Why Do The Alliance Zones Suck Compared To The Horde Ones?

[Shakou]

I never got the impression Preach was trying to make it a faction war. He played both sides and thought one really needed some work. If anything, he is trying to do Alliance players a favor by getting that zone improved. What's wrong with that?

Lol this guy is not rational at all. I've seen this before, in the elementary school cafeteria:

Kid 1: What did you get for lunch?
Kid 2: I got a steak and baked potato! What did you get?
Kid 1: I just got a this Chunk Light Tuna sandwich on soggy bread with wilted lettuce on it and some 3 day old coleslaw, and this pickle.
Kid 2: That sucks, sorry to hear about that.
Kid 1: Ya my mom says she doesn't have the time or money to make anything better and tells me I should get a job even tho I'm only 8 years old.
Kid 2: Wow, my mom actually made this steak for me just the way I like it right before I went off to school this morning. It's not perfect tho, it's a little tough, but it's def not a Chunk Light Tuna Sandwich on soggy bread with wilted lettuce, that's really rough!
Kid 1: You're just Horde biased fucking know-it-all loud mouth, how dare you say my Chunk Light Tuna Sandwish on soggy bread with wilted lettuce is not as good as your steak! Eat shit!

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

That is what he should have reported. Zones that are incomplete and need work. Not Alliance or horde preferance BS. Keep the childish banter in check and report on facts.

What about a zone that appears to be complete but clearly needs work? Players on the test realm need to offer feedback on that as well, perhaps even more so.

[Zoibert the Bear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W2udtkj-uA

Preach doesn't like the alliance zones and neither do other content creators apparently. He goes into detail as to why the alliance stuff is alot weaker. What's going on with the zone discrepancy? Why are the alliance getting shafted in the quality of there quest content? Are the alliance zones actually better than the video says? If not, What can be done to improve it?

Notes:

- The alliance zones might be light, happy, and non immersive because the alliance is mostly played by children
- The Alliance Zone is Disconnected
- Preach hated Tirigarde Sound so much he turned the game off and refused to play it.
- Tirigarde is full of filler side quests that have no long story. Boring quests.
- The main Story in Tirigarde is short and completely boring.
- Drustvar's story isn't compelling
- Zuldazar has 8 hours of content
- Nazmir has characters you care about
- The alliance characters are weak and not worth giving a shit about
- The alliancer zones repeat themselves
- The horde zones tie into future content. Alliance doesnt.
- The Alliance are picking up the trash. Lame quests
- One of the primary alliance characters is a Disney Ripoff
- Alliance gameplay is full of repetitive stuff like Vanilla. Boring and Tedias
- In Drustvar Preach and co made a mocking joke about a repeat quest in Drustvar.
- A bunch of duplicate quests in Alliance zones. Preach doesn't think it's placehold. "This stuff is NOT placeholder."
- Alliance has slow escort quests. 4 to 5 minutes long. Horde has none
- Most of the Alliance quests are monotonous and repeated story reasons
- He Believes that Blizzard needs to address this copy paste gameplay
- There may be significantly more horde people than alliance. Maybe they got lazy with alliance because people dont play alliance.

Are you accusing anyone of coming up with repetitive content? Are you being purposely sarcastic here?

[Siglius]

I admit that I did not read all 10 pages of this thread, but my personal take on it is thusly: I have no idea who this entitled, childish 'Preach' person is, but I would assume there is only so much one can do with humans. The Horde races have always been much more interesting/intriguing because there is so much more to them spiritually and philosophically. This is why I have 30 lvl 110 Horde troll toons, but no Alliance ones. Elves, dwarves, and mankind- how many times can you have the same stories, feelings, and thoughts? Monster races, on the other hand, are always so much more unique.

For example, we shall use orcs. Warhammer orcs, JRRTolkien orcs, and Warcraft orcs are all very different! Their cultures, concepts, and societies could not be further from each other. However, the humans? They are all much more bland. Sure, their hometowns will have different names, but in the end, they are predictably human (unless they are undead, like Forsaken, and then they suddenly gain more depth). More to your OP, the Zandalari will be the first time that non-troll enthusiast, role players and aficionados (of which, I am all three), will finally have a look at the Loa, the troll societies, and better than that, we get to see a troll culture that has hardly changed in 16,000 years! For people like me, this will be exciting. For the humans, you will enjoy your pirates and sausages, but humans are humans.

