Battle for Azeroth Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Friendlyimmolation]

Yeah man, and clearly the Light must be super evil and dangerous, because the Scarlet Crusade uses it and they are insane. It's almost like what people do with power is way more important than the source of the power.

You're arguing against lore here. "The void isn't bad, disregard the fact that Alleria is the only mortal so far not to go nuts."

Trying to bring up the light doesn't make you any less wrong with the void.

[Hitei]

That's not my point at all. We're talking about how the void elves betrayed silvermoon not after the fact. They are traitors that's just a fact

Except that they didn't, and were never any more of a threat to the city or the Blood Elves than the myriad of warlocks the Sindorei have are. If anything they were a benefit to Silvermoon because they would have had a group that understood the void and how to ward against any dangers using it.

You're arguing against lore here. "The void isn't bad, disregard the fact that Alleria is the only mortal so far not to go nuts."

Trying to bring up the light doesn't make you any less wrong with the void.

No, you just don't understand the lore, there are plenty of people who use the void constantly without issue. And no, it isn't bad. The Void is a natural force and part of the dichotomy of the universe. It is the death to the Light's life and the cold to it's heat and the night to its day and neither one can exist without the other. It is literally no different than the Red Dragons bringing death to create life. That is the whole point of the Void Elf quest lines, and Alleria's and a large portion of the Priest class campaign, and the entire plotline of the Cult of Forgotten shadow.

Just because you understand little about it and can't get past "W-well enemy mobs use the void and they are bad, so it must be!" doesn't mean that's actually how it works.

[rcshaggy]

It seems they're going by Mag'har now rather than just Orc. So probably the Mag'har Direwolf is from unlocking them.

Kinda really confusing...There is also Mag'har in Outland too...:/

[Friendlyimmolation]

No, you just don't understand the lore, there are plenty of people who use the void constantly without issue.

Blizzard has outright stated you are wrong. Irony is ignoring blizzard where at the same time trying to come off as knowledge about the very thing you're incorrect about.

And no, it isn't bad. The Void is a natural force and part of the dichotomy of the universe. It is the death to the Light's life and the cold to it's heat and the night to its day and neither one can exist without the other.

A malevolent hungering force that wants to eat everything in the universe is bad, the fact that it drives everyone bat shit who uses it (Except for Alleria) is more than enough proof.

That is the whole point of the Void Elf quest lines, and Alleria's and a large portion of the Priest class campaign, and the entire plotline of the Cult of Forgotten shadow.

Again, Blizzard outright said Alleria is the first mortal to not succumb to the void and even she says she will one day succumb to the whispers.

It outright says Alleria is the first mortal not to fall to the void's corruption on their promotion page, you can argue all you want, you'll still be wrong.

Just because you understand little about it and can't get past "W-well enemy mobs use the void and they are bad, so it must be!" doesn't mean that's actually how it works.

It's really hard to debate with someone who seems to gloat about their ignorance and headcanon. Your entire argument boils down to "I haven't actually read anything, but my opinion is fact."

[zito]

Except that they didn't, and were never any more of a threat to the city or the Blood Elves than the myriad of warlocks the Sindorei have are.

ok lets break this down one step at a time at why they are traitors

-Their ultimate goal was to provide silvermoon with better protection
-Umbric+ followers started researching the void, no known mortal at this time (alleria was still on argus) has successfully controlled the void
-They were demanded to stop and they refused so they were kicked out of silvermoon

Now what are the repercussions of them STAYING in silvermoon?

-They continue to study the void, but have no control over it
-Since alleria is part of the alliance she would have never met them if they didn't get kicked out
-If they stayed they would have opened a rift JUST LIKE ALLERIA DID, alleria is the only one who could close rifts
-silvermoon would have been invaded by the void and corrupted and everyone probably would have lost their minds

They ARE traitors, they refused to stop tampering with the void because the void and silvermoon CAN NOT MIX (as proved by alleria at the sunwell). The ONLY reason they kept their sanity was because Alleria went looking for them and saved them if it wasn't for that they would have lost their minds to the void like anyone else, but if they did that inside silvermoon the entire race was in jeopardy. They had to be removed, the void is literally cancer to the city

And then after all that they pledged their loyalty to the alliance, eventhough they originally started tampering with the void because they wanted to use it to protect silvermoon

literally traitors

[EbaumsTipster]

Is it just me or does the Kul Tiran heritage armor look.. really boring?

