China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

[Darkis]

Well, ya could actually research how this works, realize the system isn't in place and nobody really knows how it may end up working, but there is so far no indication other than Hubcap's obsession that anyone gives a damn what gets written in Gen-OT on a foreign site. Oh, and the minor inconvenience that I'm not Chinese and so it isn't going to apply to me because I just don't have a Chinese ID number.

Tbh, it was just a joke.

[Annamarine]

I feel like I have fallen into a episode of dark mirror

[valax]

What is the Chinese 'social credit' system?

If you post something positive about China on a foreign forum you get plus points but if you post something negative you get minus points. The score also affects your family and people you know, if you associate with someone with a low social score, your score is lowered too.

Banning people from trains is just the start.






https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN1GS10S

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China said it will begin applying its so-called social credit system to flights and trains and stop people who have committed misdeeds from taking such transport for up to a year.
Passengers wait to board trains ahead of the Chinese Lunar New Year, at Nanjing Railway Station in Jiangsu province, China January 31, 2018. China Daily via REUTERS

People who would be put on the restricted lists included those found to have committed acts like spreading false information about terrorism and causing trouble on flights, as well as those who used expired tickets or smoked on trains, according to two statements issued on the National Development and Reform Commission’s website on Friday.

Those found to have committed financial wrongdoings, such as employers who failed to pay social insurance or people who have failed to pay fines, would also face these restrictions, said the statements which were dated March 2.

It added that the rules would come into effect on May 1.

The move is in line with President’s Xi Jinping’s plan to construct a social credit system based on the principle of “once untrustworthy, always restricted”, said one of the notices which was signed by eight ministries, including the country’s aviation regulator and the Supreme People’s Court.

China has flagged plans to roll out a system that will allow government bodies to share information on its citizens’ trustworthiness and issue penalties based on a so-called social credit score.

However, there are signs that the use of social credit scoring on domestic transport could have started years ago. In early 2017, the country’s Supreme People’s Court said during a press conference that 6.15 million Chinese citizens had been banned from taking flights for social misdeeds.

well , only nice things were to expected from a president who managed to get lifelong charge , uh?

[oplawlz]

That's one of OP's personal obsessions. He trots out every possible rehash of the words social credit and then proceeds to scramble them up as in this example. That particular claim has been repeatedly debunked, but he thinks it is cute. Pull up any of his past threads on this.

Says the person from China who I assume wants to be able to use public transport.

[shadowmouse]

You seem awefully misinformed about China

Psssst. Go back and look at "Location" for bungee. Been here 18 years now, what are your qualifications?

there can't be many falun gong practitioners left to false imprison

However they try to appear outside of China, the ones I've met here have been on the far side of creepy. I'm familiar with the founder's early writings, and they are an affront to the serious study of Chinese internal martial arts. I met one of the "oppressed" pamphlet distributors. She homed in on the foreigner with her basket of books, all in Chinese. I have little patience for Moonies and Hare Krishnas as well, but I tried to be polite. I observed that I didn't read Chinese and was told that the founder was a "very special" person. If I would just donate, I could have some books, and if I just looked at his picture I could understand his heart and the meaning of the text. Exit bungee. A couple of years later I had a very upset student come to me after one of their teachers jumped ship. It seems that right before the teacher left, apparently because her membership was about to come out, she took my (female) student up to her apartment, tried to get her drunk (do not try to get Mongolian girls drunk, it just doesn't work), started with the cult stuff, then moved on to porn and put the moves on her. As far as I can tell, they earn the cult designation, and if they're your source for information you may want to look for something more balanced.

Says the person from China

Ah, more quality research. Kindly learn the difference between "from" and "living in". You'll find the answer in my response the the last person to float something like this. You do, however, provide a nice example of why stories like this keep getting spun the way they do. It means any dumbass claim about China should be accepted, because -- gosh -- anyone who would contradict it must be trying to garner favor.

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China promoting obedience to the State.

Think of your expedian credit number, then add in your amazon purchasing history, throw in all your social media, then all of your debit/credit card spending, mix that in with your ID. Go outside and you are in the video camera dragnet where facial recognition algorithms will match video footage of your face to your photo in a national ID and watch who you meet and where you go.

And thank our tech overlords for this great gosplan 2.0.

And dont think this isnt heading west/already here.

[Sky High]

yeah totalitarianism! at least it's not sharia law!

[The Stormbringer]

well , only nice things were to expected from a president who managed to get lifelong charge , uh?

I can honestly and wholeheartedly say 'fuck that guy' for making himself dictator for life in China. And also Trump for congratulations him and talking about 'trying' the same thing in America 'someday'.

[Fat Mac]

i feel like an episode of black mirror is coming on...

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this reminds me of episodes from "black mirrior" and one from "the orville". Social status measured and actual governmental meting of judgment is dished out. At least how these societies could begin.

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it already was one!

