Inside the intellectual dark web

[Katchii]

I have two gripes with the so-called "intellectual dark web." For one, it's a stupid name, and two because it involves Dave Ruben. I've never seen anyone get away with providing next to nothing on his own content. To make matters worse, he constantly shits up his interviews by interrupting someones line of thought to clarify that he's just concerned with ideas, and how he's liberal with an identity crisis. Dude, we fucking get it; shut the fuck up already.

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The dark web phenomenon wouldn't have gotten off the ground if these people weren't barked off of campus by overgrown, racist children. Bret Weinstein is about as far from an alt-right ethno-nationalist that you can get, but that didn't stop the gender study cranks at Evergreen from chasing him off campus with baseball bats when he refused to stay home for "no white people on campus day." This isn't a left vs right issue, or a right-wing conspiracy. This is a problem that affects genuine left-leaning people, like Weinstein, too.

I'm not sure what in my post you're commenting on.

That said, correct me if I'm wrong, it looks like it might be the "traditional academic path" portion, which I was simply referring mainly to peer review.

I'll agree and disagree with you and @Connal on the colleges being bad anymore. There are obviously bad ones out there that let the shit that happened at Evergreen actually happen, but there are also good ones too that don't put up with that.

[downnola]

I'm not sure what in my post you're commenting on.

That said, correct me if I'm wrong, it looks like it might be the "traditional academic path" portion, which I was simply referring mainly to peer review.

I'll agree and disagree with you and @Connal on the colleges being bad anymore. There are obviously bad ones out there that let the shit that happened at Evergreen actually happen, but there are also good ones too that don't put up with that.

Yes, I was mostly referring to the second part. My point is that they're not academics who are shunned by the peer review process. The problem is mostly political and bureaucratic.

[Katchii]

Yes, I was mostly referring to the second part. My point is that they're not academics who are shunned by the peer review process. The problem is mostly political and bureaucratic.

Understood. Thanks for the clarification. I do see that it's mostly political or social ideologies that shunned.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Yes a place where flat earthers and 9/11 conspiracy theorist don’t have to be told what to think. Where BS artist can thrive unmolested by logic or reason.

[PC2]

I don't think the issue should be about academics but rather where intellectuals in general appear in the media. There's some okay organizations like Intelligence Squared and TED Talks but the most growth could be in the "dark web" of podcasts and YouTube channels. Not because the mainstream media is inherently bad, but because large organizations tend to be public companies which prefer a smaller Overton window.

[downnola]

You're saying Jordan Peterson is just some crazy asshole? Lol

I don't think Peterson, or either of the Weinstien brothers fit Didactic's description there. However, Stephan Molyneux, Candance Owens, Sargon, and Milo do.

[Varitok]

Conservatives do need their safe spaces afterall

[PC2]

Conservatives do need their safe spaces afterall

How is the dark web imposing a safe space? A conservative being on YouTube is no more or less a safe space than The Young Turks being there as well.

[Doctor Amadeus]

How is the dark web imposing a safe space? A conservative being on YouTube is no more or less a safe space than The Young Turks being there as well.

Easy it’s an echo chamber of populist idiots willing to say the most inane nonsense because anybody else with a brain or self respect for themselves wouldn’t. At least not for the amount most of those you mentioned sell themselves.

Who are about as underground and dark as talk radio in the 80’s. It’s the same spew different medium.

[PC2]

Easy it’s an echo chamber of populist idiots willing to say the most inane nonsense because anybody else with a brain or self respect for themselves wouldn’t. At least not for the amount most of those you mentioned sell themselves.

Who are about as underground and dark as talk radio in the 80’s. It’s the same spew different medium.

I have no problem inserting opposing viewpoints into echo chambers. Realistically speaking it can't be forced into pre-recorded content, if I wanted to call out The Young Turks echo chamber then I would have to do so in the comment section.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I have no problem inserting opposing viewpoints into echo chambers. Realistically speaking it can't be forced into pre-recorded content, if I wanted to call out The Young Turks echo chamber then I would have to do so in the comment section.

I have a problem with inserting stupidity as though it were rational thought for the lulz. Young Turdz is just as pathetic as any of the others.

[Deleted]

As an actual academic doing actual academic things: If you need a dark web it's because your ideas are garbage, and chances are so are you. I consistently write things that gleefully contradict several of the old guard in my field, and I consistently pass peer review because everybody loves new data almost as much as they love papers proving people wrong. If you can't pass peer review it's because your ideas suck, not because of some conspiracy of silence.

