Things Booed at CPAC

[Captain N]

Well now I can see why Theo defends Project Veritas -- she does the whole selective editing thing herself. What a dishonest piece of garbage.

[Togashii]

Well now I can see why Theo defends Project Veritas -- she does the whole selective editing thing herself. What a dishonest piece of garbage.

Deplorables gonna deplore.

[Theodarzna]

Deplorables gonna deplore.

So the video is CGI?

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I'd like to know what extra context can be added to what that guy said in that video that makes what he said alright? Especially to the point that you can call someone a dishonest piece of garbage.

Indeed, I too would be thoroughly enchanted to know what context this is. Because right now it looks kinda bad yeah know?

[Captain N]

I'd like to know what extra context can be added to what that guy said in that video that makes what he said alright? Especially to the point that you can call someone a dishonest piece of garbage.

You mean when it was originally claimed that he was speaking on behalf of the DNC and not as an individual and that his apology for the bad joke was omitted to push a narrative.

I know you support pedophiles and spousal abusers based on your post history so I'm not really surprised you're white knighting another scum bag.

[Lenonis]

The right better be really careful about deciding that one person speaks for the whole party.

Cause if you want to open that particular box I got a bakers dozen of folks I'd like you to address.

You can start with the actual Nazi that is the GOP candidate in Illinois.

[Captain N]

It's a ridiculous stretch to call that just a "bad joke" and the apology is irrelevant to the fact that it happened and the audience in attendance was laughing at it with no qualms. I don't care what capacity he was speaking as. This is certainly not a case of "missing context" as you would have people believe.

Also, you should reconsider your continuous name-calling and flaming in your posts, lest you desire a well-deserved infraction for it.

It was a tasteless joke and apologizing after being called out for it is where you let it die.

And yes it does mean a whole lot as to what he was speaking as since Theo tried to claim it was the entire DNC who was making fun of suicide rates when it reality it was one person who made a rather poor attempt at humor.

Maybe you should not have said the things you did in the past else I wouldn't have to bring up your long-standing history of defending terrible people.

[Theodarzna]

It's a ridiculous stretch to call that just a "bad joke" and the apology is irrelevant to the fact that it happened and the audience in attendance was laughing at it with no qualms. I don't care what capacity he was speaking as. This is certainly not a case of missing context as you would have people believe.

Also, you should reconsider your continuous name-calling and flaming in your posts, lest you desire a well-deserved infraction for it.

Plus, taken in light of the very popular Emerging Democrat Majority, it does seem like something Democrats would be excited for.

[Travis B]

Here's one more thing to add to the list: Conservative writer Mona Charen was jeered by the crowd for pointing out how some conservatives still supported Roy Moore even after it was discovered he is a child molester. The truth hurts I guess.

[Theodarzna]

The right better be really careful about deciding that one person speaks for the whole party.

Cause if you want to open that particular box I got a bakers dozen of folks I'd like you to address.

You can start with the actual Nazi that is the GOP candidate in Illinois.

That box was opened ages ago. We are already there. And long ago it was decided that Nazi = All the Right. Now I am curious about what represents the Left?

The man I cited was able to tell that joke to chortle applause among some Democratic politicos, clearly, that kind of joke is enjoyable to them. I ask why? Considering the book The Emerging Democrat Majority is that for Democrats the fewer Whites that exist the better their political fortunes. Its a gleefuly hope and expectation.

Is it wrong to point this out?

[Captain N]

It was a tasteless joke that highlighted an actual awful belief held strong enough by those people in the room to laugh out loud at it like what he was saying was normal discourse. That's not where you let something like that die. That's where you point it out and ask people if this is how they really feel and why.

As far as anything else you're saying, you're just barking up the ban tree so it's probably better to use your energy on discussing the topic rather than how you feel about other posters. Refer to the forum rules if you need more clarification on the matter.

By your own logic every member of the Republican Party is a pedophile because a handful of self-identifying Republicans supported Roy Moore? That's some backwards logic to be applying especially when it means shitty people are shitty people and doesn't indicate the entire political party is an asshole due to a small group of individuals.



And discussion of moderation is also against the rules so you may want to stop bringing it up.

[Daelak]

I genuinely morn the loss of the Conservative party in America. Hopefully the real conservatives form a new one.

US conservatism should of been buried with the dead in the aftermath of the civil war. The fact that we have a political ideology that's solely driven on dismantling federal protections and power that has taken centuries to achieve a more perfect union should alarm all Americans. The movement, and the wording should be snuffed out, become an ancient artifact of antebellum and Jim Crow South.

[Captain N]

That's not my logic at all. The guy said something explicitly awful and people laughed at it because they believed it was a normal thing to think or say. That's a very simple concept for you to wrap your head around I hope? Laughing about a certain race's suicide rates doesn't equate those people to genocidal maniacs, but it does say something about their overall beliefs and what they think is permissible to laugh about in a closed setting.

Asking you not to flame me or other posters and reminding you of the forum rules and consequences is not itself against the forum rules. Being level-headed and civil will ultimately help you organize your thoughts in a more coherent manner, so why not give it a try?