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[Themius]

This is literally like that black mirror social rating episode.

[valax]

I can honestly and wholeheartedly say 'fuck that guy' for making himself dictator for life in China. And also Trump for congratulations him and talking about 'trying' the same thing in America 'someday'.

Well the chinese people brought that upon themselves , since it appears the change to the constitution was the result of a plebiscite .
I think we don't have to fear for that in the USA since with his changing stance on the 2nd amendment he's losing even that small republican support that he had from the people

[shadowmouse]

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Remember, it works like this ...

John Spartan: [to machine on wall after finding out that they no longer use toilet paper] Thanks a lot you shit-brained, fuck-faced, ball breaking, duck fucking pain in the ass.

Moral Statute Machine: John Spartan, you are fined five credits for repeated violations of the verbal morality statute.

John Spartan: [grabbing the tickets] So much for the seashells. See you in a few minutes.

[ifrah]

Just as the so called "anti-corruption" sweeps, this surely has something more behind than just to encourage in a slightly more motivating manner proper behavior for people. In case you didn't know anything about China, TLDR: just another misleadingly named scheme to restrict and control people the government doesn't like, for whatever reasons. Spice up enough with some obvious looking cases in enough quantities, and the real agenda is lost in the noise.

[LMuhlen]

I feel like I have fallen into a episode of dark mirror

Are we avoiding the use of some words? You can also say African American Mirror.

[SolSphere]

Are we avoiding the use of some words? You can also say African American Mirror.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand the point of this post. The show is called Black Mirror. He obviously misremembered/mistyped. Why are you going off in this direction... Not really called for.

[LMuhlen]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand the point of this post. The show is called Black Mirror. He obviously misremembered/mistyped. Why are you going off in this direction... Not really called for.

Eh, after the tenth Black Mirror joke in two pages, I may have tried to make a joke about the joke.

[LMuhlen]

Which one? I haven’t seen them all and am curious. The Orville episode was enteraining so I’d love to see how Black Mirror told a similar story.

I believe it is Season 3, episode 1... can't check right now, though.

[P for Pancetta]

Psssst. Go back and look at "Location" for bungee. Been here 18 years now, what are your qualifications?



However they try to appear outside of China, the ones I've met here have been on the far side of creepy. I'm familiar with the founder's early writings, and they are an affront to the serious study of Chinese internal martial arts. I met one of the "oppressed" pamphlet distributors. She homed in on the foreigner with her basket of books, all in Chinese. I have little patience for Moonies and Hare Krishnas as well, but I tried to be polite. I observed that I didn't read Chinese and was told that the founder was a "very special" person. If I would just donate, I could have some books, and if I just looked at his picture I could understand his heart and the meaning of the text. Exit bungee. A couple of years later I had a very upset student come to me after one of their teachers jumped ship. It seems that right before the teacher left, apparently because her membership was about to come out, she took my (female) student up to her apartment, tried to get her drunk (do not try to get Mongolian girls drunk, it just doesn't work), started with the cult stuff, then moved on to porn and put the moves on her. As far as I can tell, they earn the cult designation, and if they're your source for information you may want to look for something more balanced.



Ah, more quality research. Kindly learn the difference between "from" and "living in". You'll find the answer in my response the the last person to float something like this. You do, however, provide a nice example of why stories like this keep getting spun the way they do. It means any dumbass claim about China should be accepted, because -- gosh -- anyone who would contradict it must be trying to garner favor.

Living anywhere does in no way shape or form mean you understand how it the internal Chinese politics work. Especially if you've lived there for such a long time, getting reliable Information about China from within is extremely difficult and dangerous.

Secondly falun gong is not a movement, it's an activity, it combines meditation with breathing exercises. It was a state sponsored thing before the Chinese government started putting these people in internment camps for no apparent reason. Just because you met some loonies abusing it for personal gain and making it something that it isn't don't mean the millions of people who got kidnapped and killed deserved it.

Last time I was in Mongolia there was nothing special about their girl's drinking habits. They got drunk just fine. And the men over there where very wary of foreigners picking up "their" gals just like in almost every place you can go on this earth.

[Faroth]

Which one? I haven’t seen them all and am curious. The Orville episode was enteraining so I’d love to see how Black Mirror told a similar story.

Nosedive
Ep 1 of Season 3

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Wait! NoNononononono! I just meant....

[oplawlz]

Ah, more quality research. Kindly learn the difference between "from" and "living in". You'll find the answer in my response the the last person to float something like this. You do, however, provide a nice example of why stories like this keep getting spun the way they do. It means any dumbass claim about China should be accepted, because -- gosh -- anyone who would contradict it must be trying to garner favor.

You are posting from China,at least according to you. Kindly learn the uses of words before trying to criticize them. When you have a country that openly censors it's citizens internet use those citizens claims on the internet lose credibility. No matter how much it hurts your feelings your claims vs that of free journalists simply have no weight.