just the icing on the stupid cake you're creating here.

Here's the difference: I get infracted for losing my temper and making personal attacks at people. And rightfully so.

Your ilk gets infracted for doing a combination of the above, and also pushing deplorable agendas like homophobia, immigrant hate, racism and sexual predation(this is just based on your post history, too).

At the very least, I can say I don't push agendas that are morally repulsive, so it's funny how you use me as the negative role model, and spin it such that your ilk don't deserve to be more strictly moderated on.

[Blamblam41]

Moderators on this website's gen OT subforum need to be more adamant about fake news threads and extremely cherry picked information within OP's, not to mention the just rampant toxicity among a myriad of phobias that would give a psychologist an erection. The revolving door to toxicity ends when MMOC's greed for their ad traffic stops driving their decisions.

[Tiwack]

It's not about reforming posters.

If that isn't the point of arguing and debating then..

You've become the monster and are more interested in your ego rather than fixing the problem.

You have the option to ignore specific posters. Start using it since you're more than aware what to expect from your repeat offenders. We all learn as we get older and the world will still survive the days you can't handle responding and reporting every stupid post you see. Moving on can feel good too and you shouldn't dump on yourself or others when simple incompetence can be easily mistaken for maliciousness.

It'd do you nicely to drop the virtue signaling but let the one who is clean cast the first stone

e We all can have a bad day you know? Internet is great for venting your frustrations but it'd be giant help to everyone if people were honest about their issues instead of choosing a hill to die on because they feel screwed and stressed out.

[Blamblam41]

If that isn't the point of arguing and debating then..

You've become the monster and are more interested in your ego rather than fixing the problem.

You have the option to ignore specific posters. Start using it since you're more than aware what to expect from your repeat offenders. We all learn as we get older and the world will still survive the days you can't handle responding and reporting every stupid post you see. Moving on can feel good too and you shouldn't dump on yourself or others when simple incompetence can be easily mistaken for maliciousness.

It'd do you nicely to drop the virtue signaling but let the one who is clean cast the first stone

Virtue signaling, a term used by someone who can't accept reality.

[WskyDK]

incoming lock.
If you have complaints about mods, take it to a Global mod (blue)

[taliey]

The best thing to combat bad faith posters is to get back at 'em.

They certainly don't care for you. There's no reason to hold back.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I don’t see a problem with the mods most of the extreme stuff seems to get infracted. Though geting infected for calling some one a moron is rather annoying :/

[Tiwack]

Virtue signaling, a term used by someone who can't accept reality.

Afaik using a term doesn't mean you subscribe to whatever it means?

Are you implying I used it wrong or are you trying to make a vague insult for no apparent reason?

[Nefarious Tea]

Considering the amount of Petty insults and straight up mislabeling of people I have seen you make consistently over the last few years. Isn't this a little hypocritical of you?

I can't decide if you're ignorant of or simply choosing to ignore the irony in your post.