Potentially gender-locked Alied Race

[Arkura]

They would never do this.

[Jack Black]

How so? Everyone has warriors, warriors are just fighters. In WC3 they had High Elven Footmen and Captains, those are Warriors. Spellbreakers are arguably Warriors too.

Its about class fantasy. Male BE is too fabulous for warriors.

[Big Mama]

I personally really dislike how people demand sexual dimorphism in this game (err... RPG/fantasy games in general)

The demand for "they don't have a female version!!!1!" Gives us stupid shit like Arakkoa with boobs, Mantid with boobs, Vulpera with boobs.

Even across other games, like Elder Scrolls for example, we're given Argonians with boobs, literally lizard people, and the devs even had to CREATE LORE for why they have boobs (Hist-Sacs, or something).

Not every race needs to have tits, why... why are people even invested in lizard tits, bird tits and monkey tits? (Lookin' at you, Hozen). Can you people just accept that non-mammalian humanoids shouldn't have mammaries? Has the furry community truly poisoned the Internet?

They can make Hozen an allied race and the only difference in male/female can be hairstyles, or jewelry, but even then I truly wouldn't care if they were the exact same model with just a difference voice or something in-game.

The target audience for female playable characters should be female gamers. Not sorry I said it.

I hope you do know that IRL all female monkeys have tits.



As all mammals do. Including foxes.

So it does make a total sense for vulpera female and also a hozen female (if they would or will get an ingame model) to have tits if you consider that both of them were not only based on mammals but also are anthropoid races.

However I can only agree this isn't something that all other races need. I can totally imagine an arakkoa, sethrak, even naga with no boobs and still be able to look feminine. But mentioning the argonians (also the khajiit) - these have a completely humanoid skelets. The only animal features are their bodies being covered with fur or scales and then their heads and other small details like tails and claws that don't really change the human skelet.

The arakkoa, sethrak but also vulpera (even if just with their sleeping animation) at least have mimics and gestures typical for the species that they were based on.

Again, I am not saying the boobs are that important. I think you can feminize the model in much more ways than just by adding massive tits and super long eyelashes (hey worgen females). But I think both arrakoa and vulpera are decent. Female hozen might be great too if not too over-feminized. The worgen female is way too cartoony and grotesque tho so hoping for updates even if I don't play one.

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Some of the Shadowguard Ethereals actually have clearly female voices. So they all look the same.

Oh, didn't hear those yet or didn't noticed. However I can't find them on wowhead... This way I can imagine them being gender fluid (I still like the genderless option better). I also think they are the only race that something like this would make sense or would be worth implementing.

[Kemsa]

If Ever happens it would be for the Alliance getting the SHIELDMAIDENS.... AND IF EVEN THIS HAPPENS Blizz would make the Vrykul Valarjar as a full faction for the Allliance. THis is why it will never happen, even for the Ogres we already see Female Ogres appearing in tales, drawings and being mentioned in the Game.

[Unholyground]

Yeeeeah... no.

First, you clearly have a high schooler's understanding of genetics. Second, you're talking to one of those "retarded" people. Third, you're taking a discussion of videogame genders and branching out to insult trans people in political discourse which is against forum rules.

So... Bye.

I am not insulting you per say, just the bandwagon dumb ass kids that think they know who they are before their decision making centers in their brains have fully developed which is around 25 years old and decide to pump hormones into them to solve the problem. I have done tons of research and reading on evolutionary biology, there is no secret in-between gender as far as genetics are concerned. Do what you want and identify how you want to but there is no neutral gender in humans.

[AcidicSyn]

Played FFXI before WoW. Didn't have a problem with the Mithra/Galka there, wouldn't have a problem with that kind of thing here.

[Techno-Druid]

I am not insulting you per say, just the bandwagon dumb ass kids that think they know who they are before their decision making centers in their brains have fully developed which is around 25 years old and decide to pump hormones into them to solve the problem. I have done tons of research and reading on evolutionary biology, there is no secret in-between gender as far as genetics are concerned. Do what you want and identify how you want to but there is no neutral gender in humans.

We're not talking about gender neutral humans, her comment was on genderless races and how they should be more androdnyous/gender neutral rather than just being a race of women or a race of men.

[Steelangel]

This thread makes me miss my Chua.

[Techno-Druid]

I hope you do know that IRL all female monkeys have tits.



As all mammals do. Including foxes.

So it does make a total sense for vulpera female and also a hozen female (if they would or will get an ingame model) to have tits if you consider that both of them were not only based on mammals but also are anthropoid races.