[tristannarutofan]

Kinda really confusing...There is also Mag'har in Outland too...:/

Maybe. Mag'har just means "uncorrupted".
It's as baseless a title as blood elf or kul tiran

8ts an unofficial designation. The problem 8s most gel orcs have just been called orcs till now. A mag'har is literally any orc that isn't green

[Shampro]

Is it just me or does the Kul Tiran heritage armor look.. really boring?

Wait, that's a thing? Where is it? That pretty much 100% confirms to be the Alliance equivalent to the Orcs in patch content, if there was any doubt.

[tristannarutofan]

Is it just me or does the Kul Tiran heritage armor look.. really boring?

It's your personal taste. I find the void elf one unspeakably gaudy.

I'm a HUGE fan of "realistic"cloths. It's fun to be brimming from head to toe in magic but I want other options too.

The rogue tier 21 us the most popular leather set by far

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

Kinda really confusing...There is also Mag'har in Outland too...:/

Yeah. Apparently Mag'har is actually Orcish for "Uncorrupted." Which is apparently just the umbrella term for non-Green/Red Orcs.

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Is it just me or does the Kul Tiran heritage armor look.. really boring?

I mean if their Heritage Armor includes a coat I'm going to be angry.

Because I wanted that on my Void Elf.

[rcshaggy]

Well there he is in his glory with his Royalists.

[Hitei]

Blizzard has outright stated you are wrong. Irony is ignoring blizzard where at the same time trying to come off as knowledge about the very thing you're incorrect about.

A malevolent hungering force that wants to eat everything in the universe is bad, the fact that it drives everyone bat shit who uses it (Except for Alleria) is more than enough proof.

Again, Blizzard outright said Alleria is the first mortal to not succumb to the void and even she says she will one day succumb to the whispers.

Unless Blizzard has also said that the Shadowmoon Clan, Arakkoa, Dark Iron Dwarves, Priests everywhere, Cult of Forgotten Shadow, and Locus Walker don't actually exist--No. One line in a blurb on the website does not somehow undo dozens of different, unrelated quest lines that make it abundantly clear the Void can be used perfectly safely.

Especially when Alleria herself was trained by someone using the Void perfectly fine, and the same fucking blurb also says she'll train plenty of other people to do the exact same thing.

A malevolent hungering force is the opposite of creation. It's no more evil than fucking gravity, which is a central part of what it is. Are black holes now evil? Not even remotely close to the energy that is fueled by killing and corrupting life, i.e. Fel magic, and destroys everything around it which the Blood Elves are perfectly fine with using.

ok lets break this down one step at a time at why they are traitors

-Their ultimate goal was to provide silvermoon with better protection
-Umbric+ followers started researching the void, no known mortal at this time (alleria was still on argus) has successfully controlled the void
-They were demanded to stop and they refused so they were kicked out of silvermoon

Now what are the repercussions of them STAYING in silvermoon?

-They continue to study the void, but have no control over it
-Since alleria is part of the alliance she would have never met them if they didn't get kicked out
-If they stayed they would have opened a rift JUST LIKE ALLERIA DID, alleria is the only one who could close rifts
-silvermoon would have been invaded by the void and corrupted and everyone probably would have lost their minds

They ARE traitors, they refused to stop tampering with the void because the void and silvermoon CAN NOT MIX (as proved by alleria at the sunwell). The ONLY reason they kept their sanity was because Alleria went looking for them and saved them if it wasn't for that they would have lost their minds to the void like anyone else, but if they did that inside silvermoon the entire race was in jeopardy. They had to be removed, the void is literally cancer to the city

And then after all that they pledged their loyalty to the alliance, eventhough they originally started tampering with the void because they wanted to use it to protect silvermoon

literally traitors

Okay, let's actually break this down:

-Their ultimate goal was provide SIlvermoon with better protection
-Umbric+ followers started researching the Void, which plenty of other groups that the Blood Elves have encountered before have used perfectly fine.
-Some officials who sat by while the Blood Elves shot up Fel Magic and turned a Naaru into a Void Naaru suddenly decide researching a magic to understand it is really bad

Now what are the repercussions of them staying?

