Wonder Woman and Black Panther's Success Has Theaters Asking for More Diversity

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free market where consumers decide what films they want and producers do it

Or

censoring panel authority deciding if films are allowed to air according to their compliance with the party's values


Which one is it, right wingers ?

Nobody, aside from hardline communist trash and religious zealots that should be hanging from the lampposts are advocating censorship.

I, and most of the people I have talked to believe in a platform for all. I WANT communists to go on the stage, so that they can be laughed off it. I WANT people to watch videos about the benefits of socialism in venezuela. I WANT people to tell me about their racial purity, so that I can show them the genetic history of the world.

For all their faults, I cannot deny that hardline leftists are good at one thing - creating right wingers.

Also, as a side note - despite the Overton window being stuck for a long time in the left isle, the majority of people are centrists.

[Techno-Druid]

I dunno, a film about an ultra-nationalist, culturally conservative society that values tradition and keeping its land for its own people sounds pretty Alt-Right to me.

Yep and you know what that creates? Killmonger.

In order to maintain the secret of Wakanda, T'Chaka (T'Chala's father) kills his brother, leaving his nephew in America to radicalize.

At the end of the movie, T'Chala realizes that Wakanda can no longer remain in isolation and opens up Wakanda's technological advancements to the world, urging the nations of the world to look out for one another "as if we are all one tribe"

OT: Diversity is neither good nor bad. Most consumers ultimately don't care about the ethnic, cultural background or gender of the protagonists if the movie just tells a good story.

[Huulo]

Aren't movies based around race in a fact racist?

There's something going on with these movies that not everyone realizes. You see, there's nothing wrong with having a white-male superhero, or a superhero of any race/gender. But when every single one is white for roughly 80 years, it can be exciting for audiences when you have a person of color in the lead.

Two weeks ago there were 17 Marvel movies and 17 Marvel movies with white-male leads. There's a similar pattern with large-budget movies in general. In economic terms, this makes movies about people of color an "undervalued asset." A studio that takes advantage of this is essentially playing money ball and can see a greater-than-expected return on their investment.

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Yep and you know what that creates? Killmonger.

In order to maintain the secret of Wakanda, T'Chaka (T'Chala's father) kills his brother, leaving his nephew in America to radicalize.

At the end of the movie, T'Chala realizes that Wakanda can no longer remain in isolation and opens up Wakanda's technological advancements to the world, urging the nations of the world to look out for one another "as if we are all one tribe"

OT: Diversity is neither good nor bad. Most consumers ultimately don't care about the ethnic, cultural background or gender of the protagonists if the movie just tells a good story.

It's funny how when you think about it the recent Thor movie and Black Panther had the same basic story, king dies and prince gets challenged by unknown royal relative with a militarily aggressive vision for the kingdom, and while both movies were decent the reaction to Black Panther was obviously far greater.

Beyond story, there's this thing that movies have called "framing." I'm no expert on film, but I keep hearing this idea that framing always supersedes text in film making.

[Machismo]

Those movies were better, because you are comparing them to Suicide Squad, and the Batman/Superman movies. Let's be honest, DC has set a very low bar for superhero movies in recent years.

[kail]

IDK, both of those movies were very meh for me. Had high hopes for Wonder Woman but the shitty villain killed it for me. Black Panther was overly boring as well IMO with. No character really stood out.

[Kathandira]

Having the movie with 90% black people is not much diversity.

It's market diversity. Not diversity isolated to the film itself.

[Independent voter]

Wonder Woman is pre WWII debuting during 1941, Black Panther is 1966 so that's 50 years?

Long as they pick a comic book hero who's been around that long I'm fine with more diversity.

[Kapadons]

“We want more diversity”

“Ok, how about a movie with a 95% black cast and a black lead”

“Diversity means “not white” so yeah, that’s a diverse movie”

[quras]

Nothing wrong with diversity in movies when you have a decent story and a story written around those characters.

The second they start turning other races into that "diversity token character" because someone cried about diversity, then it's a formula for failure.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Hated Wonder Woman, boringest super hero movie I’ve ever seen.

[makls]

I dont get it why Wonder Woman was a good movie tho,was cringe.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Lol I love how the left just doesn't understand the issues around 'diversity'.

Wonder woman is a historical character that was always a white woman. Black Panther is a historical character that was always black male. Thor was historically white male. What cultural sjw's want to do is demonize one of those groups like the racist fucks they are.

So in the Marvel comics Thor was changed to a woman. Iron Man was changed to a black woman. This is the diversity that pisses people off, no one has an issue seeing a Wonder Woman movie. Would progressives go see Black Panther if he was portrayed as white? No, I didn't think so. If you can grasp the injustice of that you will begin to understand why people despise sjws.

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Sounds like paradise compared to Sweden.

People always trout out the Riri or fem Thor things, where was all the complaining when tony was replaced with 2 black men? Or when a space horse had Thor’s powers?

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And now you fail to grasp the reasoning of the argument.
The problem isnt that the woman weilds the power of Thor, it is that SHE HERSELF is called Thor. It is not a title, it is a name. Also, the stories of the female-thor are literal feminist manifesto-tier bullshit. There is an actual comic of her punching a guy for calling her a feminist and meaning it as an insult.

