2-handed Frost? The dream coming true!

[Acidbaron]

People asking for this to return are conveniently forgetting what a bad place frost was in when this was the case. The reality will be both 1h's and 2h's would suffer and at the end one would end up being the best, you would be forced to play the best anyway since the gap between both was always rather significant.

So you are essentially asking for a subpar spec. Blizzard is aware of this and so this will not be returning.

[Fkiolaris]

People asking for this to return are conveniently forgetting what a bad place frost was in when this was the case. The reality will be both 1h's and 2h's would suffer and at the end one would end up being the best, you would be forced to play the best anyway since the gap between both was always rather significant.

So you are essentially asking for a subpar spec. Blizzard is aware of this and so this will not be returning.

And you are conveniently forgetting that the "bad place" was only true for the progression-minded (then) heroic raids and nowhere else, at least up to MoP. In WoD they completely wrecked the 2H spec to the point that they might even not have it in the game, so any issues with the power of the spec were not down to 2H vs DW. Finally, you are also conveniently forgetting that most of the dps issues were due to Blizzard stubbornly refusing to add a frost-dmg component to Obliterate and balance accordingly, which was the cornerstone of the spec.

So no, nobody is asking for a subpar spec, people asking for 2H are doing so because the spec was fun and was working fine other than the 1% of the population.

[Acidbaron]

And you are conveniently forgetting that the "bad place" was only true for the progression-minded (then) heroic raids and nowhere else, at least up to MoP. In WoD they completely wrecked the 2H spec to the point that they might even not have it in the game, so any issues with the power of the spec were not down to 2H vs DW. Finally, you are also conveniently forgetting that most of the dps issues were due to Blizzard stubbornly refusing to add a frost-dmg component to Obliterate and balance accordingly, which was the cornerstone of the spec.

So no, nobody is asking for a subpar spec, people asking for 2H are doing so because the spec was fun and was working fine other than the 1% of the population.

That's your opinion on it. If you believe it was out of stubbornness it simply shows your ability to think logically about this. In any case you're never going to get it

[Fkiolaris]

That's your opinion on it. If you believe it was out of stubbornness it simply shows your ability to think logically about this. In any case you're never going to get it

And your inability to acknowledge that Blizzard has managed to balance other specs in the game that had both 2H and DW options pretty much shows your ability to think logically about it . And don't worry, I am under no illusion that Blizzard will bring 2H Frost back in this expansion (or perhaps ever), I just can't stand seeing bollocks excuses spit out for not doing so.

[Acidbaron]

And your inability to acknowledge that Blizzard has managed to balance other specs in the game that had both 2H and DW options pretty much shows your ability to think logically about it . And don't worry, I am under no illusion that Blizzard will bring 2H Frost back in this expansion (or perhaps ever), I just can't stand seeing bollocks excuses spit out for not doing so.

Your unwillingness to accept something is your problem, all specs are not the same and neither are the ways to balance them. That being the suggestion of just adding frost dmg, frost has other checks than physical both in PvP and PvE so just altering the dmg type or adding one is not going to magically fix the problems it had before. But i get it, it is easier to simply accept it is all just a matter of effort that way you can stomp your feet and get mad.

[Super Kami Dende]

People asking for this to return are conveniently forgetting what a bad place frost was in when this was the case. The reality will be both 1h's and 2h's would suffer and at the end one would end up being the best, you would be forced to play the best anyway since the gap between both was always rather significant.

So you are essentially asking for a subpar spec. Blizzard is aware of this and so this will not be returning.

And? Why does that matter, many people play the classes/Specs they like for the Theme or Archetype. You think people that are diehard Fire Mage fans change to Frost when Frost is better? No they play what they want to play.

The difference between 2h and DW frost was negligible at best. I used to play both but always went back to 2H just because it felt better and didn't care I was doing 2% less DPS than some SIM said I was meant to do as Dual-wield.

The only people that kind of balance matters to are the top of the top Raiders. But I find people that only play the spec that does the most damage over what they enjoy tend to be the ones that complain the most.

[tru]

And? Why does that matter, many people play the classes/Specs they like for the Theme or Archetype. You think people that are diehard Fire Mage fans change to Frost when Frost is better? No they play what they want to play.

The difference between 2h and DW frost was negligible at best. I used to play both but always went back to 2H just because it felt better and didn't care I was doing 2% less DPS than some SIM said I was meant to do as Dual-wield.

The only people that kind of balance matters to are the top of the top Raiders. But I find people that only play the spec that does the most damage over what they enjoy tend to be the ones that complain the most.

Took the words out of my mouth. I didn't care about the numbers...I had played it dw until the 2h became a thing and I never looked back...until legion took away what i loved and ive switched mains 4 times this xpac...because I have no love for anything.... cept my 2h frost!

[Fkiolaris]

Your unwillingness to accept something is your problem, all specs are not the same and neither are the ways to balance them. That being the suggestion of just adding frost dmg, frost has other checks than physical both in PvP and PvE so just altering the dmg type or adding one is not going to magically fix the problems it had before. But i get it, it is easier to simply accept it is all just a matter of effort that way you can stomp your feet and get mad.

