Legion - Assassination Discussion

[elfporn]

You guys see those new talent tree loadouts? Dispatch is back! Though at the cost of master poisoner.... Garrote talent increases silence to 8sec with dmg done redux on top of it. And venom rush is a 3energy refund on mut.

And it looks like they’re trying to add find weakness back in as a talent for sub...what a nightmare right there.

[Motokid600]

How did this hunter "Coctree" parse so much higher then me? Hell higher then everyone else for that matter... https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done. Im Arcturus. Similar damage. Similar dps. Similar avoidable damage... the hell man...

[Feali]

How did this hunter "Coctree" parse so much higher then me? Hell higher then everyone else for that matter... https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done. Im Arcturus. Similar damage. Similar dps. Similar avoidable damage... the hell man...

It's a lot easier to parse high with an underperforming and less played spec.

[Motokid600]

It's a lot easier to parse high with an underperforming and less played spec.

I hadn't thought of that. Interesting...

[Hamburglar - Perenolde]

The point was that some of the things that were being "alluded" to still cost you damage, where the pooling play style with anticipation mostly rids the typical setup of them (ie, a dps increase in it's favor, however small). This was merely one of the pro's mentioned for it, and it was clearly a smaller one.

So a few snarky, cryptic responses assuming that a non-optimal rotation is being used as opposed to actual testing with results or a solid explanation as to why it can't be competitive is what came from the post. Right, waste of time posting here I suppose, I'll keep that in mind. I'd say there is at least the class discord for discussion, but compared to the warlock one and others it's a sad place.

The issue I think you'll always run into is that Anticipation (10 combo pts instead of 5, but max 5 for use of finishers still) doesn't actually buff anything, whereas Deeper Strategem (+5% increase to finishers and 6 point finishers) and Vigor (+50 energy and +energy Regen) do. I know you said you will be wearing the Vigor ring, but that is not close to the BIS leggo, so you are cheating yourself twice.

the only argument is that you have more ability to pool, but from my raiding experience, I have never felt the need to have more than 6 combo points as the energy to combo points feels right. Id imagine if you held up to 10 combo points, you'd most likely waste quite a bit of energy in the process.

Would like to see sims on it though

[silkworm]

The point was that some of the things that were being "alluded" to still cost you damage, where the pooling play style with anticipation mostly rids the typical setup of them (ie, a dps increase in it's favor, however small). This was merely one of the pro's mentioned for it, and it was clearly a smaller one.

So a few snarky, cryptic responses assuming that a non-optimal rotation is being used as opposed to actual testing with results or a solid explanation as to why it can't be competitive is what came from the post. Right, waste of time posting here I suppose, I'll keep that in mind. I'd say there is at least the class discord for discussion, but compared to the warlock one and others it's a sad place.

Your previous post was one of the more inquisitive posts I have seen here other than "Dude how much -insert stat here- I need?" So it is not a waste of time and there are couple of people here that have similar questioning minds. Technically in a vacuum in simulation you can do more dps with Vigor talent and Mantle or boots (2nd legendary bracers) But its worth trying in real combat especially in movement heavy, burst add oriented combats (Kin'Garoth, Hasabel, Coven, Aggramar)

What I disagree will be sims. Because the most accurate sims assume you stay put and dps until given time. No movement whatsoever. So naturally combat logs like Varimathras and Garothi are quite parallel with sims. This is more like mpg/kpl(kilmoters per liter) calculations. Most cars have a rated mpg but reality is much more different. Because what is given is the lab test result on rollers. Real traffic is different and will give much different results.

This can be an interesting combo especially in heavy movement fights like Kin'Garoth Aggramar where you need to pool resources. In combats like Varimathras or Garothi, sims will be accurate and best combo will be Mantle/Bracer Boot/Bracer depending on fight length. However Ring/Bracer combo with Anticipation Talent may be better

I have pretty good logs for Varimathras and Garothi in higher percentiles. I do have pretty mediocre (50 percentile range) scores on movement fights. I will try to use the ring + bracers and Anticipation and see if it changes anything by managing resources better and see if I can do better dps.
I'm not the best player around, I don't have one button macro combos etc. I try to play by the book and when I can get a solid %80 or %85 I consider it good enough for me. I will keep you updated if I can raid this week.

[kumarshah]

Anyone have good Assassination WA setup for showing bleeds/poisons/CDs?

[Deleted]

The issue I think you'll always run into is that Anticipation (10 combo pts instead of 5, but max 5 for use of finishers still) doesn't actually buff anything, whereas Deeper Strategem (+5% increase to finishers and 6 point finishers) and Vigor (+50 energy and +energy Regen) do. I know you said you will be wearing the Vigor ring, but that is not close to the BIS leggo, so you are cheating yourself twice.

the only argument is that you have more ability to pool, but from my raiding experience, I have never felt the need to have more than 6 combo points as the energy to combo points feels right. Id imagine if you held up to 10 combo points, you'd most likely waste quite a bit of energy in the process.

