Does anyone like Turalyon?

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Well i'm done with this thread.

People bitch about Turalyon being boring standard paladin.

They okay with Saurfang who also boring standard warrior.

Or Illidan who just you know standard boring edge lord.

Illidan is one of the best characters in the game. Saurfang is a good character but he's doing weird stuff in BFA even going as far as deliberately losing bases because "honor" and forcing culture on his superior and somehow if she doesn't follow that culture she's going to get killed by the Horde and Alliance.
Turalyon is as interesting as paint drying on the wall. When he was about to kill Illidan he was easily persuaded by Velen in the matter of five seconds which broke his character. He did nothing in Argus really that made him flavorful or vengeful, character broken again. In Antorus he asks champions to bring down the boss instead of fighting with us like the character he is, character shattered. He's also a Human leading Draenei. WTF?? Even if the LF leader died another Draenei would take his place not a fuckin' Human.

[Theoris]

How exactly did she atoned? Beacuse she said so?

Because Velen gave them the opportunity, and they took it. Don't pretend you didn't read the rest of that sentence.

I remember Daelin's words:

Can your blood atone for genocide, orc? Your Horde killed countless innocents with its rampage across Stormwind and Lordaeron. Do you really think you can just sweep all that away and cast aside your guilt so easily? No, your kind will never change, and I will never stop fighting you.

Its not the same but close to.

It's not the same because Daelin said that to Thrall about the orcs' actions in the First and Second War, not Liadrin and the blood elves.

Turalyon can easily take reigns of Silver Hand. Because he was one of its founders. Right of succession. Uther/Tirion/Gavindar are dead.

Yes, that's called usurpation of authority. Tirion himself passed the mantle of Highlord onto someone else, Turalyon doesn't get to take that away.

It would be an interesting arc to explore, though. I'll say that.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Hilarious how people judge character who had slightly more than zero screen time and character development in one patch duration...

Ever heard of an interview or audition? You make a first impression. Turalyon failed on every category.

[Theoris]

Although the possibility of Turaylon getting dunked on by Liadrin is pleasing to say the least.

If zealot Turalyon remains a thing it will probably be Anduin who smacks sense into him (because of course). It'd be interesting if someone he thinks of as a villainous pretender is the one to do it, though.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Turalyon has no charisma. He has no flavor. He has no sex appeal. He has no goal. He looks generic, Paladin with light skin, blond hair, and a soft voice in golden-yellow armor wielding a weapon that glows.

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He has no sex appeal.

Ah, yes. The most important trait of a character.

I agree tho. Genn, Nathanos, Anduin, Tyrande, Sylvanas, Alleria, Lor'themar: All hot.

Turalyon and Illidan: Mans not hot

[Friendlyimmolation]

I mean atoning for something its helping to those you harmed. I didn't saw it.

uh, she defended Tirion's tomb, her blood knights helped fight the legion, the blood elves harmed the Draenei alot more than the humans, and they helped them a ton. You have to be willfully ignorant to not think the blood knights have atoned.

of course in BFA they will be fighting Turalyon, but he's Alliance.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Ah, yes. The most important trait of a character.

I agree tho. Anduin, Sylvanas, Alleria, Lor'themar: All hot.

Tyrande, Genn, Nathanos, Turalyon and Illidan: Mans not hot

fixed that for you. there are barely any attractive males in this game because the playerbase thinks its fair to drool over females in plate-bikinis but not for their opposite side to get some male eye-candy as well. When this is brought up people point out stupid shit like Garrosh, Illidan and even going as far to pointing another game like Overwatch because they're trolling or don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

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fixed that for you. there are barely any attractive males in this game because the playerbase thinks its fair to drool over females in plate-bikinis but not for their opposite side to get some male eye-candy as well. When this is brought up people point out stupid shit like Garrosh, Illidan and even going as far to pointing another game like Overwatch because they're trolling or don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

it's insecurity. Seeing attractive buff guys in game reminds them of what they personally have to work on.

[Alixie]

She atoned for them at the end of the Burning Crusade. Velen gave the Blood Knights the chance to redeem themselves, and they have.

Lidrian's crimes were never brought up, neither did she admit to any of them. She and her edgelords was easily forgiven because Velen, Adal and Muruu decided that purifying the Sunwell and saving the Blood Elves was worth any evil paths they took. They rehashed that shit with Yrel and Grom in Warlords. The good guys have to ignore and forgive murder and enslavement for "the greater good". At least the Draenai in The Aldor were vocal about not wanting the blood elves that were killing them allowed in Shattrath just because their leader decided to skip accountability and spoke to the manager.

