Racist is claiming that MATH is... racist?

[Uncle]

Science is white, science is racist ! Proof !

[AeneasBK]

And what the fuck does she mean by "things cannot be known objectively and they must be known subjectively". What the fuck does that even mean?

I mean, in this context it may seem like an odd thing to say; but I think the meaning of that statement is pretty clear-cut?

[Post]

It makes students uncomfortable at times, but seriously, that's the world and there's a teachable moment about privilege.

That has nothing to do with privilege and race has no place in math...

It's also interesting that you consider having formulas named after white people being a "teachable moment about privilege," and then when it's an Indian it's a "positive conversation about race."

Man I'm glad I finished school before this shit started happening.

[Garnier Fructis]

Arabs did not contribute toward math. They spread it around though. Most Islamic world achievement is math came from Persians. And From India after invasion or through merchants.

Please don't rewrite the history of mathematics to satisfy your own biases.

[Mihalik]

The video probably isn't intended for you. People like the author of the ridiculous article in the OP likely weren't the intended audience of a highly technical argument. Clearly it isn't a publicly digestible argument as it comes off as word salad.

The post modern sociological analysis of the sciences is ridiculed because it has repeatedly been proven to be mostly gibberish that even people who are supposedly are "in the know" don't really understand at all.

As it has been so painfully demonstrated by the Sokal Affair.

The criticism of abstract mathematics not having "real life" applications purely comes from people that a) never paid attention in math class, b) people who for various reasons never connected personally with math or chosen to further their education in fields that have no applications for it (despite of the fact that many social studies require people to take statistics, they still somehow manage to graduate without actually understanding the subject).

Absolutely nothing you learn in math during the first 10 to 12 years of your education is superfluous. The applications are all around you on a daily basis, people just chose not to use it, because you can get away with not using it by downloading a couple of apps, using a calculator or cheaply hiring a "specialist".

The "I can't do my taxes or balance my account" doesn't have anything to do with mathematics and is a compounded problem between the complexity of highly specialized modern legal systems and the highly opaque and complex nature of the financial sector. It has nothing to do with mathematics. A 6th grader has been taught everything required to calculate your taxes and balance your accounts from a purely mathematical stand-point.

Now you can have a conversation about better explaining to people what are the applications of the math they are studying, but that doesn't have single damn thing to do with race.

But I want to swing back a bit to the whole "this realm of thought doesn't make sense to outsiders" and that "it's highly technical". It doesn't make sense to outsiders because it fails basic logic checks and is based on a in-group quasi philosophical consensus that is borderline religious in its requirement to suspend observational evidence and its obsession with subjective belief.

The "highly technical" jargon it uses, is there to give it an appearance of legitimacy and borrows from scientific terminology for that reason, but it neither understands or uses it correctly.

It's in essence the same thing Creationists do with the word "theory", just that they use it to delegitimize science, instead of adopting the terminology to legitimize their make belief nonsense.

So, if all you are doing is a make-belief circle jerk that isn't intended for or comprehensible to anyone who isn't in your make-belief club, do not apply that incomprehensible nonsense to something as important as....How we structure and approach education.

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Her idea is pretty stupid.



I really hope the first sentence I quoted here is sarcasm, because most mathematicians are liberal.

Nobody is liberal enough for the SJW

[Mihalik]

I mean, in this context it may seem like an odd thing to say; but I think the meaning of that statement is pretty clear-cut?

The problem is with the "knowing subjectively" part which is in essence nonsense, and with the claim that there are no objective truths. Like you know....Gravity.

[Priestiality]

Well, I may have said the wrong group. But the Japanese removed his like woman studies, etc, because of the repurcussions in other countries like South Korea, US and Canada.

Considering the state of Japanese society I'm not entirely convinced that's a good thing. You're praising a country in which their young people don't even socialize anymore and they're experiencing negative population growth because of that and strict immigration laws.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Science is white, science is racist ! Proof !

I can totally do understand why this child would say this. Even though she is wrong. I do blame racist for this kind of warped nonsense.

Racism, sexism or any isms belong in science or math. But laugh all you want she isn’t any more confused than white Supremacist.

[Mihalik]

Well, I may have said the wrong group. But the Japanese removed his like woman studies, etc, because of the repurcussions in other countries like South Korea, US and Canada.

Japan is in example to follow in absolutely fucking nothing, when it comes to social structure and development, as it is a slow moving train crash in full HD, where the severity of the crisis is obscured by how slow moving it is.

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I can totally do understand why this child would say this. Even though she is wrong. I do blame racist for this kind of warped nonsense.

Racism, sexism or any isms belong in science or math. But laugh all you want she isn’t any more confused than white Supremacist.

Huh? So do -isms belong or not in science? And what the hell does her insane New Age Post Colonial (which by the way is a completely western construct) nonsense have to do with white supremacists?

The Deutsche Pysik went the way the of the dinosaur as soon as the Nazis needed to...you know...do physics for the war effort.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Japan is in example to follow in absolutely fucking nothing, when it comes to social structure and development, as it is a slow moving train crash in full HD, where the severity of the crisis is obscured by how slow moving it is.

