"Rent-For-Sex": evil landlords exploit the poor

[Dextroden]

Clearly it doesn't apply in situations where people can afford the rent or have housing alternatives lol.

Then you lose and Nexx lose all your talking points since rent is on the table as an option.

No where can we find in the example where your options only became sex or homeless unless you craft it lime that.

[Jonnusthegreat]

We aren't talking legality we are talking morality. Obviously if prostitution is illegal in your country/state you risk going to prison for it. But if it were legal and you ask for sex as payment there is nothing wrong with that.

It does. That is the key to the argument. If you can't pay and you refuse what the landlord wants, then it is completely moral to evict you.

[Celista]

I'm doing it slowly cause I'm not ending up on the news for killing an old woman with my dick.

People underestimate how hard homelessness sucks. Granted, I wonder what went wrong financially in my life that I can't afford the rent or move elsewhere.

Illness, accident, economic recessions can drain your bank account pretty quickly. Right now in the West we are seeing a lobster in a pot scenario in regards to the decline of quality of life here, most would be blown away to know you could once put yourself through college by working one part-time job (as well as pay your rent) or have a home and support a family while working at a grocery store.

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Then you lose and Nexx lose all your talking points since rent is on the table as an option.

No where can we find in the example where your options only became sex or homeless unless you craft it lime that.

I said it's not on the table as most people would simply pay their rent. Obviously right now it is not a widescale scenario but I am quite sure that people have ended up in such situations with no real alternatives.

[Lazuli]

Where are these landlords? Asking for a friend.

Ditto. I don't see a problem with this at all xD

[Mistame]

The landlord is still taking advantage of the fact that they have no alternative in order to force them to do something they wouldn't normally do.

Force implies a lack of choice. The same choices that existed before sex was put on the table still exist after it is. Your logic is flawed.

But the problem is that if you face sleeping under the bridge, how much autonomy do you have?

More, actually. Because instead of being "forced" to pay the rent, you have an additional option to prevent eviction.

It's threatening them with homelessness if they don't have sex.

No, it's not. The "threat" of homelessness existed prior to sex being an option.

It's literally coercion.

No, it's literally not. Coercion requires explicit threat or force. The landlords aren't saying, "Have sex with me or you'll be evicted", they're saying, "Pay rent or you're evicted. If you can't afford to pay rent, here's another option." It is, however, exploitative in nature, but there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Men "exploit" women with "love", etc, to get ass and women "exploit" men's need for ass to get what they want. /shrug

I doubt it. If it were legal the supply would skyrocket and prices would drop significantly. Demand would likely increase as well I suppose but most guys desperate enough to pay for sex are already doing so regardless of legality. So, supply would go up more than demand I imagine. I mostly would support it being regulated to decrease sex trafficking and for situations like this. It's too easily abusable without such regulations.

For the most part, I agree with you on this. Though an excess of supply is actually a good thing, as it would make them more competitive and would result in higher quality. What I don't agree with is the "desperate" bit. Plenty of men want some occasional companionship without the drama of "feels" and relationships. This isn't desperation, it's efficiency.

[Dextroden]

Illness, accident, economic recessions can drain your bank account pretty quickly. Right now in the West we are seeing a lobster in a pot scenario in regards to the decline of quality of life here, most would be blown away to know you could once put yourself through college by working one part-time job (as well as pay your rent) or have a home and support a family while working at a grocery store.

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I said it's not on the table as most people would simply pay their rent. Obviously right now it is not a widescale scenario but I am quite sure that people have ended up in such situations with no real alternatives.

I have. It's called "Laying sod to cover the 750 I legally owed someone but they offered this instead of immediate eviction or late fees when I was unemployed".

Or, let me guess. I was exploited by the person who did me a favor when they were in the legal right to kick me out?

[Dextroden]

If that option of paying rent exists, it becomes exploitation and they're still soliciting sex which is illegal. If the option isn't there, then it's coercion. If they're unable to pay rent and they're aware of that, then it's still coercion because paying rent isn't an available option.

See? Coercion right into Exploitation.

Hollow and meaningless coming from you.

[Bigbazz]

If I was in that position I'd rather be homeless. It is in fact exploitative if people choosing these options have no alter native, that is the definition of exploitation...do people here not know what the word means....

Well no, it's not exploitation because if you remove the option to pay rent with sex you either end up paying money or you're homeless. It's your choice to be homeless but it's also your choice to sell your body. There doesn't exist a situation here where the person does not pay for rent with either sex or money, it has to be paid or you have to leave, so the sex is merely an option the person chooses to take up as an alternative.

It's not exploitation purely because of that, it's a choice that someone is making.

[Celista]

I have. It's called "Laying sod to cover the 750 I legally owed someone but they offered this instead of immediate eviction or late fees when I was unemployed".

Or, let me guess. I was exploited by the person who did me a favor when they were in the legal right to kick me out?

..do you not know what the definition of exploitation is?