Considering he has been told the story from the second-hand perspective of a high elf supremacist, there's no wonder he calls Liadrin a "twisted, villainous" paladin.

You mean Lidrian, who was telling lies to Thalyssra to convince her to join the horde? All of those villainous things she did in order to start the Blood Knights is true. It happened and she never personally atoned for them. People and beings with higher powers let her slide.

Turalyon has no right to usurp leadership of the Silver Hand just because it was founded by humans (I like the idea of turning him into a close-minded zealot and continue the "Light isn't always good" thing Blizzard introduced with Argus, though).

Like how some have pointed out, a demon forcing sacrifice and destiny on others is portrayed as good, but a naruu doing the same is somehow evil.

I hope he purges out the cows and blood elves from the Silver Hand. They can go start their own order hall instead of squatting in the one the Alliance created. Lidrian is clearly a liability as she is strongly devoted to the horde, enough to sabotage relations. He has as stronger claim to lead of the Silver Hand, after whoever they decide to cannon the Highlord.

In fact, he can kick Velen out for taking one too many queues from Illidan. Velen can speak for all Draenai when it comes to murder and enslavement, except when it comes to his own family, then he's dishing out vengeance like a murdery Batman.

[Broken Fox]

Lidrian's crimes were never brought up, neither did she admit to any of them. She and her edgelords was easily forgiven because Velen, Adal and Muruu decided that purifying the Sunwell and saving the Blood Elves was worth any evil paths they took. They rehashed that shit with Yrel and Grom in Warlords. The good guys have to ignore and forgive murder and enslavement for "the greater good". At least the Draenai in The Aldor were vocal about not wanting the blood elves that were killing them allowed in Shattrath just because their leader decided to skip accountability and spoke to the manager.



You mean Lidrian, who was telling lies to Thalyssra to convince her to join the horde? All of those villainous things she did in order to start the Blood Knights is true. It happened and she never personally atoned for them. People and beings with higher powers let her slide.



Like how some have pointed out, a demon forcing sacrifice and destiny on others is portrayed as good, but a naruu doing the same is somehow evil.

I hope he purges out the cows and blood elves from the Silver Hand. They can go start their own order hall instead of squatting in the one the Alliance created. Lidrian is clearly a liability as she is strongly devoted to the horde, enough to sabotage relations. He has as stronger claim to lead of the Silver Hand, after whoever they decide to cannon the Highlord.

In fact, he can kick Velen out for taking one too many queues from Illidan. Velen can speak for all Draenai when it comes to murder and enslavement, except when it comes to his own family, then he's dishing out vengeance like a murdery Batman.

Imagine being a fanboy for a dweeby stale bread character like Turalyon. I hope Liadrin smashes his head in at Stromgarde.

[cparle87]

Retconned in Chronicles.

Turalyon gave a speech so grand and amazing that it caused the bickering leaders of humanity to ally up when they didnt want to.

I am not exaggerating. Stuff like this happens a few time. Turalyon pretty much sidelines Lothar in Chronicles.

I really need to get those books. I'm apparently missing quite a bit just reading the forums and wowpedia.

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I think what made him interesting was simply not really knowing what was going on with him all that well. Once that is all out in the open to everyone he will just be another talking head that is super powerful but stands around while we do stuff.

This, very much this. Entities, both for good and evil, are always cooler when we don't see them. Take all the monster movies. The monsters are always cooler when all we see is a shadow or a claw reaching out from the darkness. The great hero is always grander when all we know is his deeds and can project our own ideas on him.

[Theoris]

Lidrian's crimes were never brought up, neither did she admit to any of them. She and her edgelords were easily forgiven because Velen, A'dal and M'uru decided that purifying the Sunwell and saving the Blood Elves was worth any evil paths they took.

They were, at the end of the Sunwell Plateau raid. A'dal gave them a chance because they were mislead and manipulated into believing they were the 'true masters' of the Light and superior to everyone else, and when they were proven wrong they were immediately repentant. Since then they've done more than enough to show they are trying to make amends.

Seriously, why is someone who admits they dun fucked up and decides to seek redemption for it so out of the question for you people?