The black Ironman thing - people mostly dislike her due to her being perfect. Do you know why many people dislike superman? Because he is omnipotent. Same with Reeree or Deedee or whatever her name is - she is the best at everything and always ends up lecturing bad guys in her stories. People dislike her not because she is a black woman, people dislike because her stories are shit.

In terms of black:white superhero ratio - in the words of the Witcher 3 dev, when he was asked to respond to there being no black people in medieval poland - "Are black people really so incompetent that they cannot make their own culture? That I must make it for them?".
If you want more black superheroes in movies or comics - make new ones, if they are good, people will like them. There are endless examples of shit superheroes who happen to be white.

Have you read any of the few Thor run or are you just parroting what you have heard from that one page? Dealing with a war of the realms isn’t very feminist or dealing with other gods or the Phoenix. The only even slightly questionable thing is that she uses the name of Thor and even that isn’t a big deal.



Not very feminist.

[Linkedblade]

Which is funny because the comic book industry literally just threw all of their "diverse" characters in the garbage because no one was buying it. So, I doubt we'll see movies based on those characters.

[Elba]

Or it could just be that they were good movies no matter what race/sex played in them?
Batman being shit had nothing to do with the main star being a white guy. It was just shit because the plot and the story were shit.

I don't see how this is diversity... Can't very well make a Wonder Woman movie with the lead being a man, or a Black Panther movie with the lead not being black.

Great movies will do well regardless of what sex / color the lead and supporting cast are. Same goes for release dates imo, hyped movies will do well no matter when they are released (unless you are releasing multiple block busters at the same time, but that is just unwise and studio's already know)

Audiences are becoming more diverse. People of color and women are realizing their market power. These movies did indeed do well in part because of diversity.

Not catering to diverse audiences is really dumb from a economic stand point.

[yetgdhfgh]

If being an all black cast equals huge box office then Madea would make trillions

Lets be real here if Black Panther and Wonder Woman didnt have the DC and Marvel tag would it make as much money no matter if they was awesome or not?

We need to see independent movie studios create all black or female superhero that cant cling on the coat tails of Marvel or DC to see if this really does ring true.

For me if the movie is good and people say its good then i will go and watch it either in the theatre or on netflix the colour of the skin of the cast or what genitals they have is of no consequence for me.

[Yriel]

Wonder Woman is historically a white woman:
- Sure, I mean, she is based on greek mythology after all. But the only thing integral to her character is the fact she is female. Amazons are, by definition, female.
[...]
Thor becoming a woman:
- Who the fuck cares. Yes, Thor is historically male. But we are not talking about "Historical" Thor. We are talking about "Marvel's Thor".

Aha. So DCs Amazons (Wonder Woman) are historical while Marvels Thor is not. That makes sense.

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Aha. So DCs Wonder Woman is historical while Marvels Thor is not. That makes sense.

Well it's their first good film

[Elba]

Which is funny because the comic book industry literally just threw all of their "diverse" characters in the garbage because no one was buying it. So, I doubt we'll see movies based on those characters.

Er, wrong. The diverse characters are super popular. Marvel Comics' problems come from their predatory business practices of demanding pre orders, cancelling series before they are even out, constant "soft" reboots and forced cross over events and generally fucking comic book stores in the ass. Comics being only available in comic book stores being an additional problem. The complete neglect of normal retailers, the comic book speculator boom and the catering to only specialty stores and long time collectors being what screwed them.

Anybody who actually works in the industry will tell you that.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Which is funny because the comic book industry literally just threw all of their "diverse" characters in the garbage because no one was buying it. So, I doubt we'll see movies based on those characters.

This has never been any thing new they have always been rotating in new people into the old rolls then bringing back the old people.

[Elba]

Lol I love how the left just doesn't understand the issues around 'diversity'.

Wonder woman is a historical character that was always a white woman. Black Panther is a historical character that was always black male. Thor was historically white male. What cultural sjw's want to do is demonize one of those groups like the racist fucks they are.

So in the Marvel comics Thor was changed to a woman. Iron Man was changed to a black woman. This is the diversity that pisses people off, no one has an issue seeing a Wonder Woman movie. Would progressives go see Black Panther if he was portrayed as white? No, I didn't think so.

Odinson is still around, Riri is not Iron Man. Were you also mad when Rhoady took over, when Beta Ray Bill took over or when Thor was a frog?

If you can grasp the injustice of that you will begin to understand why people despise sjws.

I mean, if one is too dense to understand societal context and views everything only in a vacuum one would indeed be pissed.

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“We want more diversity”

“Ok, how about a movie with a 95% black cast and a black lead”

“Diversity means “not white” so yeah, that’s a diverse movie”

"I don't understand that things don't exist in a vacuum and ignore that the two dozen nearly all white Marvel movies exist, plus overwhelmingly white hero genre and blockbusters as a whole"

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We need to see independent movie studios create all black or female superhero that cant cling on the coat tails of Marvel or DC to see if this really does ring true.

I bet those would actually do very well if indeed good and would get properly marketed and people actually knew about it.