-They continue to study the Void and figure out how to work with it, like the other people who have done so across multiple worlds.
-They wouldn't have needed Alleria because they wouldn't have had to scavenge scraps of knowledge out in the Ghostlands.
-If they had stayed, there wouldn't have been any problem with rifts unless one of them became fully void infused, i.e. understood the Void as well as Alleria, and then walked right up the Sunwell like she did (and wow, would you look at that, they would have known exactly how to handle it because of their knowledge)
-Silvermoon would have been cleansed of the Void that was already there ("Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below.")

Wow, would you look at that. A group of people who tried to help improve and defend Silvermoon City and would have made the faction stronger were instead kicked out.

"B-but they joined the Alliance who offered them help!! They are traitors!" You mean the exact same fucking thing that the Blood Elves did when the Forsaken helped them? I guess that makes the entire race traitors and the Void Elves the ones who stopped being traitors.

[Khain]

is there an allied race less exciting than draenor orcs?

[Sentynel]

is there an allied race less exciting than draenor orcs?

Highmountain tauren?

[zito]

Unless Blizzard has also said that the Shadowmoon Clan, Arakkoa, Dark Iron Dwarves, Priests everywhere, Cult of Forgotten Shadow, and Locus Walker don't actually exist--No. One line in a blurb on the website does not somehow undo dozens of different, unrelated quest lines that make it abundantly clear the Void can be used perfectly safely.

Especially when Alleria herself was trained by someone using the Void perfectly fine, and the same fucking blurb also says she'll train plenty of other people to do the exact same thing.

A malevolent hungering force is the opposite of creation. It's no more evil than fucking gravity, which is a central part of what it is. Are black holes now evil? Not even remotely close to the energy that is fueled by killing and corrupting life, i.e. Fel magic, and destroys everything around it which the Blood Elves are perfectly fine with using.



Okay, let's actually break this down:

-Their ultimate goal was provide SIlvermoon with better protection
-Umbric+ followers started researching the Void, which plenty of other groups that the Blood Elves have encountered before have used perfectly fine.
-Some officials who sat by while the Blood Elves shot up Fel Magic and turned a Naaru into a Void Naaru suddenly decide researching a magic to understand it is really bad

Now what are the repercussions of them staying?

-They continue to study the Void and figure out how to work with it, like the other people who have done so across multiple worlds.
-They wouldn't have needed Alleria because they wouldn't have had to scavenge scraps of knowledge out in the Ghostlands.
-If they had stayed, there wouldn't have been any problem with rifts unless one of them became fully void infused, i.e. understood the Void as well as Alleria, and then walked right up the Sunwell like she did (and wow, would you look at that, they would have known exactly how to handle it because of their knowledge)
-Silvermoon would have been cleansed of the Void that was already there ("Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below.")

Wow, would you look at that. A group of people who tried to help improve and defend Silvermoon City and would have made the faction stronger were instead kicked out.

"B-but they joined the Alliance who offered them help!! They are traitors!" You mean the exact same fucking thing that the Blood Elves did when the Forsaken helped them? I guess that makes the entire race traitors and the Void Elves the ones who stopped being traitors.

You're delusional. Alleria and her master are the only ones (prior to the void elves) in existence that know how to control the void. Everyone else lost it, EVERYONE. The void doesn't save people it makes them slaves, the arroka are slaves to the void now.

And secondly there was no OTHER group of people in silvermoon that successfully studied the void and survived. The last blood elf who studied the void betrayed silvermoon and let the lich king almost annihilate them.

You are seriously out of touch

[Hugnomo]

Wait, that's a thing? Where is it? That pretty much 100% confirms to be the Alliance equivalent to the Orcs in patch content, if there was any doubt.

The new icons seem to indicate kultiran heritage armor.





tenchars

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

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Well there he is in his glory with his Royalists.

>Yazma

There better be a lever joke in Zuldazar.

[rcshaggy]

>Yazma

There better be a lever joke in Zuldazar.

Probably a early appearance before she turns into the boss creature thing.

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[Friendlyimmolation]

Unless Blizzard has also said that the Shadowmoon Clan, Arakkoa, Dark Iron Dwarves, Priests everywhere, Cult of Forgotten Shadow, and Locus Walker don't actually exist--No. One line in a blurb on the website does not somehow undo dozens of different, unrelated quest lines that make it abundantly clear the Void can be used perfectly safely.