The good guys have to ignore and forgive murder and enslavement for "the greater good". At least the draenei in the Aldor were vocal about not wanting the blood elves that were killing them allowed in Shattrath just because their leader decided to skip accountability and spoke to the manager.

They don't "have to" forgive them, though. Anger for someone who has wronged you is justified, but if they genuinely try to atone for it they should be given the chance. Whether the wronged party forgives them or not is irrelevant as long as they actually learn and change for the better.

You mean Lidrian, who was telling lies to Thalyssra to convince her to join the horde?

Thalyssra joined the Horde because the blood elves made a better ally than the night elves. There's really nothing more to it than that.

All of those villainous things she did in order to start the Blood Knights is true. It happened and she never personally atoned for them. People and beings with higher powers let her slide.

Yet she still sought atonement for it when she realized her actions were wrong, and didn't want to have it just be A'dal and Velen giving them a thumb up and a "You're good". Weird that.

Like how some have pointed out, a demon forcing sacrifice and destiny on others is portrayed as good, but a naruu doing the same is somehow evil.

The main difference here is Illidan doesn't pretend that his actions are good and ethical, unlike Xe'ra: he doesn't care what he has to do as long as it helps end the Burning Legion and save Azeroth.

I hope he purges out the cows and blood elves from the Silver Hand. They can go start their own order hall instead of squatting in the one the Alliance created.He has as stronger claim to lead of the Silver Hand, after whoever they decide to cannon the Highlord.

So shatter the unity between the members of the Silver Hand because Alliance supremacy? Sure, I'd be down for that. Would actually make the current storyline of BfA seem less black and white (Grand Marshal High Exarch Garithoralyon ftw).

Lidrian is clearly a liability as she is strongly devoted to the horde, enough to sabotage relations.

When? How? Who? The tenuous relationship between the nightborne and Tyrande that neither had any wish to indulge in?

In fact, he can kick Velen out for taking one too many queues from Illidan.

Velen deciding not to let the Light and the naaru dictate his every action isn't a bad thing.

Velen can speak for all draenei when it comes to murder and enslavement, except when it comes to his own family, then he's dishing out vengeance like a murdery Batman.

Yes, that's called character development. After the death of his son (who didn't regenerate in the Twisting Nether like every other demon, for some reason) he realized he was done with being a passive pawn - and what it had cost him and his people - and decided he'd take control of his own destiny.
Again, why is that thought so out of the question?

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"Hmm, what alliance character are we gonna hate on today? Anduin? Jaina? Genn? Nah, lets hate on the guy that just came back after fighting a millennia with space goats.
Also, Sylvanas did nothing wroaaaaang!!"

Turalyon remaining Alliance isn't the issue, nor the topic. Can you guys quit making this straw man argument and stop trying to derail the thread into another pointless discussion about "Horde vs Alliance"?

[spleen1015]

Alleria does.

[Alixie]

Imagine being a fanboy for a dweeby stale bread character like Turalyon. I hope Liadrin smashes his head in at Stromgarde.

Imagine when your argument is "no u".

Lidrian murdering Turalyon would be in character as the twisted and villainous paladin that she is.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Imagine when your argument is "no u".

Lidrian murdering Turalyon would be in character as the twisted and villainous paladin that she is.

Yea, she's so evil that she actually defended Tirion's body and lent the Blood knight's strength to the Silverhand AND went to argus to fight the legion. What a despicable elf!!1

[Raetary]

of course not.

he literally is just holy handsome human holy warrior of holy justice and love #214532523435324225324324
just absolutely boring character.

[Toppy]

"Hmm, what alliance character are we gonna hate on today? Anduin? Jaina? Genn? Nah, lets hate on the guy that just came back after fighting a millennia with space goats.
Also, Sylvanas did nothing wroaaaaang!!"

Pointing out the flaws of a character on one side does not mean supporting the other side.

For instance I think its horrible that we cant get any decent Trolls characters and that I'm sick and tired of the Forsaken being so god damned 1 dimensional evil.

[Wildberry]

He's a 1-dimensional Draeneiboo that spent a thousand year fighting the Legion because "rule of cool." He's absolute trash, and it's sad because he actually had some potential. Blizzard just squandered it entirely.

[Deleted]

Sometimes (well most of the times) I really wish Blizzard would put more effort into story and character development. They've turned so many great characters into generic, bland ones and Turalyon is one of those. They did something similar with Tyrael, Thrall and many, many others.

It's like they made all these awesome characters in the past and now they're just ruining them one after another.