However I can only agree this isn't something that all other races need. I can totally imagine an arakkoa, sethrak, even naga with no boobs and still be able to look feminine. But mentioning the argonians (also the khajiit) - these have a completely humanoid skelets. The only animal features are their bodies being covered with fur or scales and then their heads and other small details like tails and claws that don't really change the human skelet.

The arakkoa, sethrak but also vulpera (even if just with their sleeping animation) at least have mimics and gestures typical for the species that they were based on.

Again, I am not saying the boobs are that important. I think you can feminize the model in much more ways than just by adding massive tits and super long eyelashes (hey worgen females). But I think both arrakoa and vulpera are decent. Female hozen might be great too if not too over-feminized. The worgen female is way too cartoony and grotesque tho so hoping for updates even if I don't play one.

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Oh, didn't hear those yet or didn't noticed. However I can't find them on wowhead... This way I can imagine them being gender fluid (I still like the genderless option better). I also think they are the only race that something like this would make sense or would be worth implementing.

I agree, non-mammalian races shouldn't have breasts or other features. It's a total copout in terms of creativity as well. If you're making a bird race, why not make the male larger and with colorful plumage? Really, it doesn't take that long to look up an animal on Wikipedia and read up on their sexual dimorphism.

[Segus1992]

Don't we already have this with the Blood Elves? I mean, they are all female, right? :-)

Haha! 2006 jokes! Also, Chuck Norris killed Mankrik's wife!

[Unholyground]

We're not talking about gender neutral humans, her comment was on genderless races and how they should be more androdnyous/gender neutral rather than just being a race of women or a race of men.

Well this is why I like the snake people, they hey next to no difference.

[Steampunkette]

We're not talking about gender neutral humans, her comment was on genderless races and how they should be more androdnyous/gender neutral rather than just being a race of women or a race of men.

I mean... yeah? But also no.

I was saying that a monogender race would suck if it were a binaristic gender (Like Shivarra or Ogres where they're all female or all male) because I can't stand to play dude characters (Very personal reason, I know!) and any race that is universally female is typically sexualized to an uncomfortable degree.

But even an Androgyn or Nonbinary gender race is basically impossible in gaming because our society is -so- hung up on binary ideology (Light/Dark, Fire/Ice, Air/Earth, all opposites even though Air and Earth are just different types of matter in a given state based on the relative temperature) that even our "Agender" races in fantasy are fairly clearly gendered through coding.

Whether it's a robot with a man's voice or a rock-monster that sounds like a little girl, we apply gender coding to pretty much -everything-. And that's not even getting into things like "Slap a bow on it and call it a girl" or whatever.

I don't trust Blizzard to make a genderless playable race. It can be labeled "Agender" but I feel like it'll still be either masculine or girly depending on the designer's mood at the time.

[Thagrynor]

Haha! 2006 jokes! Also, Chuck Norris killed Mankrik's wife!

I got inspired after reading some threads about Classic servers. :-) Of course, I also forgot to mention how all dwarves are dudes, so I only ended up going half way. /sad panda.

[McFuu]

What would your reaction be like, if Blizzard would introduce an Alied race with only one gender option? Do you think they could even consider this? What race would make sense as a gender-locked race and why? Would be it maleor female? It's random random hypothetical thought, but as we know everything can be possible in this game.

The only option I see for now there is Banshee race for Horde as female high-elf undead race, with hover body, floating hair, spiritual form and quite narrow class variety.

Maybe during vanilla, release time. But Blizzard moved away from that. Even Diablo III had genders for characters that per the lore established to that point, were only one gender.

I would think they could gender lock a class for lore reasons, like Diablo had, but I don't think they ever will.

[Tonyman64]

I mean... yeah? But also no.

I was saying that a monogender race would suck if it were a binaristic gender (Like Shivarra or Ogres where they're all female or all male) because I can't stand to play dude characters (Very personal reason, I know!) and any race that is universally female is typically sexualized to an uncomfortable degree.

But even an Androgyn or Nonbinary gender race is basically impossible in gaming because our society is -so- hung up on binary ideology (Light/Dark, Fire/Ice, Air/Earth, all opposites even though Air and Earth are just different types of matter in a given state based on the relative temperature) that even our "Agender" races in fantasy are fairly clearly gendered through coding.

Whether it's a robot with a man's voice or a rock-monster that sounds like a little girl, we apply gender coding to pretty much -everything-. And that's not even getting into things like "Slap a bow on it and call it a girl" or whatever.

I don't trust Blizzard to make a genderless playable race. It can be labeled "Agender" but I feel like it'll still be either masculine or girly depending on the designer's mood at the time.