And what is your field then? There are different academic fields, and some are more politicized than others. Hard natural sciences tend to be less politicized, because you can't lie there - and if you try, you will inevitably get caught, because the laws of nature don't give two shits about your political agenda.

Political and human sciences, however, are another thing entirely, because too many things there are open to interpretation - and as such provide endless opportunities for immoral liars only interested about corrupting the sciences to serve their rotten political agendas. It's no secret that most fields dealing with things like feminism, race, or multiculturalism have been taken over by crazy far-left stalinazis who are constantly trying to suppress any opposing views - even with threats of physical violence.

And if your views can't tolerate open criticism, there's a good chance that you and your ideas are the garbage.

[Doctor Amadeus]

And what is your field then? There are different academic fields, and some are more politicized than others. Hard natural sciences tend to be less politicized, because you can't lie there - and if you try, you will inevitably get caught, because the laws of nature don't give two shits about your political agenda.

Political and human sciences, however, are another thing entirely, because too many things there are open to interpretation - and as such provide endless opportunities for immoral liars only interested about corrupting the sciences to serve their rotten political agendas. It's no secret that most fields dealing with things like feminism, race, or multiculturalism have been taken over by crazy far-left stalinazis who are constantly trying to suppress any opposing views - even with threats of physical violence.

And if your views can't tolerate open criticism, there's a good chance that you and your ideas are the garbage.

An opinion that rape should be allowed because it’s natural in the Wild isn’t an opinion or idea that needs to be shared. It’s stupidity and I don’t care what research some lunatic is going to provide that well the victims secretly like it.

Because honestly that is about the equivalent of the Alt-right white Supremacist Neo Nazis and the like and those who are weak minded to fall for their nonsense views on race and sex.

[PC2]

An opinion that rape should be allowed because it’s natural in the Wild isn’t an opinion or idea that needs to be shared. It’s stupidity and I don’t care what research some lunatic is going to provide that well the victims secretly like it.

Because honestly that is about the equivalent of the Alt-right white Supremacist Neo Nazis and the like and those who are weak minded to fall for their nonsense views on race and sex.

What's your point? You don't have any authority to control what opinions and ideas need to be shared.

[Doctor Amadeus]

What's your point? You don't have any authority to control what opinions and ideas need to be shared.

No I don’t but when people gather and protest against hate speech and the kinds of mindless stupidity that comes from these sources I don’t see them as being the problem. This isn’t a agree to disagree these idiots who spout this nonsense are wrong and good people shouldn’t be taxed to explain to people who choose to believe BS or simply troll to waste other people’s time resources and minds.

[PC2]

No I don’t but when people gather and protest against hate speech and the kinds of mindless stupidity that comes from these sources I don’t see them as being the problem. This isn’t a agree to disagree these idiots who spout this nonsense are wrong and good people shouldn’t be taxed to explain to people who choose to believe BS or simply troll to waste other people’s time resources and minds.

You can protest all you want, but that will never stop hate speech because protesting only applies to public property. And because the 1A protects free expression, which means you don't have a right to not be offended by speech you find hateful.

[Torto]

There are a lot of Peterson videos on Youtube right now but this is one of my favourites. He is having a fascinating conversation with two fellow professors and one at 4:33 says he read a paper that states mathematics is whiteness. The look of bewilderment is priceless," I didn't know mathematics could have a race".

[Garnier Fructis]

There are a lot of Peterson videos on Youtube right now but this is one of my favourites. He is having a fascinating conversation with two fellow professors and one at 4:33 says he read a paper that states mathematics is whiteness. The look of bewilderment is priceless," I didn't know mathematics could have a race".

The paper in question is garbage, but Peterson's also guilty of mangling mathematics to make strange arguments.

[Doctor Amadeus]

You can protest all you want, but that will never stop hate speech because protesting only applies to public property. And because the 1A protects free expression, which means you don't have a right to not be offended by speech you find hateful.

Again you missed the point your need to be heard doesn’t superseded others wanting to hear it. Hate speech is a loser and it can be defeated stupidity on the other hand can’t which is why we have the problem. That and this entitlement to other people’s time or minds.

[Torto]

The paper in question is garbage, but Peterson's also guilty of mangling mathematics to make strange arguments.

True, but the point that evidence is being left open to interpretation based of social justice factors is alarming. The cultural studies textbook that states:"Objectivity as found through rational thought, is a Western and masculine concept that we will challenge throughout this text". I mean, you have to admit that this is concerning and as Peterson says it's creeping into other areas like business studies and biology.

If we are going to measure scientific or empirical evidence based on the social standards of the time, we might as well give up now and go back to the Dark Ages.