Warchief = leader of all the clans. Chieftain = leader of one clan. Grom was the chieftain of the Warsong clan in both timelines. Also Blackhand was warchief until near the end of WC1. Doomhammer was Warchief for all of WC2 and part of WC3. You need a redshirtguy fact checker. Guess that's me for now.
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Am I missing something? Everyone is freaking out that these are AU Orcs when the last few days on the front page has been Mag'Har data mined info.
The AU Draenor Orcs are not technically Mag'har. Mag'har means "uncorrupted". This was used for MU brown orcs who weren't corrupted by the Legion (they lived in Garadar). Things happened differently in the AU and Garadar doesn't even exist, and since most AU Orcs weren't Legion corrupted to begin with, it's not likely that they would use the Mag'har term there. I mean it's possible in an in spite of a nail sort of way but still.
Now to play devil's advocate. AU Grom was never really a "bad guy" in the conventional sense. The story wasn't told very well, I'll give it that - there were chapters missing from it since WOD was cancelled about 1/3 of the way through. He was misled, and manipulated. Garrosh showed up there, and showed him "evidence", backed up by one of his shaman, that Azeroth was a Legion world and that we were coming to enslave them. He manipulated this by showing Legion activity on Azeroth from the Vision of Time, but killing the shaman before he could show Grom the part where Thrall freed the Orcs. What would you expect Grom to do when we showed up? The Draenei look just like the Eredar of the Legion (which Grom also saw from the Vision of Time), so it makes sense that he would be very distrustful of them too. I mean, yes, that was all wrong, but how was Grom supposed to know that? All he wanted was to prevent his people from being slaves, and while his methods were wrong, he acted on the only information he had.
To be honest he had Tanaan, most of Nagrand, and a bit of Frostfire thanks to the Thunderlord Clan. His attacks into Frostfire and Shadowmoon were routed, and as soon as he conquered Shattrath the Shadow Council attacked and kicked him out. Despite being the primary villain he actually had very little coverage of the land. Unlike in BC and Wrath where you could hardly move 10 steps without running into Illidari/Legion/Scourge.
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Not sure how that would work. Saurfang gained notoriety by being a veteran of the First, Second, and Third Wars. Which didn't happen yet in the AU world. It would be like throwing around the name of a famous general who served in both WWI and WWII... in 1910.
The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.
tbh you are headcanoning with the draenei look like eredar thing pretty badly. no one ever mentioned anything about that. even so its not really an acceptable reason for him to then take them and march them into engines that used their souls as fuel to power a gigantic portal to another world which he intended to take over and murder all non-orcs present on. i mean you can say he was "misled" into doing that but uhhhhhhhhhh he still kinda did it and unless we hold orcs to some weird standards where we just dont expect them to have any sense of right or wrong whatsoever hes still to blame for it.
i appreciate that you know wod's story is indefensible trash but its really best not even to try as an experiment.
we have to go with the awful story we got which is why this is such a bad idea.
These Orcs coming in BFA aren't Outland Orcs, lol.
Silly/Joke line from the female counterpart:
Hey... aren't you the one who left that abandoned garrison littering up Frostfire?
They're WoD Draenor Orcs, likely Orcs from all the splintered clans. Which will very likely include Warsong Orcs among the other clans such as Frostwolf, Blackrock, Shadowmoon etc. That "Warchief Grom" line is likely in due part to some of the Orcs in this allied race being apart of the Warsong Clan and who leads the Warsong Clan? Grom.
As per my last comment, I suspect the Allied race will contain all of the Clans from Draenor, Warsong Clan was led by Grom, which is probably why one of the jokes has Grom mentioned as Warchief because he leads the Warsong. I suspect that line will probably be removed to make it seem less like your Orc is Warsong and more open to interpretation.
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I stopped reading right there. I fully support any Horde leader (past or present) that supports this! BTW it would be a slap in the face if the Alliance got an Orc race or the Horde got High Elves. Anything other than that is just game play. Oh man how I hope Horde gets High Elves though because there would be so many salty Alliance QQ'ing about it...excuse me while I go clean myself up a bit.
Considering he butchered every warlock in Orgrimmar prior to the raid, I'd say he has quite a bit of a problem with green orcs. It would make sense that if a brown orc went around painting himself green and going 'woo look at me' that Garrosh would beat his ass. It would be like if 90% of mankind came down with leprosy, for instance, and a healthy guy paints bruises on himself. Very not cool.
The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.
Can't we get Durotan or someone else instead?
Why is Grom even still alive?!
The most difficult thing to do is accept that there is nothing wrong with things you don't like and accept that people can like things you don't.
The new data mined /joke lines for the Mag'har.
http://www.wowhead.com/news=282150/m...kes-and-flirts
"DRAENOR IS FREEEE"
But you were the one trying to murder and enslave all the Draenei and orcs who wouldn't go omnicide a bunch of other worlds, why do you get to say it's free, weird fake Grom?
Twas brillig
Female /joke calls him Warchief.
"I dyed my hair green once. Warchief Hellscream was NOT amused."
Also stuff like this to show they are from Draenor.
"Drahnor. Draynor? Draanur. Draenor. <Sigh>. I'm just gonna say I'm from Outland."
"Hey... aren't you the one who left that abandoned garrison littering up Frostfire?"
"Enough of this wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... BLAH! Just let me smash stuff!"
I'm going to guess Hellscream united the clans after we left and gave them the name Mag'har, which means uncorrupted in orcish.
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Lol both Grom's did the same thing in different fashions.
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Completely agree. This options for skins kind of proves it: http://www.wowhead.com/news=282155/m...zation-options
You'll be able to pick a skin for which clan you want to be from, even though its now known as the mag'har.
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The Outland Mag'har was also made up of various clans who stuck them in Nagrand to avoid the red pox.
We have already seen Frostwolf, Bleeding Hollow, Warsong, and Blackrock Orcs among their numbers, and they could easily add any others they felt like. The only reason they were brown-only in game was because BC was like 10 years ago back when tattoos weren't customization options, they were literally shirts NPCs could only wear.