I don’t know Mihalik you seem to have a great instincts but on this I have to admit I’m baffled by you here. Japan is one of the few countries where I see shops openly displaying their merchandise on the street without fear of it being stolen at all. That’s pretty damn impressive for a major city.

[grexly75]

And one surely highly accomplished in their field of expertise. Of course they are not using racist math to design the rockets, but culture-appropriate math only. Though I heard they still have some problems with getting the rocket to space due to this racist thing some white guy made called: *TRIGGER WARNING* "Gravity"

Actually the rocket won't even lift off and is looking for a safe space because it claims it is being oppressed by gravity..

[Doctor Amadeus]

Japan is in example to follow in absolutely fucking nothing, when it comes to social structure and development, as it is a slow moving train crash in full HD, where the severity of the crisis is obscured by how slow moving it is.

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Huh? So do -isms belong or not in science? And what the hell does her insane New Age Post Colonial (which by the way is a completely western construct) nonsense have to do with white supremacists?

The Deutsche Pysik went the way the of the dinosaur as soon as the Nazis needed to...you know...do physics for the war effort.

Sorry I mean isms “don’t” belong in science.* Because science has been used as a tool for hate and oppression by very stupid people that’s why. This woman is part of the result from that.

Science is knowledge and a process. She doesn’t know that because nobody taught her.

[Macaquerie]

I don’t know Mihalik you seem to have a great instincts but on this I have to admit I’m baffled by you here. Japan is one of the few countries where I see shops openly displaying their merchandise on the street without fear of it being stolen at all. That’s pretty damn impressive for a major city.

Seriously? You can find open air markets just about everywhere, and generally speaking stealing random trinkets is usually more trouble than it's worth, you don't need some draconian set of social norms to prevent that.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Seriously? You can find open air markets just about everywhere, and generally speaking stealing random trinkets is usually more trouble than it's worth, you don't need some draconian set of social norms to prevent that.

Nooo noo I mean like actual shops like freely and without worrying have displays out. Or when Japan had that major Earthquake did you see how calm and orderly these people were?

[Mihalik]

I don’t know Mihalik you seem to have a great instincts but on this I have to admit I’m baffled by you here. Japan is one of the few countries where I see shops openly displaying their merchandise on the street without fear of it being stolen at all. That’s pretty damn impressive for a major city.

Where do you live? Like seriously? Have you ever been to a ...market or a fair...or a public trade show?

Allow me to introduce you to a flea market in New York City.



Or this street market in Spain.



Alas, low crime rates have very little to do with social development, and are mostly about income levels. If we say low crime rates are the byproduct of a successful society we might as well start chopping thief's hands off and take most legal rights away from women, after all the Saudis have next to no petty crime, clearly their society is a great success. Everything is super calm and orderly.

[Deleted]

This is the tried and true way a lot of postmodernism sounds. Say something so “profound” sounding, and then when no one gets it because it’s BS, tell them “you don’t get it”.

A good video about that here:
https://youtu.be/jcTUihJS3KI

Yup. "Emperor's new clothes" all over again, as usual with everything that those pseudointellectuals ever manage to poop out.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Where do you live? Like seriously? Have you ever been to a ...market or a fair...or a public trade show?

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Or this street market in Spain.

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Alas, low crime rates have very little to do with social development, and are mostly about income levels. If we say low crime rates are the byproduct of a successful society we might as well start chopping thief's hands off and take most legal rights away from women, after all the Saudis have next to no petty crime, clearly their society is a great success. Everything is super calm and orderly.

Sure temporary events not year round shops. And Minnesota has low crime. But even during festivals someone’s keeping an eye on things. In Japan they just seem to leave it out.

But anyways my point is socially that pretty damn impressive.

[Mihalik]

Sure temporary events not year round shops. And Minnesota has low crime. But even during festivals someone’s keeping an eye on things. In Japan they just seem to leave it out.

But anyways my point is socially that pretty damn impressive.

Neither are the New York markets or the European markets "temporary". Once again, you have an extremely warped view of public safety. I have been to Japan, the general public safety is completely unremarkable when compared to places like Switzerland, The Hamptons, Amsterdam, Madrid, Dubai or Seoul. Do you notice a trend there? High income. How that public safety is achieved varies, it could be strict policing or honor systems, the end result is the same, the incentive to commit a crime is low.

Also the lack of public safety in Japan manifests itself differently via aspects tourists or even foreigners living there might not be exposed to...like CHILD PROSTITUTION, and illegal gambling which are while technically illegal are rampant and almost completely ignored by the authorities. I don't know about you, but I prefer the occasional shop lifter over the "occasional" child prostitute.

Japanese public safety is neither exceptional or particularity high when compared to countries with similar income levels. On the other hand the widespread child prostitution problem is outstandingly and exceptionally problematic when compared to countries with similar income levels. As is their ridiculous suicide rates, levels of social isolation, mental illness, rampant and furious sexism both in private life and public life and especially at the work place. Then you have the birthrate issue and the utterly unsustainable public debt which will sooner or later implode (the Japanese know this too, at this point it's not a question of economics, but a question of demographics).

You seem to suffer from a bit of weeabooism. Which funny enough is one of the age old Western racist tropes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism

[Daethz]

Don't worry, her incredible racism will just turn even more people to the Right side.