Yes its your logic completely. People believed Roy Moore having sexual relations with a 14 year old was normal and those like yourself believed it was normal too. You defended it to the very end claiming he would still win the election regardless of the allegations. Those were horrible people. Those were not the entire Republican Party.

That small group and the man who spoke are also shitty people who said and laughed at a horrible thing. Those are not indicative of the Democratic Party as a whole despite you and Theo continuing to push the narrative that it is.

Bringing up the past actions of posters to remind the forum how dishonest and how they've defended the actions of horrid people in the past is not flaming.

[BrerBear]

Considering the other party gets a good laugh out of white suicide rates rising, I do wonder why only the GOP gets shit for maybe being ethno-centric.

"the other party gets a good laugh out of..."

From... a dumb joke--delivered by an old white guy, even--at a state forum and afterwards disavowed to... generalizing the whole party.

FFS, could you be any more disingenuous? I doubt it. You truly are the worst poster on this entire forum, and that's saying something.

[Captain N]

Okay, I guess I'm going to have to spell it out for you.

People supported Roy Moore for every reason that was relevant and germane to him running for office. Unproven allegations were not an item of their support. If Roy Moore got up in front of an audience and directly joked about diddling kids and everyone laughed or if that was even remotely involved in his or his supporters beliefs, you might have a point.... but you don't.

Roy Moore doesn't serve as your get out jail free card on every argument you ever get in about politics with people who wanted him elected but not necessarily in office for partisan purposes and he certainly doesn't work for this scenario. If you're going to use this little bit of rhetorical capital you think you have, try using it in a coherent manner. You failed this time.

The flaming was your toxic name-calling of others. Specifically:

- "dishonest piece of garbage"
- "scumbag"

You can discuss things I've said in the past all you want, just try to be honest about your characterization of it and do it without name-calling and you're all good.

Evidence that supported his actions towards minors were present and people continued to support him despite the evidence. You were one of those people and now you're going to go with mental gymnastics about how the DNC is bad for one guy making a comment and a handful of people laughing at it is worse than people defending a pedophile?

This is as bad as when you tried claiming that per-capita numbers don't mean anything while you were busy attacking Chicago's death tolls.

You're just as dishonest as the people you choose to defend. There's really not much left here to discuss with you.

[Elegiac]

Roy Moore being an alleged pedophile (only in the court of public opinion) had nothing to do with his political beliefs and why people such as myself supported his election (and subsequent removal if any of that was proven with due process) over giving the seat away to a Democrat.

I.e. "my political agenda is more important than whether or not the person forwarding that agenda is a child molester".

[Drutt]

Here's one more thing to add to the list: Conservative writer Mona Charen was jeered by the crowd for pointing out how some conservatives still supported Roy Moore even after it was discovered he is a child molester.

I just saw that - good for her. Those are the voices that need to be heard more in politics: the ones willing to call out the wrongdoers in their own side of the aisle, rather than overblowing everything done by the other team and ignoring everything else.

[Captain N]

When did I say anything about this being representative about the whole DNC? I simply asked what context was missing and how that warranted your toxic name calling. You're building in everything else with an overactive imagination.

Again, you're missing the point that what we are talking about is something that is central to the beliefs of the person that said it. Roy Moore being an alleged pedophile (only in the court of public opinion) had nothing to do with his political beliefs and why people such as myself supported his election (and subsequent removal if any of that was proven with due process) over giving the seat away to a Democrat.

I honestly don't even remember the Chicago thing. Chicago is a pretty awful place for murder though.

Theo was trying to push the narrative that what he said was indicative of a belief held by the DNC and not the individual or the people present in that room that laughed. In fact the quote is made by BrerBear just a few up from this.

In fact she goes further several posters later bringing up the Emerging Democrat Majority

Maybe you should read posts before you rush to defend other people.

[BrerBear]

So it was okay because he was white and later apologized after getting called out? From that point on people can no longer talk about it?

No, that doesn't make it "okay". That makes it isolated and rebuked. From Theo's own linked story:

“For the past month, the Maine Democratic Party held public forums all over the state of Maine inviting anyone interested to come and share their thoughts on the direction of the state party. Richard Fochtmann spoke as a private citizen at a public forum and unfortunately, he used his 2 minutes at the mic to make his point with an offensive joke. Another attendee promptly stood up and called the comment out as inappropriate. During that same forum Fochtmann stood up and apologized to the group. This video has been selectively edited without the call-out or ensuing apology, and Fochtmann has been mischaracterized as a ‘featured speaker’ or ‘Democratic leader’ in order to fabricate a controversy. In truth, Fochtmann spoke only for himself."

[Elegiac]

some of his accusers are possibly paid agents of the opposition party.

I never did claim that Republican extremists weren't conspiracy theorists, lol.

Doesn't change your vehement support of Moore despite the totality of his actions, of which being a child molester was only a part. You've lost any pretense at claiming you're the party of morals, family values, or public decency.

[Elegiac]

I guess that's okay because I'm not a Republican.

Whatever you say, sweetheart. I'm sure if Donald Trump gets removed from office you'll be one of the 30% of Americans that voted for Johnson in 2016.