Four far-right terror plots foiled by police last year

[Deleted]

I wonder how many of these people would even qualify as far right radicals if they didn't feel as though they were pushed into taking sides.

I wonder how many people would even qualify as radical islamists if they didn't feel as though they were pushed into taking sides.

[Narwal]

We don't really hear much about jihadis in the United States. More than anything, we hear about mass shootings, most of which are caused by random citizens. The last one happened to be a Trump-supporting white nationalist. He's about as close to a "Nazi" as you are going to get in this country.

Sure, he may have been doing the racism thing for attention, but there's no doubt that his delusions were real.

I'm not familiar with whom you're talking about here, sorry.

[Machismo]

I'm not familiar with whom you're talking about here, sorry.

You aren't familiar with the most recent school shooter?

https://www.snopes.com/did-shooters-...ture-maga-hat/

If you don't like him, you can always look towards the asshats in Charlottesville.

[Deleted]

Nice to seem Tommy Robison compared to Anjem Choudary by Mark Rowley

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8229936.html

Obvs triggered him :
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8231286.html

And a senior EDL member got nicked for sexually abusing a 10 year old.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8231231.html

Fucking state of these far right pricks.

[Super Kami Dende]

I'm starting to find it strange that people are frowned upon for saying "Radical Islam" but are fine to use "Far-Right" as a Term. Since Islam by its very nature is Far-Right, and Islamic Terror attacks are by very definition Far-Right Terror Attacks.

[Narwal]

Jeez try not to trip over your self centeredness. You totally forgot all the extremist attacks in Europe, Turkey and other places not called America.

Your self centeredness is about as obvious and your attempt at bad faith arguments. /not sarcasm

What are you talking about? The story is directly trying to tell us everyone needs to fear supremacists. Fearing someone is not something that is conjured up out of thin air, there are events/actions that take place that people judge the threat upon themselves. Based on that assessment, we either have fear or we don't.

I was simply pointing out the process of that assessment with regards to supremacists, and comparing it to another common threat that people have assessed (jihadis).

[Machismo]

I'm starting to find it strange that people are frowned upon for saying "Radical Islam" but are fine to use "Far-Right" as a Term. Since Islam by its very nature is Far-Right, and Islamic Terror attacks are by very definition Far-Right Terror Attacks.

That's weird, I know liberal Muslims...

I don't know anyone who gets upset when referring to "radical Islam."

Radical Islamists have a great deal in common with other far right groups, they are cut from the same cloth.

[xfloydex]

Still not the same level as the 9 Islamic terror plots foiled in the same time period. But it will get to that point eventually. Whites have never been in the position of becoming minorities within their own country, so this is new territory. Its gonna get real ugly.

[Narwal]

You aren't familiar with the most recent school shooter?

https://www.snopes.com/did-shooters-...ture-maga-hat/

If you don't like him, you can always look towards the asshats in Charlottesville.

I am a newsy. I was driving for 26 hours over the weekend and listened to the news every one of those hours flipping between MSNBC, Fox, and CNN. No media sources are describing this guy as a far-right nazi supremacist. Trust me, if there was even a hint of that, at least one of those 3 stations would be telling us all about it.

What the person I was responding to was trying to do, was say that school shootings are a threat posed by supremacists. This kid didn't do this because he was a supremacist. He didn't google an idealogy of white-power to see if he should go into a school and start shooting indiscriminately. He did so because he has a mental illness and latched onto modern day glorification of violence. He did this for personal reputation, not for a cause.

[Machismo]

I am a newsy. I was driving for 26 hours over the weekend and listened to the news every one of those hours flipping between MSNBC, Fox, and CNN. No media sources are describing this guy as a far-right nazi supremacist. Trust me, if there was even a hint of that, at least one of those 3 stations would be telling us all about it.

What the person I was responding to was trying to do, was say that school shootings are a threat posed by supremacists. This kid didn't do this because he was a supremacist. He didn't google an idealogy of white-power to see if he should go into a school and start shooting indiscriminately. He did so because he has a mental illness and latched onto modern day glorification of violence. He did this for personal reputation, not for a cause.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/us/ex...oup/index.html

Now, whether or not he shot up his school because of his racism and bigotry, that seems doubtful. But, it did seem like he was holding on to some radical beliefs leading up to the shooting.

I do think this will be one of those shootings where someone could have intervened early, and saved him from turning this way. It does appear that he was bullied (by his brother), which is a shame. Fear, hatred, and hopelessness/desperation are a nasty combination.

[Player Twelve]

Man... the irony of an admitted racist and white nationalist saying that...

Cultural nationalist but okay.

[Machismo]

Cultural nationalist but okay.

Yeah, against "Asians, Africans and Arabs."

[lummiuster]

I wonder how many of these people would even qualify as far right radicals if they didn't feel as though they were pushed into taking sides. You have people coming into your country wanting Sharia law and idiots that equate it to feminism. Not sure how anyone can 'love' something so diametrically opposed to their current way of life.