TLDR: Stop playing one-dimensional species and play something with unique flavor. Also, I would not take the opinions of an online personality (especially one so dramatic), and instead, I would invite you to form your own coherent thoughts. (I shall add, I see the irony in the last statement, but I stand by it.)

It's my way of telling you to stop making snide comments and actually consider the points on their own merits, do a bit of research, and see if he has any points you agree with. If not, then that's fine. You'll be better informed. Now, I just found another Drustvar stream, one that should be a later patch with a bit new content. Let's see how this goes.


They aren't placeholders. That isn't to say that they aren't subject to change. It's Alpha. Everything is subject to change. However, "placeholder" is a word with a distinct meaning. A placeholder only exists to hold a place. It's a grey item without a name that sells for a penny, quest text that says "just go here and kill boars, actual text will be put in later", or scrolling text instead of a cinematic which just says "Imagine cool shit here".

There are placeholders in the Alpha. Drustvar's questing is too complete to be a placeholder. It could still be changed. Previous zones that had some amount of complete content were changed in alpha or beta. Warlords of Draenor lost significant portions of its content, for instance. As previous people have mentioned, Jade forest was changed.

Right now we have a zone that more or less needs nothing but a little polish to be 100% finished. However, it needs some actual revision to be as good as it could be.

I don't care about faction bias here. I don't want idiots to use this to scream about the Horde or Alliance.



That's pretty much exactly it. Drustvar has almost everything it needs to be awesome. There are some cool quests mixed in here and there. But there are parts where it gets really weak.

I agree with this 100% Drustvar gets sorta repetitive throughout the middle of the zone. Outside of that it's great. Tirigarde is so unfinished it doesn't seem worth to discuss and most the critisism of the zone regarding collect quests are all side quests anyway.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

Being right about something doesn't give him the right to push his horde bias on others and pass it as unbiased. The problem is not that the quests may not be finished yet, the problem is his video is not about that. It's about why he thinks blizzard cares about horde more than alliance. That is absolute idiocy when we are in alpha. It's a childish overeaction.

No offense, but your comment here is more like a childish over reaction. All Preach did was what he is supposed to do as someone on the alpha - point out something he believes needs fixing. If he is right - and others seem to agree with him - it is to our advantage that he draw as much attention to this as he can because only this kind of clamor is likely to get Blizz's attention. And that's the goal here: not to argue about which fan base is better (most of us play both factions, don't we?), but to encourage Blizz to give both zones a quality story.

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I wonder if the difference between the teams is kind of like the difference between a lot of players. Some of us are very much into story and lore, but we all know that many players aren't. Many players - perfectly nice people, some of my raid mates fit this description - never even read the quests and care only about how fast they can finish them.

Now IF it just happened to work out that people assigned to write the Alliance zones tend to play the game with that latter attitude, they might have thought they were doing a fine job by writing it the way they did. They may even think their writing is better by not taking itself too seriously and by streamlining the leveling by keeping the quests simple and repetitive.

I don't know any of this to be true, but the reviews we are hearing make me wonder.

[Elba]

That is what he should have reported. Zones that are incomplete and need work. Not Alliance or horde preferance BS. Keep the childish banter in check and report on facts.

That is literally what he reported. Maybe watch the video.

[Deleted]

The reviews I've heard so far don't have anything to do with whether you prefer one aesthetic or the other; they are about the quests. Apparently, the horde quest line has a more compelling story, while the Alliance story peters out and devolves into random errands. Haven't played it myself, but that is what we are hearing.

That is because the main story line on Zandalar takes place in Zuldazar and Nazmir. Both zones we already kinda know.

The main story of Kul Tiras takes place in Boralus and Stormsong Valley. Stormsong Valley we don't know at all yet.

Vol'dun will be kinda the same like Drustvar.