The irony in this post is through the roof. It's the typical "I got what I wanted so everything other than that is bad and you are ignorant/stubborn and you don't get it" post, showing that there is no point trying to argue anything. And no, adding frost damage to Obliterate would NOT magically fix all the problems, I never said so and it's very nice of you making the inference for me. What it would make is help to a big extend deal with one of the perennial issues Frost had and got it a bad name, namely scaling, especially between Tiers. But I get it, you are a Mythic raider and Blizzard having the least amount of work to do ensures you better possibilities for being within the magical 2% range of dps, just like all the specs are in Legion

[Cosmic Janitor]

Fast ninja argument is utter BS. Both arms warrior and frost do have 1.5 sec GCD where the animation takes place. And we use both weapons at the same time, not one by one with each strike.

Auto attacks? Do people care about it still?

You might want to buy a bigger monitor. I play zoomed out to the max as well, but I can still see my character flailing about with his two toothpicks.

[nathrizarri]

You might want to buy a bigger monitor. I play zoomed out to the max as well, but I can still see my character flailing about with his two toothpicks.

Acer z35 predator

They aren't toothpicks to me, not at all. Maybe your mouth is messed up after all the BJs you perform.

INFRACTION

[wearethe]

i prefer one handed (arthas style) frost dk, but we are forced to dual

[Stacie]

Keep it clean and on topic please folks.

[Yhcti]

Add 2 hander as a competitive option to 1 hander, give us slightly better mobility - I will then ditch my hunter and dh and bring back my wotlk frost dk... let the good times roll!

[Softbuns]

i prefer one handed (arthas style) frost dk, but we are forced to dual

arthas style? He used frostmourne aka the baddest 2-hander ever

[Taittinger]

Damn, I miss old school DK from early Wotlk when Unholy Tank was viable with Bone Shield and corpse explosions for massive AOE in dungeons and you could get away with dual wielding Frost Tank just because you could (parry all day long), Blood DPS was cleaving madness with heartstrike hitting 3 targets I believe.
Or the cookie cutter hybrid specs to be the jack-of-all-trades. Was very niche but hell it was fun.

I'd love to see some kind of homage to "all three specs can do everything" playstyle we used to have. Maybe giving us indirectly 6 specs, not 6 specs per-sé but if you chose one of the specs you can then toggle if you want to be DPS or Tank in that spec. I know it's a lot to ask, and will probably never happen.
Obviously, this would lead no-where in top-tier progression because of metas just the way it was at the end of Wotlk when everyone rolled Blood regardless if you were tank or DPS because it was the best. But atleast you had the option to do DPS or Tank in any spec, the way Blizz "marketed" Death Knights from the beginning. If you think about it Frost was almost like 4 specs in one with DW Tank and DPS and 2H Tank and DPS.

For the sake of this topic, I'd totally like to see Frost DK go back to 2H or at least make both dual-wield and 2H equally viable. DW for a faster more spammy gameplay, maybe lean it towards more procs and RNG for the people that like that and 2H for more sustained and streamlined DPS but make them a slower hard hitting monstertruck of damage.

[Hellrime]

Arthas was always a badass to me. He as a DK uses a 2H weapons to bring destruction. Using 2 1handers always seemed strange as a DK.

Technically Frostmourne was a 1-hander, just a big 1-hander.

[Super Kami Dende]

Technically Frostmourne was a 1-hander, just a big 1-hander.

Blizzard classifies it as a 2-hander. So I don't care what you say.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Technically Frostmourne was a 1-hander, just a big 1-hander.

As someone else pointed out, bastard sword (at least during some time periods) is probably more accurate. The game sadly does not feature this weapon category, well not really surprising, since there is barely an ounce of actual swordsmanship in wow if you look at the wild flailing that all characters do when it comes to hitting the enemy.

[Treng]

Don't really get why people want 2H Frost back so badly. That means all of the artifact appearances you've unlocked this xpac will be useless to you. It also seems odd because Frost is so fast and spammy. It would look very strange to see a giant 2H sword being flung around like a twig in order to visually match how many abilities we're actually spamming.

I dont care, either way. I like 'em both. Just don't get the seeming-obsession with it.

I'm into WoW and Death Knights because of the lore. It wasn't until Legion that Death Knights were synonymous with dual wielding, and we were only synonymous to be different, not because of the lore. All impressive Death Knights wield two handers or wielded two handers for far longer than they dual wielded. Thoras Trollbane is a Frost Death Knight in Legion who uses a two handed sword.

I'm fine with not using my artifact skins. I even unlocked the challenge mode ones. I want a two handed sword.

Technically Frostmourne was a 1-hander, just a big 1-hander.

Arthas's book confirms it's a two hander but Arthas is so mighty that he can wield it with one hand anyway. He does so to inspire fear.

[Talon8669]

Add 2 hander as a competitive option to 1 hander, give us slightly better mobility - I will then ditch my hunter and dh and bring back my wotlk frost dk... let the good times roll!

This used to be the case; we could go with either. Everything was fairly even for a while but DW started edging out 2H and blizz just let it go and decided to make frost DW.