Would like to see sims on it though

The DPS increase with Anticipation (Deeper Stratagem's 5% finisher damage, Vigor's 10% energy regeneration) comes from not wasting any Combo Points. Most finishers will be with 5 Combo Points without wasting any Combo Points from crits. In my head you will also be able to squeeze in more damage during burst windows because you can pool for more Combo Points. I've tried playing with Anticipation, but it just doesn't feel as rewarding as major Envenom crits with Deeper Stratagem or faster gameplay with Vigor. Vigor increases the damage from Deadly Poison because you afford more abilities, grants you more uptime on Surge of Toxins and Envenom, which gives more energy back from t21 4pc and if you mismanage your energy it gives you more room for error than Deeper Stratagem and Anticipation. It just really works with where we are right now.

I can't really see where Anticipation would shine really. Perhaps if we had stronger burst windows, or at the very least were more reliant on them, Anticipation could perform better. But where we are right now it's more about juggling and planning cooldowns, to which Anticipation doesn't do nearly enough compared to Vigor or Deeper Stratagem.

This is very much feelycraft though. I can't make Anticipation work, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible for it to compete. Maybe I'll give it a go on a few keys, just to see where I end up. It'll certainly be nice to save the Combo Poins from shoulder crits with Fan of Knives.

edit: I just simmed the Combo Point-talent row. I'm at 957 ilvl, poison-build, t214pc and Bracers/Shoulders (https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/ch...crest/parsnips) and I got these results:

1. Vigor: 1 877 181 DPS
2. Anticipation: 1 871 031 DPS
3. Deeper Stratagem: 1 857 613 DPS

So Anticipation really doesn't fall behind, at least not where my gear is at. I'll certainly give it a shot.

[xezar]

So not sure this is completely the right place, but outside of making a thread not sure where to ask...

I am kind of wondering, is there any WA builds out there similar to my favorite ret pally one here for assasination: https://wago.io/VJRFm2w-M

Basically kind of set up with a suggestion box in the middle for rotation, then a combo point bar (as that's basically all HP is) and various icons/timers for major/core abilities. I mean I could probably mess around and eventually modify that WA to work for rogue (besides the rotation helper, I have no clue how that would be done or how to mess with it), but was just wondering if there was anything already sorta existing for rogues?

[Deleted]

Fairly insignificant question but can anyone confirm if the new Nightborne racial “magical affinity” (bonus magic damage) affects our poison damage?

[Dunderstudy]

Fairly insignificant question but can anyone confirm if the new Nightborne racial “magical affinity” (bonus magic damage) affects our poison damage?

I heard yes it does but void elf literally has a proc for 5% increase in phys/magic damage I almost feel like it's better

[Varolyn]

Talking to my friends who have changed to Velf, the buff appears to have good uptime at around 20% per fight. Not only that, it appears to proc on pull all the time. Idk if it will get nerfed or not, but the velf racial seems to be pretty strong for dps.

[RobertoCarlos]

Talking to my friends who have changed to Velf, the buff appears to have good uptime at around 20% per fight. Not only that, it appears to proc on pull all the time. Idk if it will get nerfed or not, but the velf racial seems to be pretty strong for dps.

It will be nerfed once everyone changes over and its been out for awhile.

[Master Guns]

I have some questions about sin gear choices.

I currently have 2 piece t21 and have 196% mastery.

No matter what gear choices I make to obtain 4 piece, I lose stupid amounts of mastery as all pieces I replace have mastery and the tier doesn’t, so I go from 196% to around 165%. Is that worth 4 piece?

[elfporn]

I have some questions about sin gear choices.

I currently have 2 piece t21 and have 196% mastery.

No matter what gear choices I make to obtain 4 piece, I lose stupid amounts of mastery as all pieces I replace have mastery and the tier doesn’t, so I go from 196% to around 165%. Is that worth 4 piece?

Yes.

Dont use gloves or shoulders for t21. The 4p bonus is one of the strongest assination has ever had., esp because of how it synergizes with the 2p and all the buffs from envenom.

[Varolyn]

Yes.

Dont use gloves or shoulders for t21. The 4p bonus is one of the strongest assination has ever had., esp because of how it synergizes with the 2p and all the buffs from envenom.

I would argue that the 2 piece is actually more powerful, but yeah, t21 is one of the best sets sin has ever had. Even better than t19 imo because I think it’s more versatile plus I was a little biased against ap....

[Rufio]

I have some questions about sin gear choices.

I currently have 2 piece t21 and have 196% mastery.

No matter what gear choices I make to obtain 4 piece, I lose stupid amounts of mastery as all pieces I replace have mastery and the tier doesn’t, so I go from 196% to around 165%. Is that worth 4 piece?

1. DL: simc addon
2. type /simc (ingame)
3. copy the text
4. go to https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear
5. paste the text
6. check/uncheck all items you might want to equip
7. click "Find top gear"
8. profit

[elfporn]

...has anticipation been removed in the alpha?? Wowhead source

[Varolyn]

...has anticipation been removed in the alpha?? Wowhead source

yes, Marked for death replaces it on that row.

[Deleted]

Fairly insignificant question but can anyone confirm if the new Nightborne racial “magical affinity” (bonus magic damage) affects our poison damage?

It definitely does. To be honest, i've tried NB for like 2 days when it dropped and i didn't like the appearance at all. Besides you won't notice any significant difference. Belf is still the race to go, in raids and in m+.