It is pretty obvious for example, that the Ashvane story will continue in Stormsong Valley, with the corrupted sea priests who allied with Azshara and became faceless, as well as Ashvane and her pirate armies, who allied with Azshara. Jaina will probably play a role in Stormsong Valley and probably later too.

Thats something all these alliance whiner ignore completely. Which gives me the impression, that a certain, loud kind of alliance players simply like to throw a tantrum and whine about everything. The story of the alliance is bad, although we don't know a large part yet, the new races suck because alliance player x says so, Horde can't have nice things because Alliance doesn't grant it too them. These kind of alliance player deserve it, that Stormwind gets destroyed by the Horde and on its foundations, the Horde constructs New Orgrimmar. That would be a proper reward for all this pathetic, nauseating behaviour.

[SkyTides]

The points made are pretty valid to me. especially the breaking into freehold bit - seems like a wasted opportunity, plus 2 boring escort quests.

To have a story on one side which lacks tension, intrigue or excitement is pretty unbalanced. We know Blizzard can do better than this and it should be fed back

[Siglius]

The points made are pretty valid to me. especially the breaking into freehold bit - seems like a wasted opportunity, plus 2 boring escort quests.

To have a story on one side which lacks tension, intrigue or excitement is pretty unbalanced. We know Blizzard can do better than this and it should be fed back

It don't get the focus on those escort quests it's 2 out of like 200 quests and one of them is a sidequest that you don't have to do for the main story.

[Enosh]

ITT: people who don't play the alpha and didn't watch video thinking they knew better than someone who did play it

It don't get the focus on those escort quests it's 2 out of like 200 quests and one of them is a sidequest that you don't have to do for the main story.

escort quest are slow and generally disliked, they are the bottom of the barrel "we don't know what else to put in here" the fact that the alliance has two of them says a lot about how much the devs care (or rather don't care) about the gaming experience of the players

[xpose]

"Why do the zones suck for alliance"

Well they are humans so what exactly can make them exciting vs a troll tribe with dinosaurs?

[Steampunkette]

ITT: people who don't play the alpha and didn't watch video thinking they knew better than someone who did play it


escort quest are slow and generally disliked, they are the bottom of the barrel "we don't know what else to put in here" the fact that the alliance has two of them says a lot about how much the devs care (or rather don't care) about the gaming experience of the players

Or it has to do with delivering the story at a pacing the devs prefer in 2 whole quests.

Like. Geeze, guys. It's 2 quests out of the 2 zones that have been released so far. Calm your tits.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

That is because the main story line on Zandalar takes place in Zuldazar and Nazmir. Both zones we already kinda know.

The main story of Kul Tiras takes place in Boralus and Stormsong Valley. Stormsong Valley we don't know at all yet.

Vol'dun will be kinda the same like Drustvar.

It is pretty obvious for example, that the Ashvane story will continue in Stormsong Valley, with the corrupted sea priests who allied with Azshara and became faceless, as well as Ashvane and her pirate armies, who allied with Azshara. Jaina will probably play a role in Stormsong Valley and probably later too.

Thats something all these alliance whiner ignore completely. Which gives me the impression, that a certain, loud kind of alliance players simply like to throw a tantrum and whine about everything. The story of the alliance is bad, although we don't know a large part yet, the new races suck because alliance player x says so, Horde can't have nice things because Alliance doesn't grant it too them. These kind of alliance player deserve it, that Stormwind gets destroyed by the Horde and on its foundations, the Horde constructs New Orgrimmar. That would be a proper reward for all this pathetic, nauseating behaviour.

This just in: Alliance players and Horde players are the same players, just on different alts.

[Deleted]

That is what he should have reported. Zones that are incomplete and need work. Not Alliance or horde preferance BS. Keep the childish banter in check and report on facts.

Aint that pretty much what he said tho?

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How the zones look isn't the point. The Horde getting a coherent, epic storyline while the Alliance get jumbled hubs collecting bear asses is.

This @Nemmar.

Pretty much sums up the video. And he is pointing out all the time that its unfinished and alpha.
And that it is still worrisome.

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I never got the impression Preach was trying to make it a faction war. He played both sides and thought one really needed some work. If anything, he is trying to do Alliance players a favor by getting that zone improved. What's wrong with that?