[Najnaj]

It is trading something for sex so it is prostitution. I don't personally have an issue with prostitution I just consider it a job. At the moment it is also often a job with a lot of awful employers and horrible work conditions but that is a different topic. For a rent agreement it is all up to the amount of pressure applied for me.

Do you threaten to kick out a single parent with kids if you don't get sex? If so this is possibly rape.

Are you open and upfront before people move in that this is what you expect? If so I have no real problems given that they have a reasonable choice to live somewhere else.

[Dextroden]

..do you not know what the definition of exploitation is?

Do you or Nexx?

[Celista]

Do you or Nexx?

Yes I already defined it for the thread. You saying that you're not butthurt about the situation does not make a situation non-exploitative.

Something tells me that since you're not here crying about it that you were attracted to the person and offered sex yourself so I somehow doubt your situation is analogous.

[Dextroden]

Yeah, I clarified this a bit. It's only coercion if they know that paying rent isn't an option whether from the landlord not allowing it as an option or the landlord knowing the tenant doesn't have the money since in that case there is no alternative. Now, if they were able to afford it and still offered the option, I wouldn't consider it coercion or exploitative. Maybe arguing coercion would be difficult in the scenario of knowing the person can't pay but still allowing the option. I just don't think it's practically any different considering if it's not a true option because of the lack of funds, how do you know the landlord would actually allow it? Sort of like "I WOULD let you pay rent, but it doesn't seem like you have the money, soo..." If that makes sense.

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It depends. If the task they had you do was severely under compensated then yes, you were exploited. For instance, if you're late on rent and the landlord says "wash my car and I'll give you an extra week" That seems pretty fair if those late fees would cost much more or equivalent to what someone would charge to wash his car. If he were to ask you to do $1000 worth of labor just for a week's extension on rent that cost $500 and he still expected that 500 then that would exploitative.

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Because the fucking scenario changed. Any words can be meaningless when you have a fucking comprehension problem.

No, because you got slapped on it being coercion by multiple people now. Now it's exploitation.

From the start, it has been rent, sex or out. The fact you Celista have to come up with new scenarios points out how you guys are wrong.

[Celista]

No, because you got slapped on it being coercion by multiple people now. Now it's exploitation.

From the start, it has been rent, sex or out. The fact you Celista have to come up with new scenarios points out how you guys are wrong.

What new scenario? Yeah I guess it's a totally novel scenario, having to choose between sex and homelessness. Has definitely never happened before during the history of mankind. *rolls eyes*

[Dextroden]

Yes I already defined it for the thread. You saying that you're not butthurt about the situation does not make a situation non-exploitative.

Something tells me that since you're not here crying about it that you were attracted to the person and offered sex yourself so I somehow doubt your situation is analogous.

No. I'm not crying about it since I didn't end up out a place to live when that person had NO legal obligation to forgive my debt and let me stay.

But, thank you for turning charity into exploitation.

[toxicrusader]

I saw this somewhere else...

Isn't that a porn channel or something?

Guess life imitates art, like it's said.

Sorry about the dubious humor, but someone had to do it.

[Dextroden]

What new scenario? Yeah I guess it's a totally novel scenario, having to choose between sex and homelessness. Has definitely never happened before during the history of mankind. *rolls eyes*

See? You dropped the part about paying rent again. You keep framing it as the only choice is sex.

I wonder why.

[Bigbazz]

Having a choice doesn't make something not exploitative.

It's only exploitation if the option to pay rent is removed in favour of sex, otherwise it's merely an option that could save someone from being homeless. Otherwise you might as well be saying that landlords should let people stay in their places without paying just out of the kindness of their hearts, in which case we can discuss whether the tenant is exploiting the landlord.

[Dextroden]

Because different scenarios are either exploitative or coercion. Jesus fucking christ dude I'm not sure how else to explain this to you. If you're being threatened with an illegal act it's coercion. If you're being threatened with a legal act but it's unfair, it's exploitative. I've said this several times now and you continue to fail to grasp it.

No you haven't. You had to spin up the illegal thing.

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It's only exploitation if the option to pay rent is removed in favour of sex, otherwise it's merely an option that could save someone from being homeless. Otherwise you might as well be saying that landlords should let people stay in their places without paying just out of the kindness of their hearts, in which case we can discuss whether the tenant is exploiting the landlord.

At this rate, we should expect both of them to define paying rent is exploitation.

[Celista]

No. I'm not crying about it since I didn't end up out a place to live when that person had NO legal obligation to forgive my debt and let me stay.

But, thank you for turning charity into exploitation.

Again, if you made the decision to have sex with someone when you would not have if you could afford rent, then you not crying about it doesn't mean it is not exploitation. But maybe that's too hard for you to admit to yourself, or you like the idea of being taken advantage of. Shrug.

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See? You dropped the part about paying rent again. You keep framing it as the only choice is sex.

I wonder why.

I have been talking about the same thing all along, I'm not sure what you're going on about.