Poll: Borders or Welfare?

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    Open borders OR Welfare?

    One of the toughest questions to ask is how much we are willing to spend on welfare for adults vs how much we are willing to open our borders to immigration. In American past, there was almost no welfare and we also didn't have a formal immigration system. In 1924, Americans started putting quotas on immigration and later in the 40s we greatly increased our welfare state.

    Welfare for adults acts as a huge incentive for people to immigrate here.

    So my question I want to pose is this? Generally do you support more welfare? More open borders? Neither? etc etc

    If you put "Something else" please be specific. Otherwise just use a broad option in the poll.
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    Open borders is bullshit, too much welfare is bullshit as well.

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    Populations always grow faster than available jobs. Basic income should be available and supplied to anyone who cannot find suitable work or full time work imo.
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    Nobody that isn't an anarchist supports open borders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Player Twelve View Post
    Open borders is bullshit, too much welfare is bullshit as well.
    basically this

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    I added the poll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Nobody that isn't an anarchist supports open borders.
    Before 1924, the only requirement to immigrate to the US was a literacy test. It was open borders.
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    Don’t see a point to open borders. People should be taken care of if they are down on there luck, if a country won’t take care of its people then why should thoses people pay taxes and contribute to that country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turlockmike View Post
    One of the toughest questions to ask is how much we are willing to spend on welfare for adults vs how much we are willing to open our borders to immigration. In American past, there was almost no welfare and we also didn't have a formal immigration system. In 1924, Americans started putting quotas on immigration and later in the 40s we greatly increased our welfare state.

    Welfare for adults acts as a huge incentive for people to immigrate here.

    So my question I want to pose is this? Generally do you support more welfare? More open borders? Neither? etc etc
    I disagree with your premise. However, I would support open borders with 2016 era immigration review standards, and increasing current welfare programs.

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    Club of Rome came to conclusion that any nation that bases itself on continuous growth is destined to break apart, sustainability can only be achieved with less population growth.

    Neither.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turlockmike View Post
    Before 1924, the only requirement to immigrate to the US was a literacy test. It was open borders.
    Sorry, I was under the impression this is 2018 and not 1924.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Sorry, I was under the impression this is 2018 and not 1924.
    [Current Year] argument doesn't change the fact that people used to believe this.
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    I’d take open borders, freedom is awesome.

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    I'm fine with welfare, it's the right thing to do within reason. That being said, open borders are fine too as long as you're willing to do proper vetting and have properly funded border security, as well as a reasonable path to citizenship. We seem to lack most of those unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelk View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uoyredrum View Post
    I'm fine with welfare, it's the right thing to do within reason. That being said, open borders are fine too as long as you're willing to do proper vetting and have properly funded border security, as well as a reasonable path to citizenship. We seem to lack most of those unfortunately.
    How do you prevent a massive amount of people immigrating solely for the purpose of collecting welfare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prabog View Post
    Which flavor of Marxism are you?
    I'll give you a minute while you try and grasp that a proper Marxist state would have neither open borders, nor welfare programs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by turlockmike View Post
    How do you prevent a massive amount of people immigrating solely for the purpose of collecting welfare?
    If you've got open borders, you want immigration. This is like asking "but if you win the lottery, how do you prevent your wallet from filling with cash?"


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