Which is fine. If you want to make the argument that we should respect another country's culture then fine. Have that argument.
But what is going on is this weird admission that all the evidence that points to homophobia in Russia is true while simulaneously flailing around trying to deflect (but never deny) from that fact into prison culture, the environment you are raised in as genetics, and there was a thing in the US one time so it's all the same.
You mean applying Article 282 to attackers? Well, it is a possibility; such attacks are too rare to see it in practice though, plus not many would sufficiently trust judicial system in such case.
Or, alternatively, you're simply teaching them to suppress perfectly natural disgust responses for straight men.Newsflash -- children gaining bigoted views form their parents doesn't make it genetic. I can't believe you even tried that.
Switching oppression from one group to another, though perhaps milder; perhaps we're simply more free to express our reaction in Russia.
Why exactly do you think it is irrelevant? By estimates up to 18-19% of Russians might have some kind of criminal conviction through their lifetime, even more have some as relatives or family members; that is a lot more significant then percentage of gay people (which is generally considered to be around 2-5%).Irrelevant and frankly really weird that you even brought it up.
So you claim that Russians think gays should be rounded into re-education camps, and think torture (and occasional death) is perfectly fine to change their ways? On basis that 83% consider homosexuality disgusting?I showed that Russian views are pervasively homophobic so your whole "that's just Chechen" is a lie.
Seriously?
Because that is Chechen position on issue - they claim (even their local Human Rights defender, clashing with authorities all the time!) that literally no gays exist in their republic, and that they are going to keep it that way.
That would imply that it is literally impossible to change such views, despite all evidence of them being wrong.Why would that be a surprise? Anti vaccination views stem from extreme ignorance on the subject -- which would also exist when they were first introduced.
Which doesn't bode well for general homosexuality acceptance.
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They can as by-product of marriage being defined as something between man and woman and only having lower age limit in law.
That doesn't change primary goal, however; any changes to law(s) would need to have primary goal in mind when deciding if change is or isn't warranted.
Btw, current highest age of childbirth is 72 from mother side; plenty of men do not lose fertility at all.
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I think you are unwilling to consider paths other cultures take in process of societal improvement, and thinking your current particular way is best while ignoring all efforts that got you there.
I have nothing against gay marriage; i have doubts that gay marriage should take priority as an issue and skip all the steps such acceptance required before it became first sufficiently accepted as idea, and then legal in West.
The only way it could happen fast "enough" for what you seem to want is through basically dictatorial decree; and that would change nothing as far as gay beatings go.
Probably because there are more gay people in Russia than black people.
And you're really burying the lede, here. I'd call it whataboutism, but I think even whataboutism would be embarrased by it.
"Well sure the video is homophobic, but isn't your media just hypocritical for not ALSO talking about how it portrays black people in a poor manner? Boy your media is the worst. What were we talking about, again?"
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Words to live by.
That is a "general you", right?
Because I did not make enough posts in this thread for you to have anymore than guesswork for you to make these claims about my supposed stance on this.
You on the other hand demonstrated your state of mind regarding this in several posts. It's quite telling.
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We aren't replying for his benefit.
I do not think any here labour under the delusion that he might change what views he expresses here because of post we make anytime soon.
You should see actual homophobic stuff... this one is actually TV-friendly, almost affectionate. But sure, it stereotypes them as something average man doesn't want to see in their flat (woman doesn't mind him though).
Western media have been "championing rights of gays" for a while. Just another imperialistic ploy creating "persecuted group" to legitimize their interventions/sanctions.
Go to Saudis over it to not look hypocritical; at least in Russia being homosexual is actually legal.
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Okay, do you want to state your personal stance then, or do you want to keep it ambiguous to dodge any criticism?
How would you approach changing Russia to accept homosexuality and same sex marriage? Clearly telling "you're wrong, stop it!" isn't working.