And this.

/10char

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That is literally what he reported. Maybe watch the video.

Cant belive im agreeing with you.

[KrakHed]

Vol'dun will be kinda the same like Drustvar.

The datamined quest text seems to suggest that Vol'dun is going to build up into a recreation of the ancient Troll wars, with Aqir, a giant C'thraxxi being revived to lead them, an Old God hood named Xal'zaix similarly titled to the famous Xal'atath and Xal'atoh, and Princess Talanji riding with the Loa against them. The General Jakra'zet, who resents the Horde for crushing his people in Zul'Farrak is siding with the Sethrak to put this all in motion.

By all signs, Vol'dun is just as huge a part of the story as all the rest. In fact, it seems like it's where an important part of the climax is taking place.

"Why do the zones suck for alliance"

Well they are humans so what exactly can make them exciting vs a troll tribe with dinosaurs?

Do you know how often I see people on these forums or the story forums talk about the Drust as if they're actually cool? When actually probed about it, they admit that they're mostly pulling the cool ideas out of their ass for a race that has less compelling lore than the Gnolls.

Something about the Drust clearly has a chance to be cool and memorable, but they aren't used that way. People clearly want them to be cool and memorable, but they aren't used that way. There's currently a thread up that's suggesting they be an allied race, despite them only having minimal lore that's all extremely shallow, because people seem to see the potential for something really cool there. People see them as a race that a very compelling story could be told with.

Yet since Blizzard isn't telling that story, it seems that they're making it up themselves.

[Deleted]

I never got the impression Preach was trying to make it a faction war. He played both sides and thought one really needed some work. If anything, he is trying to do Alliance players a favor by getting that zone improved. What's wrong with that?

Honestly... look at the thumbnail. Orcs vs Humans. Why though? Whole narrative is why is horde stuff better? It's a shit show as talisen would say. It's a biased video for clicks. This bellular, Kalani, prove that horde fans are the truly the childish ones.

[KrakHed]

Honestly... look at the thumbnail. Orcs vs Humans. Why though? Whole narrative is why is horde stuff better? It's a shit show as talisen would say. It's a biased video for clicks. This bellular, Kalani, prove that horde fans are the truly the childish ones.

I watched Bellular's video, and he said nothing substantial. Also, why the fuck would Preach make a video giving feedback to try and improve a zone if he was really just trying to shit on the faction? You're taking idle speculation way too hard. This is why I fucking hate the faction war. You can't even talk to people.

[Deleted]

Man you are completely ridiculous, the vast majority of players do not give one solid fuck about this shit. Just the few and far between Alliance players that roleplay being part of their faction in real life and take it all entirely too far.

That is exactly what i want to see, but it wasn't what we saw.

Leave the kiddy faction war where the sun don't shine. Don't use it for clicks or dumb narritives. Behave like an adult. Alliance fans are not to blame here, they didn't make videos touting horde for Void elves when that got released for example or how their racials are better. This type of juvenile thing only comes from horde fans, and i'm not having it.
Want to be taken seriously? Behave like an adult.

[KrakHed]

That is exactly what i want to see, but it wasn't what we saw.

Leave the kiddy faction war where the sun don't shine. Don't use it for clicks or dumb narritives. Behave like an adult. Alliance fans are not to blame here, they didn't make videos touting horde for Void elves when that got released for example or how their racials are better. This type of juvenile thing only comes from horde fans, and i'm not having it.
Want to be taken seriously? Behave like an adult.

Except that you're the one bringing it up and getting extremely offended for the sake of your faction, rather than paying attention to the important bits.

[Deleted]

I watched Bellular's video, and he said nothing substantial. Also, why the fuck would Preach make a video giving feedback to try and improve a zone if he was really just trying to shit on the faction? You're taking idle speculation way too hard. This is why I fucking hate the faction war. You can't even talk to people.

We have something in common, i hate it too. But you can't see the bias presumably cause you prefer horde and don't even see how that crap is all subjective. Making videos saying: "Oh Blizz just likes horde better thats why they get stuff" and "Oh the horde characters are more interesting cause i say so". Those are agendas and i'm not interested in them. Keep your biases to yourselves.