Especially when Alleria herself was trained by someone using the Void perfectly fine, and the same fucking blurb also says she'll train plenty of other people to do the exact same thing.

A malevolent hungering force is the opposite of creation. It's no more evil than fucking gravity, which is a central part of what it is. Are black holes now evil? Not even remotely close to the energy that is fueled by killing and corrupting life, i.e. Fel magic, and destroys everything around it which the Blood Elves are perfectly fine with using.

New lore always trumps old, your argument there is nothing. it does not matter that you personally can't handle everything being wiped away. Your opinion =/= canon and canon now says Alleria is the only single person.

Locus Walker isn't a mortal, There's a news flash for you.


Gravity isn't controlled by some spooky gravity lord that want's to undue all of creation, but thank you for such an awful attempt at comparison to real life.

As for blood elves the overwhelming majority had no idea about the fel anyways, judging by how desperately you keep clinging to the false assumption that fel is worse than the void, I assume you either did not know, or refuse to acknowledge that.

Fel energy corrupts things, the void consumes it utterly in the end, unless you're a certain Windrunner sister.

-Their ultimate goal was provide SIlvermoon with better protection
-Umbric+ followers started researching the Void, which plenty of other groups that the Blood Elves have encountered before have used perfectly fine.
-Some officials who sat by while the Blood Elves shot up Fel Magic and turned a Naaru into a Void Naaru suddenly decide researching a magic to understand it is really bad

Bolded is not true at all with current canon lore.

second bold is you completely trying to skirt the fact that no one mastered the void and that the void elves in the end would have been turned into monsters if not for Alleria, their research was doomed to fail from the beginning. Maybe this time it will sink in?

also I'll repeat this again for you since now I bet you had no idea. The average blood elf never siphoned fel energy.

Now what are the repercussions of them staying?

eventually failing like they did? Get turned into ethereals and attack the Sunwelll? corrupt the sunwell?

-Silvermoon would have been cleansed of the Void that was already there ("Its surface blazes bright, masking shadows below.")

now you're just trying to tie things together that were never confirmed.

Wow, would you look at that. A group of people who tried to help improve and defend Silvermoon City and would have made the faction stronger were instead kicked out.

Mostly because the Void is a dangerous magic that no one mastered, that corrupted the Sunwell before and threatened to corrupt again, researched by people who were extremely over confident and refused to listen to warnings?

"B-but they joined the Alliance who offered them help!! They are traitors!" You mean the exact same fucking thing that the Blood Elves did when the Forsaken helped them? I guess that makes the entire race traitors and the Void Elves the ones who stopped being traitors.

Lol, just lol. The blood elves approached the Alliance first, and the Alliance spied on them instead of helping them, the Forsaken actually helped them. Your comparison, like most of your argument, is truly awful however, because the blood elves werent trying to mess with powers they had no scope of.

Seriously, do you ever actually read, or play any of the game? Because your knowledge is at best, extremely lacking.

TLDR, you have an impressive amount of head canon and misinformation you keep spewing for whatever reason. Most people try to understand information, you seem to be gloating about your headcanon.

[Hitei]

You're delusional. Alleria and her master are the only ones (prior to the void elves) in existence that know how to control the void. Everyone else lost it, EVERYONE. The void doesn't save people it makes them slaves, the arroka are slaves to the void now.

And secondly there was no OTHER group of people in silvermoon that successfully studied the void and survived. The last blood elf who studied the void betrayed silvermoon and let the lich king almost annihilate them.

You are seriously out of touch

The MU Arakkoa are slaves to Sethe.
The AU Arakkoa used the Void to fight back against the high Arakkoa, and then joined forces with the remnants of that to help the Alliance and Horde fight the Legion and rebuild their society. Wow, the void sure is so dangerous and spooky and no one can ever use it.

It's not like the Nathrezim have been using shadow magic for literally eons, including siphoning it directly off Void-fallen worlds but still joined Sargeras' crusade to fight against the Void Lords. After all, that would require people to be able to use Void magic and not fall to it, which is impossible.

It's also not like the Apexis used both the Light and Void perfectly fine together without any problems. With the Void-Arcane faction being the good group, who wanted all knowledge to be shared equally instead of being horded by a handful.

You sure told me. I'll stay away from the Void now and stick to using Fel magic.