We have one FOB Muslim guy in our apartment complex that is stupid enough to think he can mouth off to women who he catches alone (like when female tenants get their mail alone). How that guy hasn't gotten his shit kicked back to whatever country he's from is beyond me. I couldn't even imagine living in an area where that's the case magnified by unknown thousands.

And you have even more stupid people who believe in a stupid conspiracy that muslims want to impose sharia law. Where the hell did you get that from lol. Quite sure most muslims in your city would be in favor of deporting that sick guy who think kissing women without their agreement is ok. Btw muslims are not allowed to have sex (include kissing) with a woman without marrying her.
There are as many crazy people from middle east as crazy people anywhere else. It is just that when a foreigner does something bad, some people don't tolerate it as much as if it was a local guy that commit the same crime.
Ideally, we should only accept migrants with educational degree and a background check. This way we only get the best of them.
Or simply advocate to stop bombing their country so they just stay there lol.

[Player Twelve]

Yeah, against "Asians, Africans and Arabs."

I don't recall ever saying anything racist about asians. Africans and arabs on the other hand because they won't behave like Swedes? Sure did, but that's cultural.

[Machismo]

Not to mention there was a LOT more direct evidence out there on the personal politics uncovered on social media about James Hodgkinson and all of that was explained away in an instant by these same people who wrote a treatise about a red hat.

He was a radical leftist, they do exist. How does that change that the Florida shooter was a Trump-supporting racist?

[Narwal]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/us/ex...oup/index.html

Now, whether or not he shot up his school because of his racism and bigotry, that seems doubtful. But, it did seem like he was holding on to some radical beliefs leading up to the shooting.

I do think this will be one of those shootings where someone could have intervened early, and saved him from turning this way. It does appear that he was bullied (by his brother), which is a shame. Fear, hatred, and hopelessness/desperation are a nasty combination.

You're right in your assessment that he didn't do this for racist or bigotry reasons. That's very clear, and is why CNN didn't bring that one story into the mainstream as the issue to fix surrounding this event. Supremacists are dangerous people, that is without a doubt, but there's a reason we still have jihadis as our #1 to watch, and it's directly related to the number of people at threat to each group and how active those groups are in carrying out their wishes.

If you compared this to Obamas policy with deportation/immigration enforcement... we don't have time to be too concerned with supremacists when you have jihadis

[Machismo]

You're right in your assessment that he didn't do this for racist or bigotry reasons. That's very clear, and is why CNN didn't bring that one story into the mainstream as the issue to fix surrounding this event. Supremacists are dangerous people, that is without a doubt, but there's a reason we still have jihadis as our #1 to watch, and it's directly related to the number of people at threat to each group and how active those groups are in carrying out their wishes.

Honestly, I'd like to see some data on that. I'm also confounded that the current administration decided to pull back investigations and resources into far right domestic groups. Wray has shifted focus to lone-wolf extremists, firstly ISIS supporters and radical Islamists, then white supremacists. The issue for me is not so much the number of targets, but rather the number of actual radicals within our midst. Domestically, I think it's easy to say we have more radical white supremacists than we have radical Islamists.

[Rooflesstoofless]

but but but but but but the peaceful white supremacists and authoritarians told me it was ok if they were given a platform and tolerance to spread their views to the populace! One post in and there's already an apologist.

Yeah, I was watching the People vs OJ last night and wondering what would push OJ to nearly severe the heads of his two victims. I'm totally an apologist for him. Let's face it, the motives of Islamic extremists is pretty fucking obvious.

Very Wise People^tm on GEN-OT keep telling us not to worry about the Neo-Nazis.

Just look at the Mods tolerance for anti-immigrant shitposts. By withholding moderator action they've totally improved the tone and civility of threads here. /s

Opinions on a forum? Get the fuck outta here

- - - Updated - - -

I wonder how many people would even qualify as radical islamists if they didn't feel as though they were pushed into taking sides.

They wouldn't be forced into taking sides if they chose to assimilate to their parent country or stayed at home.

[Machismo]

Yeah, I was watching the People vs OJ last night and wondering what would push OJ to nearly severe the heads of his two victims. I'm totally an apologist for him. Let's face it, the motives of Islamic extremists is pretty fucking obvious.


Opinions on a forum? Get the fuck outta here

- - - Updated - - -


They wouldn't be forced into taking sides if they chose to assimilate to their parent country or stayed at home.

Or... you could simply not give a shit what other people do, unless they are harming others.

[Rooflesstoofless]

And you have even more stupid people who believe in a stupid conspiracy that muslims want to impose sharia law.

They don't? What is going on in the UK and most of Europe?

Where the hell did you get that from lol.

The news and from watching interviews of Muslims in Europe.

There are as many crazy people from middle east as crazy people anywhere else.

Most people coming out of the middle east are inbred (varies 40-70%+ depending on region) so they actually have more than their fair share of crazy, unfortunately. Even in European countries like Britain something like 50% of their middle eastern populous is inbred because of the practice of marrying your first cousin in Islam.