Ya, non-binary erasure is pretty strongly coded into society. Having said that, I think Blizzard (or other companies) could do a better, even if not great, job of letting players create visibly non-binary characters through character customization. WoW doesn't have the level of customization you'd need, but a game like Fallout or something along those lines could if all the character sliders weren't locked to "male" or "female" characters.

[Deleted]

I mean... yeah? But also no.

I was saying that a monogender race would suck if it were a binaristic gender (Like Shivarra or Ogres where they're all female or all male) because I can't stand to play dude characters (Very personal reason, I know!) and any race that is universally female is typically sexualized to an uncomfortable degree.

But even an Androgyn or Nonbinary gender race is basically impossible in gaming because our society is -so- hung up on binary ideology (Light/Dark, Fire/Ice, Air/Earth, all opposites even though Air and Earth are just different types of matter in a given state based on the relative temperature) that even our "Agender" races in fantasy are fairly clearly gendered through coding.

Whether it's a robot with a man's voice or a rock-monster that sounds like a little girl, we apply gender coding to pretty much -everything-. And that's not even getting into things like "Slap a bow on it and call it a girl" or whatever.

I don't trust Blizzard to make a genderless playable race. It can be labeled "Agender" but I feel like it'll still be either masculine or girly depending on the designer's mood at the time.

This is because, as you noted, we're hard coded to recognise such things. There is a reason why truly genderless creatures creep people out. A human who had traits of both but is also 'barbie smooth' down there hits the Uncanny Valley, it is nearly human but something about it sets off the 'not human enough' creep factor in our brains. Its why such beings are often used as villains because they are something close to human but also the 'other'.

Personally this whole non-binary and the like really comes across as something very 'internety' to me. As mentioned regardless of what you identify as, you still have a birth gender, I can understand identifying as the opposite gender, that even happens in nature. It wasn't until very recently we started having people identify as non-binary or Agendered.

Infact it wasn't until the rise of the Alt-left in America that you actually saw these terms being used. Here in the UK you rarely, if ever, see people apply those terms to themselves, it is a very specifically American thing to do so. Infact the whole alt-left and alt-right thing is a uniquely American problem and this is coming from someone who is slightly socialist leaning thanks to my country also leaning that way thanks to things like the NHS (National Health Service), State Welfare, subsidized higher learning.

But then I also think the American Alt-left has taken Socialist and Communist ideals and co-opted them into ideals that are nowhere close to what those original political beliefs had. Not to mention they use the Hammer and Sickle symbol which is widely regards in a lot of Eastern Europe as a symbol of hatred thanks to the purges preformed by the Soviet Government on their people.

So yes, the whole gender issues and politics is largely an American thing...quite a lot of the rest of the world doesn't think that way. There is a reason why the term 'snowflake generation' has been gaining ground.

Anyway that is enough of my politics on a WoW forum.

In regards to at least the Sethrak, the Avatar of Serathaliss (or however it is spelt) is female Sethrak done right, it gives a hint of femininity without actually having the very obvious 'snektits' syndrome you see. I mean I wouldn't honestly complain if the playable female Sethrak had that, I'm willing to make sacrifices to see them be playable.

[tyrlaan]

What would your reaction be like, if Blizzard would introduce an Alied race with only one gender option? Do you think they could even consider this? What race would make sense as a gender-locked race and why? Would be it maleor female? It's random random hypothetical thought, but as we know everything can be possible in this game.

The only option I see for now there is Banshee race for Horde as female high-elf undead race, with hover body, floating hair, spiritual form and quite narrow class variety.

As long as it makes lore sense, it's fine with me. However, I can predict the following - if it's male gender-locked there will be no complaints. If it's female gender-locked, people will scream that Blizz is catering to "SJWs".

[Lex Icon]

As long as it makes lore sense, it's fine with me. However, I can predict the following - if it's male gender-locked there will be no complaints. If it's female gender-locked, people will scream that Blizz is catering to "SJWs".

ehm most of the time when it's gender locked in games it's like 90% female characters(because obviously that's what most folks play).
only time i've seen a complaint is when it's someone like me who's not really into playing female chars.

[maccajoe]

Have we ever seen female Ogre ?

That could also be some kind of "ungendered" species if they ever go into that direction, as for Drustvar (I know they probably won't be playable ever, that's just for the example), which could be only one "type" without proper gender.

Dont be jealous all those male belfs are getting all those sexy belf chicks.

[Thelxi]

No way they would do that. People would complain to no end.